Haven't watched it yet, but is this all in terms of extremely popular / mainstream music / pop hits / etc, and going by some kind of "popular" metric re: the radio or number of plays, or sales...
Haven't watched it yet, but is this all in terms of extremely popular / mainstream music / pop hits / etc, and going by some kind of "popular" metric re: the radio or number of plays, or sales numbers changing? I suppose determining if "new music is dying" is a very subjective thing unless all of that is explicitly defined in what terms it is meant. Aside from a handful of artists I can probably count on a hand or two, I'm not plugged in at all to "popular"/radio music these days so I may just be completely separated from that entire sphere of thinking / listening
The underground is thriving (metal underground especially, from albums to merch to shows to festivals etc etc) and there's so much good new music I can't even keep up with it all. I'm in a discord community that has to do with a stream where we find new metal gems weekly, and aside from the formal stream, we share new finds daily in the community, both metal and non. Plenty of these bands are unknown, sure, but plenty are known quantities releasing new stuff, on solid labels, and plenty of fans are buying it up, along with merch. There's stuff I still haven't listened to in full yet, that I've wishlisted/queued up on a weekly basis - the backlog is so long, that it "feels" to me like there's so much good new music that I'm drowning in it- it's more than I can even manage to experience
The video goes through this exactly. Talks about how radio play isn’t a thing anymore, that a monoculture isn’t present, and everyone is in their bubbles and niches.
The video goes through this exactly. Talks about how radio play isn’t a thing anymore, that a monoculture isn’t present, and everyone is in their bubbles and niches.
Ah well, yeah then I'd say that's true (and probably a good thing, actually). The title and thumbnail / feel of the video gave a very different impression but I should know better than to accept...
Ah well, yeah then I'd say that's true (and probably a good thing, actually). The title and thumbnail / feel of the video gave a very different impression but I should know better than to accept anything at face value these days. "Everyone's flopping" sure is a take, but I guess maybe its clickbait more than it is a real take
I mean, again the video goes into it, but its about how commercial underperformance is widespread now. I know there’s an aversion to talking about business with people who don’t care about...
I mean, again the video goes into it, but its about how commercial underperformance is widespread now.
I know there’s an aversion to talking about business with people who don’t care about “popular” music or pride themselves on listening to alternative products. But it’s an issue in the rock world as well. The music business is still a business.
Have they tried spreading their resources across more, smaller, more niche acts? It seems to me that the problem with most entertainment busiensses is that they've ruined their big products by...
Have they tried spreading their resources across more, smaller, more niche acts? It seems to me that the problem with most entertainment busiensses is that they've ruined their big products by trying to make them appeal to as wide of a market as possible. People don't want to spend their hard earned dollars on bland soulless slop.
I don’t see this as a particularly bad problem to have. If you know some basic music history, you would know that before recording and radio, some of the most popular music was folk music. Things...
I don’t see this as a particularly bad problem to have.
If you know some basic music history, you would know that before recording and radio, some of the most popular music was folk music. Things that were passed on from generation to generation and were regional.
This concept of a megahit or universal culture seems like it’s always been like this but that’s just because it’s been for our lifetimes. In reality, it was just a blip caused by the advent of inexpensive audio recording and duplication methods.
When I hear stories of the music industry suffering I can’t help but think of historical figures like John Phillip Sousa, a man who was the closest thing to a superstar before ubiquitous recordings. He really didn’t like records because he felt that it would decimate a culture of musicianship, cheapen the work of both players and composers, and discourage people to learn how to perform music. And for the most part he was right. How often are you going out to listen to live music? Theres a pretty good chance you had wanted to be a musician at one point in your youth, but you didn’t because it’s so difficult to make money in it.
Will the death of the musical monolith repair this historical damage? Not likely. But the spirit of music can’t be killed. It is a fundamental aspect of being human. The culture of music is changing and I see that as a good thing because it’s resulted in a true explosion of creativity and there are countless indie artists who are producing music with more passion than the big corporations could have ever mustered. We are living in good times; let’s not let the death of this norm bring us down.
Where’s everyone going for new music ? I found NTS radio recently. They seem to have a niche for everybody. I like to turn it on and find something new. Sometimes you find something awesome,...
Where’s everyone going for new music ? I found NTS radio recently. They seem to have a niche for everybody. I like to turn it on and find something new. Sometimes you find something awesome, sometimes it doesn’t resonate, but that’s part of the fun of treasure hunting. I found myself liking Norwegian folk music and I never would have in a million years even have known to look for it. My favorite channels usually originate out of London or Tokyo.
Curious about any discovery alternatives people are using.
Mostly private trackers for me. But if you like NTS, try radio garden. Unlimited access to worldwide radio at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I’ll just flick through and Shazam things I dig.
Mostly private trackers for me.
But if you like NTS, try radio garden. Unlimited access to worldwide radio at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I’ll just flick through and Shazam things I dig.
Some of the private trackers ends up being excellent for discovering new music because of the way they show related artists. I've used that as a discovery mechanism for finding new music for a...
Some of the private trackers ends up being excellent for discovering new music because of the way they show related artists. I've used that as a discovery mechanism for finding new music for a long time.
Ah very cool, thanks for the tip. I noticed other users recommended KEXP so I found I could access KEXP from radio garden. Having 8000 stations to choose from is amazing.
Ah very cool, thanks for the tip. I noticed other users recommended KEXP so I found I could access KEXP from radio garden. Having 8000 stations to choose from is amazing.
I listen to KEXP which transmits in Seattle and retransmits in San Francisco as KEXC. It can also be listened to via a web browser or through their app (I recently found out I can even get their...
I listen to KEXP which transmits in Seattle and retransmits in San Francisco as KEXC. It can also be listened to via a web browser or through their app (I recently found out I can even get their app on my Apple tv). They play a diverse range of music. It doesn’t always resonate with me, but I’ve found all kinds of music I never would have heard that does through them. They have real DJs playing music in real time without being beholden to commercial interests.
Byte.fm is a german ad-free music radio financed by listeners. Their program consists of many shows covering different genres|themes or 'music documentary'-like features. Pretty great.
Where’s everyone going for new music ?
Byte.fm is a german ad-free music radio financed by listeners.
Their program consists of many shows covering different genres|themes or 'music documentary'-like features. Pretty great.
Mostly PBS sometimes RRR. Both are Melbourne community radio stations, both steam live and shows on demand. If you can't find a show that suits your taste you probably don't like music that much....
Both are Melbourne community radio stations, both steam live and shows on demand. If you can't find a show that suits your taste you probably don't like music that much.
Melbourne has a very healthy live music scene and a very healthy radio scene. I'm not sure which came first but they are two legs of a three legged stool, the other leg being the venues.
I used to use Last.fm a lot. These days I mostly go by networks, e.g. bases like "what other bands did this pianist play in?" and then preview stuff on YouTube.
I used to use Last.fm a lot. These days I mostly go by networks, e.g. bases like "what other bands did this pianist play in?" and then preview stuff on YouTube.
Really interesting video about what’s seen as a widespread issue. I brought this up last year but the problem has gotten worse in just the past few months. With the current releases from big names...
Really interesting video about what’s seen as a widespread issue.
I brought this up last year but the problem has gotten worse in just the past few months. With the current releases from big names also not doing super well.
Haven't watched it yet, but is this all in terms of extremely popular / mainstream music / pop hits / etc, and going by some kind of "popular" metric re: the radio or number of plays, or sales numbers changing? I suppose determining if "new music is dying" is a very subjective thing unless all of that is explicitly defined in what terms it is meant. Aside from a handful of artists I can probably count on a hand or two, I'm not plugged in at all to "popular"/radio music these days so I may just be completely separated from that entire sphere of thinking / listening
The underground is thriving (metal underground especially, from albums to merch to shows to festivals etc etc) and there's so much good new music I can't even keep up with it all. I'm in a discord community that has to do with a stream where we find new metal gems weekly, and aside from the formal stream, we share new finds daily in the community, both metal and non. Plenty of these bands are unknown, sure, but plenty are known quantities releasing new stuff, on solid labels, and plenty of fans are buying it up, along with merch. There's stuff I still haven't listened to in full yet, that I've wishlisted/queued up on a weekly basis - the backlog is so long, that it "feels" to me like there's so much good new music that I'm drowning in it- it's more than I can even manage to experience
The video goes through this exactly. Talks about how radio play isn’t a thing anymore, that a monoculture isn’t present, and everyone is in their bubbles and niches.
Ah well, yeah then I'd say that's true (and probably a good thing, actually). The title and thumbnail / feel of the video gave a very different impression but I should know better than to accept anything at face value these days. "Everyone's flopping" sure is a take, but I guess maybe its clickbait more than it is a real take
I mean, again the video goes into it, but its about how commercial underperformance is widespread now.
I know there’s an aversion to talking about business with people who don’t care about “popular” music or pride themselves on listening to alternative products. But it’s an issue in the rock world as well. The music business is still a business.
Have they tried spreading their resources across more, smaller, more niche acts? It seems to me that the problem with most entertainment busiensses is that they've ruined their big products by trying to make them appeal to as wide of a market as possible. People don't want to spend their hard earned dollars on bland soulless slop.
Hey, so.... gotta link to that metal discord?
I don’t see this as a particularly bad problem to have.
If you know some basic music history, you would know that before recording and radio, some of the most popular music was folk music. Things that were passed on from generation to generation and were regional.
This concept of a megahit or universal culture seems like it’s always been like this but that’s just because it’s been for our lifetimes. In reality, it was just a blip caused by the advent of inexpensive audio recording and duplication methods.
When I hear stories of the music industry suffering I can’t help but think of historical figures like John Phillip Sousa, a man who was the closest thing to a superstar before ubiquitous recordings. He really didn’t like records because he felt that it would decimate a culture of musicianship, cheapen the work of both players and composers, and discourage people to learn how to perform music. And for the most part he was right. How often are you going out to listen to live music? Theres a pretty good chance you had wanted to be a musician at one point in your youth, but you didn’t because it’s so difficult to make money in it.
Will the death of the musical monolith repair this historical damage? Not likely. But the spirit of music can’t be killed. It is a fundamental aspect of being human. The culture of music is changing and I see that as a good thing because it’s resulted in a true explosion of creativity and there are countless indie artists who are producing music with more passion than the big corporations could have ever mustered. We are living in good times; let’s not let the death of this norm bring us down.
Where’s everyone going for new music ? I found NTS radio recently. They seem to have a niche for everybody. I like to turn it on and find something new. Sometimes you find something awesome, sometimes it doesn’t resonate, but that’s part of the fun of treasure hunting. I found myself liking Norwegian folk music and I never would have in a million years even have known to look for it. My favorite channels usually originate out of London or Tokyo.
Curious about any discovery alternatives people are using.
Mostly private trackers for me.
But if you like NTS, try radio garden. Unlimited access to worldwide radio at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I’ll just flick through and Shazam things I dig.
Some of the private trackers ends up being excellent for discovering new music because of the way they show related artists. I've used that as a discovery mechanism for finding new music for a long time.
Ah very cool, thanks for the tip. I noticed other users recommended KEXP so I found I could access KEXP from radio garden. Having 8000 stations to choose from is amazing.
I listen to KEXP which transmits in Seattle and retransmits in San Francisco as KEXC. It can also be listened to via a web browser or through their app (I recently found out I can even get their app on my Apple tv). They play a diverse range of music. It doesn’t always resonate with me, but I’ve found all kinds of music I never would have heard that does through them. They have real DJs playing music in real time without being beholden to commercial interests.
I love KEXP, both for discovering new music and for looking up a band I just got into so I can watch their performance. Cheryl Waters is my queen.
John in the morning. “You are not alone.”
Awesome, thank you very much ! Another user commented on radio garden and I found I can access kexp through it also
Tiny desk and KEXP
Byte.fm is a german ad-free music radio financed by listeners.
Their program consists of many shows covering different genres|themes or 'music documentary'-like features. Pretty great.
Mostly PBS sometimes RRR.
Both are Melbourne community radio stations, both steam live and shows on demand. If you can't find a show that suits your taste you probably don't like music that much.
Melbourne has a very healthy live music scene and a very healthy radio scene. I'm not sure which came first but they are two legs of a three legged stool, the other leg being the venues.
I used to use Last.fm a lot. These days I mostly go by networks, e.g. bases like "what other bands did this pianist play in?" and then preview stuff on YouTube.
Really interesting video about what’s seen as a widespread issue.
I brought this up last year but the problem has gotten worse in just the past few months. With the current releases from big names also not doing super well.