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China’s Xi Jinping asks Vladimir Putin to negotiate with Ukraine

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    “China is consistent in the fundamental position on respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries and abiding by the purposes and principles of the U.N. Charter,” Xi said.

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      Adys
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      Make me vomit some more, why don’t you. I guess don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. China pushing against the war in any way is a good thing.

      Make me vomit some more, why don’t you.

      I guess don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. China pushing against the war in any way is a good thing.

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      1. knocklessmonster
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        That's essentially my opinion. I'd also bet that unlike Russia they've considered that there are a large number of reasons to 1) not invade a neighboring country, and 2) speak out about a business...

        That's essentially my opinion.

        I'd also bet that unlike Russia they've considered that there are a large number of reasons to 1) not invade a neighboring country, and 2) speak out about a business partner going to war.

        10 votes
      2. SunSpotter
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        China can only benefit from taking a position like this in a war that it's completely removed from. Obviously it's hypocrisy, but it feeds into the propaganda that China is a peaceful nation which...

        China can only benefit from taking a position like this in a war that it's completely removed from. Obviously it's hypocrisy, but it feeds into the propaganda that China is a peaceful nation which only acts to retake land rightfully belonging to it.

        Also goes without saying that China doesn't want one of its neighbors being excluded from the global market. Even though Russia makes up a surprisingly small portion of Chinas import/export market, it's still about 2-3%, which is enough to cause billions in damage. And there are larger implications for other Chinese neighbors like Mongolia and Kazakhstan which rely on Russia for closer to 25% of their import market.

        4 votes
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      Nivlak
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      coughs in Taiwanese

      coughs in Taiwanese

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        NaraVara
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        China literally attempted to invade India in 2020 and everyone pretends it never happened.

        China literally attempted to invade India in 2020 and everyone pretends it never happened.

        4 votes
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          Thales
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          Are you referring to the "2020–2022 China–India skirmishes"? I don't know much about the conflict myself, but there's an interesting note in the Wikipedia article that touches on why the struggle...

          Are you referring to the "2020–2022 China–India skirmishes"?

          I don't know much about the conflict myself, but there's an interesting note in the Wikipedia article that touches on why the struggle may have have been largely forgotten and potentially misunderstood internationally:

          In June, media reports started emerging of India losing the information and perception war to China.[583][584][585] China's information warfare focused on trying to portray India as the aggressor and at the same time used the state media to repeatedly emphasize China's economic and military power.[586][587] An article in the New Indian Express on 17 July 2020 stated that Indian soldiers felt that "India, with its muted approach, allowed China to dominate the narrative."[585] Pakistan has helped China in the information war against India.[588]

          Edit: to be clear, I can't say if this is accurate or not--as I said, I don't know much about the situation--but I thought it was an interesting point in support of your observation.

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          1. NaraVara
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            That was part of the messaging war, but the USA and European governments knew better. They just didn’t bother voicing their displeasure because China has such an economic hold over so many of...

            That was part of the messaging war, but the USA and European governments knew better. They just didn’t bother voicing their displeasure because China has such an economic hold over so many of them.

            The Kenyan and Ghanaian ambassadors pointed out this double standard during the UNSC meeting. They said that the “rules based international order” that the United States was waxing poetic about functionally does not exist for the global south.

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        teaearlgraycold
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        I think you mean "Confused China"

        I think you mean "Confused China"

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        1. knocklessmonster
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          Xi meant "West Taiwan is consistent in the fundamental position on respecting..."

          Xi meant "West Taiwan is consistent in the fundamental position on respecting..."

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    3. skybrian
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      I'm reminded of that Napoleon quote about "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." I think you might not want to interrupt them when they are being helpful, either? While it's...

      I'm reminded of that Napoleon quote about "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." I think you might not want to interrupt them when they are being helpful, either?

      While it's inconsistent with many other things they've done, I think it's helpful that China recognizes the sovereignty of Ukraine and has taken a side on this. This is good news.

      Sometimes hypocrisy is obvious but unimportant.

      9 votes