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2020 Election News and Information (Week of October 25th)

A thread you can easily ignore

A new week a new thread

As the pace and the quantity of information that his coming out of the election increases. Instead of creating a new post for everything, or not posting things because it is a smaller item, please feel free to post here.
Feel free to break out any information posted here into its own thread if the discussion warrants it.

Major news can/should be broken out into its own topic. (use your own discretion)

Thank goodness this is almost over

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  1. [2]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Brett Kavanaugh Signals He’s Open to Stealing the Election for Trump Direct link to the PDF of the SCOTUS order in question: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20a66_b07d.pdf Kavanaugh...

    Brett Kavanaugh Signals He’s Open to Stealing the Election for Trump

    Direct link to the PDF of the SCOTUS order in question: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20a66_b07d.pdf

    Kavanaugh pretty clearly has caught the brainworms from watching too much Fox News:

    Those States want to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election. And those States also want to be able to definitively announce the results of the election on election night, or as soon as possible thereafter.

    He's worried that ballots coming in after election day may "flip the results". But...there are no results to be "flipped" until all the valid ballots are counted. Election day "results" are simply forecasts from the media based on exit polls & early returns.

    Also showcases how Kavanaugh's "originalism" is complete bullshit and selectively applied. The founding fathers would have had absolutely zero expectation that the results of the election would be known on election night, or even the morning after. Technology at the time simply didn't allow it.

    19 votes
  2. [8]
    unknown user
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    Who else is preparing themselves for a Trump win, either via stacked courts and lawyers, or just an outright "surprise" win on election night? Apologies for the negative tone, but I've kind of...

    Who else is preparing themselves for a Trump win, either via stacked courts and lawyers, or just an outright "surprise" win on election night? Apologies for the negative tone, but I've kind of lost so much faith in the United States' to actually elect proper leaders that I'm just assuming Trump will lose the popular vote and win the electoral college again.

    And if Biden does win, I guess I'll be able to whisper a relieved "thank fuck" and move on with my day.

    13 votes
    1. kfwyre
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      I'm bracing myself for it. I don't think he stands a chance of winning legitimately, but there has been a lot of ongoing maneuvering to lay the groundwork for tilting things in his favor. The...

      I'm bracing myself for it. I don't think he stands a chance of winning legitimately, but there has been a lot of ongoing maneuvering to lay the groundwork for tilting things in his favor. The Republican Party has clearly doubled down on exclusionary tactics, which has the self-defeating effect of limiting their voting base, so they've done a lot to try to do more with less votes. I hope their efforts are unsuccessful.

      It was weeks ago that both Trump and Graham were saying they anticipated this election would be decided by the Supreme Court, which is a very odd thing to say in advance of an election, especially that far out. It makes Barrett's nomination rush all the more foreboding. Just what are they planning? Plus, I firmly believe that even in the event of Biden landslide, Trump will not concede. He's got a lot to lose, and, based on what we know about his character, I don't believe he's going to give it up for anything. I think things are about to get very ugly in America for a while.

      13 votes
    2. gpl
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      I am well aware it is a possibility, but I almost won't allow myself to imagine it at this point. If it happens, it happens, and it's a bridge we'll cross then. I am optimistic though. Biden's...

      I am well aware it is a possibility, but I almost won't allow myself to imagine it at this point. If it happens, it happens, and it's a bridge we'll cross then.

      I am optimistic though. Biden's lead has been stronger and more stable than Hillary's ever was, and she just barely lost. Turnout will likely be at a record high, and while both parties are enthusiastic, I imagine it will help Biden more. Democrats have already turned in millions of early ballots, and Democrats requesting early ballots are far more likely to turn them in early or to drop them off at ballot collection points than are Republicans. This means that although Democrats are heavily voting by mail, it does not mean all of their ballots are in danger from whatever legal shenanigans the GOP tries to play. It also means that Democrats have a nice amount of guaranteed votes, safe from whatever unexpected things may happen on election day (virus surges, bad weather, etc).

      This coupled with the strong results from the 2018 midterms makes me optimistic. I don't think Trump is a good politician, and while I believe he could steal this election I think that will only be doable if things are truly truly close. I don't think they will be. I hope I'm not being naive by being optimistic.

      5 votes
    3. [5]
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      1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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        In a fucked-up way, Trump losing may be the one and only silver lining of the pandemic being this bad in the US. In a parallel universe where covid never happened, or happened but was relatively...

        In a fucked-up way, Trump losing may be the one and only silver lining of the pandemic being this bad in the US.

        In a parallel universe where covid never happened, or happened but was relatively minor and contained, I think it's totally plausible Trump could be cruising to re-election, or at least in a 50/50 tossup with Biden. And if Trump lost narrowly, they've clearly put the machinery in place to try to ratfuck the election, 2000-style.

        Instead, the pandemic has exposed all the worst qualities of his presidency, in a way that can't be ignored or dismissed as fake news (though that certainly hasn't stopped them from trying). It's looking pretty likely that Biden may win in a ratfuck-proof landslide, which I don't think would be the case in that covid-free alternate reality.

        8 votes
      2. [3]
        skybrian
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        I can understand being nervous about this, but this seems defeatist. It’s not like Trump always succeeds at what he sets out to do.

        I can understand being nervous about this, but this seems defeatist. It’s not like Trump always succeeds at what he sets out to do.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
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          1. skybrian
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            I think that still adds up to uncertainty, not confidence that Trump will win.

            I think that still adds up to uncertainty, not confidence that Trump will win.

            3 votes
    4. Ranger
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      This I am nervous for. The push for ACB and Kavanaugh's recent opinion scare me.

      This I am nervous for. The push for ACB and Kavanaugh's recent opinion scare me.

      4 votes
  3. [2]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Thousands attend President Trump's rally in Omaha It...did not go well. A selection of quotes from an unofficial Omaha police scanner on Twitter provides a horrifying liveblog. All times in local...

    Thousands attend President Trump's rally in Omaha

    It...did not go well. A selection of quotes from an unofficial Omaha police scanner on Twitter provides a horrifying liveblog. All times in local Omaha time.

    [6:03pm] Officers reporting around large numbers of cars in line to park and room is quickly running out.

    [6:19pm] The event is at capacity. Vehicles are being turned away.

    [6:23pm] Cell service has come to a grinding halt and is hindering police communications.

    [8:12pm] Air Force 1 has touched down.

    [8:16pm] Officers reporting 4 to 5 thousand people still in the line to get inside.

    [8:54pm] People still trying to get in. Event has concluded.

    [9:14pm] Busses are shipping people out. Another medic needed for another seizure. Large groups are walking to their cars in the street.

    [9:26pm] Air Force 1 is wheels up and has departed.

    [9:54pm] Medics treating numerous parties with medical issues as they are walking out.

    [10:13pm] Medics and OFD command being released from the scene. Officers requesting incident command find a warehouse or somewhere for people to stop to warm up who are walking their cars.

    [10:44pm] Officers are giving elderly attendees who are struggling in the cold rides closer to their vehicles.

    [10:48pm] OPD taking charge of this shit show. Numerous MAT buses have been requested and are enroute.

    [10:53pm] A couple to a few thousand still need to leave the venue. Roaming officers are checking for cold people walking. Medics treating a couple other people with cold feet.

    [10:55pm] Douglas County 911 Northeast Precinct Dispatch advising they are now receiving calls from the public who say the elderly need assistance.

    [10:56pm] 20 empty busses are stuck in the South Economy parking lot.

    [11:04pm] One officer advising 8 to 9 elderly people who are struggling. Seperate officer advising they have located an elderly party who is frozen cold unable to move with an altered mental status.

    [11:08pm] Another officer advising they have an elderly male down.

    [11:13pm] Busses streaming into the area now.

    [11:16pm] Additional officers being deployed to parking lots to assist with pushing out empty busses. Traffic Unit officers are turning away the additional assistance because they are on a different channel and are unaware of the request for additional assistance.

    [11:23pm] 8 to 10 busses are stuck in the South lot.

    [11:33pm] For reference, it's around a 3.7 mile walk from TAC Air to the South Economy parking lot at Eppley.

    [11:35pm] #MedicalBranch of #TACAirIC reports at least 30 patient contacts and 7 patient transports to hospital.

    [11:49pm] Officers picking up people wandering in the cold unable to locate their vehicles and are taking them to various parking lots.

    [11:53pm] Officers who do not have an assignment are going around to parking lots to pick up stranded people and attempt to locate their vehicles. Airport maintenance vehicles also assisting.

    [12:01am] Lines of chartered busses and a few city busses continue to drop off people. The majority of people have been picked up from the rally site. Most crowds are now in various parking lots.

    [12:06am] For anyone following who is unfamiliar with Omaha. Eppley Airfield sits on the Northeast corner of Omaha and is separated from Iowa by the Missouri River. TAC Air is on the East side of Eppley Airfield. The parking is mostly on the West.

    Low temperature tonight in Omaha is 30 F / -1 C.

    11 votes
  4. [4]
    MonkeyPants
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    Right-wing hoaxers Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman hit with felony charges in Cleveland tied to multi-state voter robocall campaign
    9 votes
    1. [3]
      TheRtRevKaiser
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      It's amazing that they had not been charged with something before now.

      It's amazing that they had not been charged with something before now.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        MonkeyPants
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        Wohl and Burkman already face similar criminal charges in Michigan and a civil lawsuit in New York City connected to the same scheme. They are free on a $100,000 bond after pleading not guilty to charges in that state.

        1 vote
        1. TheRtRevKaiser
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          Right, I more meant that it was amazing they hadn't been charged before this whole robo-call farce.

          Right, I more meant that it was amazing they hadn't been charged before this whole robo-call farce.

          3 votes
  5. [2]
    petrichor
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    In Texas, early voters - mostly in person - have cast over 95% of the amount of total votes cast in 2016. We are still five days away from the election.
    9 votes
    1. [2]
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      1. Omnicrola
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        That's how I interpret the labeling on that link as well. Which is pretty great. If Texas flips, that's pretty much game over for Trump.

        that means that, in Texas, more people have early-voted so far than voted at all in 2016?

        That's how I interpret the labeling on that link as well. Which is pretty great. If Texas flips, that's pretty much game over for Trump.

        4 votes
  6. Autoxidation
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    Probably wouldn't hurt to document what the predictions are by day given we're only 8 days out now. According to the 538 election forecast, at this time, Biden is favored to win the election 87%...

    Probably wouldn't hurt to document what the predictions are by day given we're only 8 days out now.

    According to the 538 election forecast, at this time, Biden is favored to win the election 87% to Trump's 12%. (1% chance of a tie).

    8 votes
  7. [2]
    Omnicrola
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    In more positive news: 62 Million And Counting: Americans Are Breaking Early Voting Records Turnout overall is up, my favorite statistic is the change in early votes cast by "young" voters (18 -...

    In more positive news: 62 Million And Counting: Americans Are Breaking Early Voting Records

    Turnout overall is up, my favorite statistic is the change in early votes cast by "young" voters (18 - 29) in contrast to 2016. Here in Michigan, it has changed from 7,500 in 2016 to 145,000 and there is still a week to go.

    8 votes
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      1. Omnicrola
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        Too early to tell I think. We probably won't know the answer to that question until next week when we see who shows up to vote in person.

        Too early to tell I think. We probably won't know the answer to that question until next week when we see who shows up to vote in person.

        2 votes
  8. Omnicrola
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    Podcast from The Journal : Inside One NBA Team's Decision to Turn It's Arena Into a Poll Site Wed Oct 21 2020 15 minutes Really good segment on how they utilized their experience in managing the...

    Podcast from The Journal :
    Inside One NBA Team's Decision to Turn It's Arena Into a Poll Site
    Wed Oct 21 2020
    15 minutes

    The Atlanta Hawks decided to turn their basketball arena into a voting site in response to the George Floyd protests. CEO Steve Koonin talks about what went into that transformation and what it means for a private company to get involved in an election.

    Really good segment on how they utilized their experience in managing the logistics of huge crowds to setup a polling place that could accommodate thousands of voters and still take the necessary pandemic precautions. The most positive part to me was the mention that it's not only this team that's doing this, they're actually having a friendly competition with some other teams to see who gets the highest percentage voter turnout. And they expect to probably do this again in future elections.

    6 votes
  9. [2]
    Deimos
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    I thought this was a really good read: A conversation with Masha Gessen on how to prevent "autocratic breakthrough."
    6 votes
    1. RapidEyeMovement
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      The far right has spent years preparing for this fight. I don't think we are prepared for this on the left.

      The far right has spent years preparing for this fight. I don't think we are prepared for this on the left.

      2 votes
  10. RapidEyeMovement
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    Trafalgar Group on how they poll differently This is that weird polling place that keeps showing Trump tied or leading in the swing states, this explains how they do polling 'differently'. more in...

    Trafalgar Group on how they poll differently
    This is that weird polling place that keeps showing Trump tied or leading in the swing states, this explains how they do polling 'differently'.

    Much of Trafalgar’s approach focuses on accounting for the so-called social-desirability bias. As Cahaly puts it, that’s when a respondent gives you “an answer that is designed to make the person asking the question be less judgmental of the person who answers it.
    Trafalgar tries to avoid so-called weighting to get the partisan mix of respondents right. A traditional pollster might want to get, say, 35 percent Republicans to have a balanced survey, but he comes up short because Republicans are less likely to respond. If only, say, 22 percent of Republicans answer, they are given additional weight to make up for the shortfall.

    more in the article

    5 votes
  11. [4]
    RapidEyeMovement
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    My Resignation From The Intercept - Glenn Greenwald twitter link I respect Glenn Greenwald and have been following him since the Snowden leaks. While his world view and mine have not always...

    My Resignation From The Intercept - Glenn Greenwald

    My Resignation From The Intercept
    The same trends of repression, censorship and ideological homogeneity plaguing the national press generally have engulfed the media outlet I co-founded, culminating in censorship of my own articles.

    twitter link

    I respect Glenn Greenwald and have been following him since the Snowden leaks. While his world view and mine have not always aligned I respected his reporting and his fearlessness in the face of power. Also he can be a real prick. His reporting on the Brazilian political landscape, his home country, has been phenomenal. And this is a HUGE loss for The Intercept.

    man, this is damning

    The final, precipitating cause is that The Intercept’s editors, in violation of my contractual right of editorial freedom, censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all New-York-based Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression.
    (....)I had no objection to their disagreement with my views of what this Biden evidence shows: as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right, the way any confident and healthy media outlet would. But modern media outlets do not air dissent; they quash it. So censorship of my article, rather than engagement with it, was the path these Biden-supporting editors chose.

    if someone else believes this needs its own thread please post it, I am on the fence myself

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      spit-evil-olive-tips
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      Response from the remaining editors of the Intercept Shots fired: Reading between the lines, it sounded like he wanted to publish something related to the ongoing "Hunter Biden's laptop" hoax...

      Response from the remaining editors of the Intercept

      Glenn Greenwald's decision to resign from The Intercept stems from a fundamental disagreement over the role of editors in the production of journalism and the nature of censorship. Glenn demands the absolute right to determine what he will publish. He believes that anyone who disagrees with him is corrupt, and anyone who presumes to edit his words is a censor. Thus, the preposterous charge that The Intercept’s editors and reporters, with the lone, noble exception of Glenn Greenwald, have betrayed our mission to engage in fearless investigative journalism because we have been seduced by the lure of a Joe Biden presidency. A brief glance at the stories The Intercept has published on Biden will suffice to refute those claims.

      Shots fired:

      We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be

      Reading between the lines, it sounded like he wanted to publish something related to the ongoing "Hunter Biden's laptop" hoax story, the other editors disagreed, and Greenwald threw a fit. It sounds like he believes that as one of the founders of the website he's entitled to publish stories without needing oversight / approval from the other founders.

      9 votes
      1. RapidEyeMovement
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        With respect it sounds like that was in his contract. Which probably means it will lead to litigation. Over the years anything that that disrupts the US hegemony I have come to question Glenn's...

        With respect it sounds like that was in his contract. Which probably means it will lead to litigation.

        It sounds like he believes that as one of the founders of the website he's entitled to publish stories without needing oversight / approval from the other founders.

        Over the years anything that that disrupts the US hegemony I have come to question Glenn's motives. So it makes sense that he would throw a fit about this.

        1 vote
    2. RapidEyeMovement
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      A response from Betsy Reed, Editor-in-Chief of The Intercept. Twitter Link w/ a little color ;) Note: if you follow Glenn Greenwald you can see a lot her critiques ringing true.

      A response from Betsy Reed, Editor-in-Chief of The Intercept.

      Twitter Link w/ a little color ;)

      Note: if you follow Glenn Greenwald you can see a lot her critiques ringing true.

      3 votes
  12. [4]
    MonkeyPants
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    Here's what Brett Kavanaugh said on CNN about Bush v. Gore in 2000 Basically, the supreme court can override state courts regarding state laws because only the supreme court knows what the...

    Here's what Brett Kavanaugh said on CNN about Bush v. Gore in 2000

    Basically, the supreme court can override state courts regarding state laws because only the supreme court knows what the original intent of the state legislature was...?

    4 votes
    1. [3]
      MonkeyPants
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      The radical implications of the Supreme Court’s new ruling on Wisconsin mail-in ballots

      The radical implications of the Supreme Court’s new ruling on Wisconsin mail-in ballots

      For more than a century, the Supreme Court has understood the word “legislature,” as it is used in the relevant constitutional provisions, to refer to whatever the valid lawmaking process is within that state. As the Court held most recently in Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission (2015), the word “legislature” should be read “in accordance with the State’s prescriptions for lawmaking, which may include the referendum and the Governor’s veto.”

      But Gorsuch’s opinion suggests that this longstanding rule may soon be gone (again, as he put it, “state legislatures — not federal judges, not state judges, not state governors, not other state officials — bear primary responsibility for setting election rules”). State supreme courts may lose their power to enforce state constitutions that protect voting rights. State governors may lose their power to veto election laws, which would be a truly astonishing development when you consider that every state needs to draw new legislative maps in 2021, and many states have Republican legislatures and Democratic governors.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        MonkeyPants
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        Sorry to keep harping on about this, but I think this is really big enough to become it's own post. The implications far exceed this election. Why critics find Kavanaugh's Wisconsin mail-in voting...

        Sorry to keep harping on about this, but I think this is really big enough to become it's own post. The implications far exceed this election.

        Why critics find Kavanaugh's Wisconsin mail-in voting opinion 'sloppy'

        he confused receipt and submission deadlines while making his point. The Wisconsin case involved extending the former in light of U.S. Postal Service slowdowns, but Kavanaugh's analogies appeared more congruent with the latter. This analogy makes no sense. The WI deadline is receipt deadline, not a submission deadline. The in-person voting equivalent is if someone showed up at their polling place before it officially closed but — due to long lines — didn’t get to cast their ballot until after midnight.

        Kavanaugh was also criticized for his stance that the deadline should remain intact so that the "apparent winner" on the morning after election night doesn't have their victory overturned by late-arriving ballots, which could spark allegations of a "rigged election." In response, observers argued that declaring an election winner on Nov. 3 isn't necessary and that it's reasonable for close races in states to remain uncalled.

        analysts called Kavanaugh out for apparently misreading a source that influenced his decision.

        Three of the nine justices will have participated in litigation related to the only presidential contest to be decided by the high court

        6 votes
        1. Omnicrola
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          Agreed. I don't remember any of the current or previous justices making news in this fashion. Specifically, a commentary on current news events. The idea that justices are making anything even...

          Sorry to keep harping on about this, but I think this is really big enough to become it's own post. The implications far exceed this election.

          Agreed. I don't remember any of the current or previous justices making news in this fashion. Specifically, a commentary on current news events. The idea that justices are making anything even closely resembling a hasty decision is appalling. It's one thing to do deep research, and come to a conclusion I don't agree with. Then there can be a debate about the details. This opinion just reeks of pushing a personal agenda, influenced by the 24hr news media.

          5 votes
  13. RapidEyeMovement
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    Hell, no Opinion piece written by a Texas conservative. Read into this what you will…

    Hell, no Opinion piece written by a Texas conservative. Read into this what you will…

    The health-care plan that is just about to be released is the Republicans’ supermodel girlfriend in Canada.

    3 votes
  14. Omnicrola
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    From reddit: President Trump’s campaign website hacked Spoiler, it was hacked for all of 5 minutes before they restored it. The script kiddies who achieved this posted a "warning" that they had...

    From reddit: President Trump’s campaign website hacked

    Spoiler, it was hacked for all of 5 minutes before they restored it. The script kiddies who achieved this posted a "warning" that they had hacked many devices, had much classified information, and posted two codes allowing people to "vote" on if they should release it or not (they're apparently Monero wallet IDs according to the very reliable reddit comments section). The hackers also claim to have proof that Trump is secretly behind the origin of COVID19. #eyeroll

    3 votes
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    RapidEyeMovement
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    twitter *JPMORGAN, GOLDMAN ORDER `CODE FREEZES': THE INFORMATION JPMorgan and Goldman will both halt software updates to the retail and investment banking systems their customers use to manage...

    WALMART PULLS GUNS, AMMO DISPLAYS IN U.S. STORES, CITING CIVIL UNREST - WSJ
    twitter

    *JPMORGAN, GOLDMAN ORDER `CODE FREEZES': THE INFORMATION JPMorgan and Goldman will both halt software updates to the retail and investment banking systems their customers use to manage accounts

    3 votes
    1. RapidEyeMovement
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      Walmart says they have made the decision to begin returning firearms and ammunition to the sales floor today Well that was a roller coaster twitter

      Walmart says they have made the decision to begin returning firearms and ammunition to the sales floor today

      Well that was a roller coaster

      Walmart pulls guns, ammo displays in u.s. Stores, citing civil unrest - WSJ

      U.S. Gun stocks down after Walmart removes firearms

      Walmart says they have made the decision to begin returning firearms and ammunition to the sales floor today

      twitter

      1 vote
  16. Omnicrola
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    Michigan Judge Blocks Ban On Open Carry Of Guns At Polls On Election Day So seems like it's because they didn't follow the proper procedure? So..... try it again??

    Michigan Judge Blocks Ban On Open Carry Of Guns At Polls On Election Day

    "The main issue as the Court sees it is the allegation that the directive violates the [Administrative Procedures Act] because it is a rule that was not promulgated through the act's procedures," Murray wrote. "And, a rule not promulgated under the APA is invalid."

    So seems like it's because they didn't follow the proper procedure? So..... try it again??

    2 votes