there are MANY MANY studies that show that eating red meat leads to cancer, high cholesterol, diabetes. There is also the climate change aspect. Animal ag is responsible for more greenhouse gases...
there are MANY MANY studies that show that eating red meat leads to cancer, high cholesterol, diabetes.
There is also the climate change aspect. Animal ag is responsible for more greenhouse gases than ALL of the transport industries combined.
Animal agriculture is a cancer on the Earth, basically is what i'm saying
Healthline had an article discussing this and other aspects of eating red meat, Is Red Meat Bad for You, or Good? An Objective Look. It's not quite as clear as you're making out to be. Many of the...
there are MANY MANY studies that show that eating red meat leads to cancer, high cholesterol, diabetes.
Healthline had an article discussing this and other aspects of eating red meat, Is Red Meat Bad for You, or Good? An Objective Look. It's not quite as clear as you're making out to be. Many of the studies are observational, so can only describe correlation rather than causation. Further, many are able to show a strong correlation with processed red meat, but not unprocessed red meat.
We now know that processed red meat does cause cancer. We are as certain as we can be that this is true. We think red meat is probably carcinogenic. The evidence isn't as strong for red meat as it...
We now know that processed red meat does cause cancer. We are as certain as we can be that this is true. We think red meat is probably carcinogenic. The evidence isn't as strong for red meat as it is for processed red meat. But some of the things that increase the risks of processed red meat (high temperature, burning) apply to red meat cooked in barbecues.
But we also know that it doesn't cause very much cancer.
If someone eats 50g of processed red meat every day their risk increases by 18%. But a small increase on an already small risk means not many extra people will get cancer.
At the moment in the UK about 6 in 100 people will get colorectal cancer at some point in their life. If we had another group of 100 people who all ate 50g of processed red meat every day we'd expect to see 7 people with colorectal cancer (1 extra person).
Some people will see this risk and not care. Some people will see this risk, and their family history, and will cut back a bit on processed red meat.
The WHO research was widely misreported. There were lots of newspapers saying that red meat was now as dangerous as smoking. The WHO have levels of quality of evidence, and the evidence for processed red meat is now in the same level as the evidence for smoking. But clearly smoking causes very many more cases of cancer than processed red meat.
Gerd Gigerenzer has a bunch of popsci books about communicating risk to the public. Reckoning with Risk and Risk Savvy are interesting.
Cured meat (ham, bacon, sausages, etc.). The nitrites used to cure meat are believed to be the main carcinogen factors. It's totally possible to make cured meat without (I think it's quite popular...
Cured meat (ham, bacon, sausages, etc.). The nitrites used to cure meat are believed to be the main carcinogen factors. It's totally possible to make cured meat without (I think it's quite popular in Danmark) but the industry is pushing hard against it because it makes the meat look brown instead of pink.
Processed meat has been modified to either extend its shelf life or change the taste and the main methods are smoking, curing, or adding salt or preservatives.
Simply putting beef through a mincer does not mean the resulting mince is "processed" unless it is modified further.
Processed meat includes bacon, sausages, hot dogs, salami, corned beef, beef jerky and ham as well as canned meat and meat-based sauces.
Red meat is a darker colour than white meat and includes beef, lamb and pork because of higher levels of proteins that bind to oxygen, haemoglobin and myoglobin in blood and muscle.
(I think British corned beef is different to the US corned beef).
I have lived my life on a no restriction diet always. While at a stressful job and in a stressful relationship I was just shedding weight while eating relatively healthy and I didn't want to....
I have lived my life on a no restriction diet always. While at a stressful job and in a stressful relationship I was just shedding weight while eating relatively healthy and I didn't want to. Hitting a low of ~145 at 6 feet tall I looked like shit imo.
Health is way too variable to really discuss in this manner. But for me, able to eat anything and needing to gain weight as opposed to lose it, chicken and carbs are a godsend. I will use beef and tuna to break up the monotony. I almost never eat pork. It just doesn't sit well with me especially if I have to consume larger servings. Pork is great for just a taco where you get carnitas. But I would hate to eat an entire pork chop now. I would say my chicken to beef ratio is 2:1 at least if not more. I don't have a car anymore so when I need to get somewhere, which means riding a bicycle, I feel tremendous when I have a large serving of chicken and potatoes or chicken and pasta. I don't feel nearly as good if I do my beef serving. That's more for flavor and variation.
Salmon is something I would be much more interested in if I cared to pay for and cook it often but I don't. Chicken is just typically so much easier and cheaper. That said, for others were lenient finances and a full kitchen set up, it's another great substitute.
It's kind of baffling to hear of Jordan Peterson and his daughter eating basically steaks 2-3 times a day or whatever. It sounds like maybe they are within a niche well adapted to that. Given they both had various problems, very severe for his daughter. I personally couldn't imagine doing this diet, like most people I assume. I suppose it could be better with the high quality options they are buying, but with my activity levels I like to have carbs to burn. And red meat tends to feel heavier within my system. Chicken and tuna are so great for this. Also eggs if you want to have more morning appropriate meals. Eggs and potatoes is a perfectly fine way to start a day. Protein and carbs, but generally lighter than a meat-centric meal.
Also, consistency goes a long way for whatever you want to do whether it's lose weight or gain weight. Make it easy on your body. Especially if you are active and therefore need to have the right amount of fuel at the right time. And try not to get hungry next to a fast food place or mini market. My ex would always stop at fast food places to avoid grocery shopping and/or cooking. Her gut bacteria health was shit and she always felt like shit.
Where you are? Here in Brazil most meat sold in butcheries is unprocessed, with no herbs and spices. The exception would be smoked and sometimes salted-cured meats such as bacon and other local...
Where you are? Here in Brazil most meat sold in butcheries is unprocessed, with no herbs and spices.
The exception would be smoked and sometimes salted-cured meats such as bacon and other local cuts. IDK if I would consider them processed.
Cured/processed meats such as salami and ham are seasoned but are usually sold at the supermarket.
Anyway, if your issue is the herbs and spices, you possibly have some alternatives to choose from.
Not that you or anyone should eat meat, of course! I’m just an enthusiast :P
Back in high school the older generations in my family started getting cancers, heart problems, and all sorts of fun stuff. It was all allegedly hereditary, and scared the crap out of me. A comic...
Back in high school the older generations in my family started getting cancers, heart problems, and all sorts of fun stuff. It was all allegedly hereditary, and scared the crap out of me. A comic (of all things) mentioned reading a book called "The China Study," which I then read and had a lot of studies about the effects of meat consumption and how abstaining from it practically reversed factors that contribute to heart disease. Then I read Eating Animals because I felt it was obligatory to stick my head into the underbelly of the foods that I was eating.
The two of them combined were a one-two punch that kicked meat out of my diet entirely. I guiltily admit I still eat cheese, and have been slowly ebbing any and all of its recipes out of my recipe book so that I only cook vegan meals when I'm at home.
And as if my diet couldn't get any more boring, I'm trying to cut gluten out after learning I'm at increased risk for celiac (both aunt and sister have it), and read The Case Against Sugar, so I'm trying to cut back on that shit too. Why does everything good have to be bad?
I am vegetarian because I read 'eating animals' too. The way the book was set out, the arguments and the non-judgmental tone spoke to me. I agreed with all the logical arguments, so thought I had...
I am vegetarian because I read 'eating animals' too. The way the book was set out, the arguments and the non-judgmental tone spoke to me.
I agreed with all the logical arguments, so thought I had better give up meat and fish. That was about 8 years ago. Went vegan this year too.
I eat red meat because: it’s relatively cheap in my country it’s very easy and quick to prepare it’s tasty I was a vegetarian once but quit for economic reasons. There were no cheap vegetarian...
I eat red meat because:
it’s relatively cheap in my country
it’s very easy and quick to prepare
it’s tasty
I was a vegetarian once but quit for economic reasons. There were no cheap vegetarian restaurants near my workplace. The kind I could prepare myself would not be healthy. I’m a very picky eater and this didn’t change while vegetarian. I'm also lazy.
I am vegan for ethical reasons, so I'd like to shed some light on what it's like health wise to give up meat. Giving up meat was actually really easy (though I'm fortunate to live in an area with...
I am vegan for ethical reasons, so I'd like to shed some light on what it's like health wise to give up meat.
Giving up meat was actually really easy (though I'm fortunate to live in an area with good vegan options).
I didn't notice any negative health effects whatsoever even though I didn't make an effort to count nutrients or anything. Part of that comes from the fact that I eat a very balanced diet of almost entirely homemade food. I did lose about 15lbs of fat after i stopped eating meat, but I chalk this up more to the fact that I was cooking healthier meals than anything else.
there are MANY MANY studies that show that eating red meat leads to cancer, high cholesterol, diabetes.
There is also the climate change aspect. Animal ag is responsible for more greenhouse gases than ALL of the transport industries combined.
Animal agriculture is a cancer on the Earth, basically is what i'm saying
Healthline had an article discussing this and other aspects of eating red meat, Is Red Meat Bad for You, or Good? An Objective Look. It's not quite as clear as you're making out to be. Many of the studies are observational, so can only describe correlation rather than causation. Further, many are able to show a strong correlation with processed red meat, but not unprocessed red meat.
We now know that processed red meat does cause cancer. We are as certain as we can be that this is true. We think red meat is probably carcinogenic. The evidence isn't as strong for red meat as it is for processed red meat. But some of the things that increase the risks of processed red meat (high temperature, burning) apply to red meat cooked in barbecues.
But we also know that it doesn't cause very much cancer.
If someone eats 50g of processed red meat every day their risk increases by 18%. But a small increase on an already small risk means not many extra people will get cancer.
At the moment in the UK about 6 in 100 people will get colorectal cancer at some point in their life. If we had another group of 100 people who all ate 50g of processed red meat every day we'd expect to see 7 people with colorectal cancer (1 extra person).
Some people will see this risk and not care. Some people will see this risk, and their family history, and will cut back a bit on processed red meat.
The WHO research was widely misreported. There were lots of newspapers saying that red meat was now as dangerous as smoking. The WHO have levels of quality of evidence, and the evidence for processed red meat is now in the same level as the evidence for smoking. But clearly smoking causes very many more cases of cancer than processed red meat.
Gerd Gigerenzer has a bunch of popsci books about communicating risk to the public. Reckoning with Risk and Risk Savvy are interesting.
What do people actually mean when they say "processed" red meat?
Cured meat (ham, bacon, sausages, etc.). The nitrites used to cure meat are believed to be the main carcinogen factors. It's totally possible to make cured meat without (I think it's quite popular in Danmark) but the industry is pushing hard against it because it makes the meat look brown instead of pink.
This gives a good idea: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34620617
(I think British corned beef is different to the US corned beef).
To put that in perspective, IIRC smoking increases the risk of lung cancer 20 times (against 1.8 for processed meat).
There is also a video by kurzgesagt on this matter.
I have lived my life on a no restriction diet always. While at a stressful job and in a stressful relationship I was just shedding weight while eating relatively healthy and I didn't want to. Hitting a low of ~145 at 6 feet tall I looked like shit imo.
Health is way too variable to really discuss in this manner. But for me, able to eat anything and needing to gain weight as opposed to lose it, chicken and carbs are a godsend. I will use beef and tuna to break up the monotony. I almost never eat pork. It just doesn't sit well with me especially if I have to consume larger servings. Pork is great for just a taco where you get carnitas. But I would hate to eat an entire pork chop now. I would say my chicken to beef ratio is 2:1 at least if not more. I don't have a car anymore so when I need to get somewhere, which means riding a bicycle, I feel tremendous when I have a large serving of chicken and potatoes or chicken and pasta. I don't feel nearly as good if I do my beef serving. That's more for flavor and variation.
Salmon is something I would be much more interested in if I cared to pay for and cook it often but I don't. Chicken is just typically so much easier and cheaper. That said, for others were lenient finances and a full kitchen set up, it's another great substitute.
It's kind of baffling to hear of Jordan Peterson and his daughter eating basically steaks 2-3 times a day or whatever. It sounds like maybe they are within a niche well adapted to that. Given they both had various problems, very severe for his daughter. I personally couldn't imagine doing this diet, like most people I assume. I suppose it could be better with the high quality options they are buying, but with my activity levels I like to have carbs to burn. And red meat tends to feel heavier within my system. Chicken and tuna are so great for this. Also eggs if you want to have more morning appropriate meals. Eggs and potatoes is a perfectly fine way to start a day. Protein and carbs, but generally lighter than a meat-centric meal.
Also, consistency goes a long way for whatever you want to do whether it's lose weight or gain weight. Make it easy on your body. Especially if you are active and therefore need to have the right amount of fuel at the right time. And try not to get hungry next to a fast food place or mini market. My ex would always stop at fast food places to avoid grocery shopping and/or cooking. Her gut bacteria health was shit and she always felt like shit.
https://www.tasteinc.com/battle-meats-chicken-vs-beef/
7 to 24, whoa. Why the huge difference compared to the meats?
..... Do you dislike herbs and spices in general, or just the ones commonly used on red meat?
Where you are? Here in Brazil most meat sold in butcheries is unprocessed, with no herbs and spices.
The exception would be smoked and sometimes salted-cured meats such as bacon and other local cuts. IDK if I would consider them processed.
Cured/processed meats such as salami and ham are seasoned but are usually sold at the supermarket.
Anyway, if your issue is the herbs and spices, you possibly have some alternatives to choose from.
Not that you or anyone should eat meat, of course! I’m just an enthusiast :P
Ah, okay. Meat from supermarkets is shit here too. Expensive, old and unreliable. I've bought ruined meat from a supermarket before. Never again.
If the issue are the herbs and spices, some meat cuts and preparations taste very good with salt alone.
Back in high school the older generations in my family started getting cancers, heart problems, and all sorts of fun stuff. It was all allegedly hereditary, and scared the crap out of me. A comic (of all things) mentioned reading a book called "The China Study," which I then read and had a lot of studies about the effects of meat consumption and how abstaining from it practically reversed factors that contribute to heart disease. Then I read Eating Animals because I felt it was obligatory to stick my head into the underbelly of the foods that I was eating.
The two of them combined were a one-two punch that kicked meat out of my diet entirely. I guiltily admit I still eat cheese, and have been slowly ebbing any and all of its recipes out of my recipe book so that I only cook vegan meals when I'm at home.
And as if my diet couldn't get any more boring, I'm trying to cut gluten out after learning I'm at increased risk for celiac (both aunt and sister have it), and read The Case Against Sugar, so I'm trying to cut back on that shit too. Why does everything good have to be bad?
I am vegetarian because I read 'eating animals' too. The way the book was set out, the arguments and the non-judgmental tone spoke to me.
I agreed with all the logical arguments, so thought I had better give up meat and fish. That was about 8 years ago. Went vegan this year too.
I eat red meat because:
I was a vegetarian once but quit for economic reasons. There were no cheap vegetarian restaurants near my workplace. The kind I could prepare myself would not be healthy. I’m a very picky eater and this didn’t change while vegetarian. I'm also lazy.
I am vegan for ethical reasons, so I'd like to shed some light on what it's like health wise to give up meat.
Giving up meat was actually really easy (though I'm fortunate to live in an area with good vegan options).
I didn't notice any negative health effects whatsoever even though I didn't make an effort to count nutrients or anything. Part of that comes from the fact that I eat a very balanced diet of almost entirely homemade food. I did lose about 15lbs of fat after i stopped eating meat, but I chalk this up more to the fact that I was cooking healthier meals than anything else.