I saw videos of the LAPD on their phones, sitting on benches, and eating sandwiches they had doordashed to them. They seem "fine" and lacking a need for any particular support as the city was not...
I saw videos of the LAPD on their phones, sitting on benches, and eating sandwiches they had doordashed to them. They seem "fine" and lacking a need for any particular support as the city was not burning around them.
Meanwhile foxnews.com is littered with stories about the "out-of-control" riots featuring the same 2 pictures of fires. I would find it hilarious if it weren't so effective at duping and riling up...
Meanwhile foxnews.com is littered with stories about the "out-of-control" riots featuring the same 2 pictures of fires. I would find it hilarious if it weren't so effective at duping and riling up the right wing base.
I wonder if there's a single city in the US that hasn't been burnt down in the past decade according to Fox reporting. I'm sure all the major ones have been completely destroyed several times over.
I wonder if there's a single city in the US that hasn't been burnt down in the past decade according to Fox reporting. I'm sure all the major ones have been completely destroyed several times over.
They burned Waymos. Even small cities in IL burned a car or couch or two when the Cubs/White Sox won the series. ETA: specifically there were concerns about the cameras on the cars being used for...
They burned Waymos. Even small cities in IL burned a car or couch or two when the Cubs/White Sox won the series.
ETA: specifically there were concerns about the cameras on the cars being used for surveillance. Idk if that's the only reason or even accurate but that's what folks shared
Other protests today on lives (mostly in the last hour) Spokane, Washington - protestors were blocking an intersection and being confronted by police Seattle, Washington - protestors are marching...
Other protests today on lives (mostly in the last hour)
Spokane, Washington - protestors were blocking an intersection and being confronted by police
Seattle, Washington - protestors are marching after about two days of blocking ICE from exiting a federal building after arresting a 21 year old at his scheduled immigration hearing (Seattle PD is not assisting ICE but was trying to negotiate a "compromise" releasing the 21
Las Vegas, Nevada - marching down the street, no police presence shown
Santa Ana, California - marching in streets and blocking intersection, no police shown
Burbank, California, protestors along the side walks with drums and music, cars honking in support, outside the hotel ICE is staying in
Images of soldiers sleeping on the floor went viral earlier this week, spurring California Gov. Gavin Newsom to blast the federal response in a post on X directed at Trump on Monday. "You sent your troops here without fuel, food, water or a place to sleep," he wrote. "If anyone is treating our troops disrespectfully, it is you."
Turns out military.com is a great source for in-military reporting.
This is, ironically, something I'm more used to reading about when talking about the Russian army. They truly are as malicious as they are incompetent. And honestly, it's so pathetic that this...
But the administrative snafu is indicative of a slapdash mission where the welfare of troops has not been a priority. Several service members described inadequate living conditions at staging areas such as the military facility at Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, on the outskirts of Los Angeles, where soldiers are sleeping outside on cots due to a shortage of space. Others cited intermittent issues with food and fuel supplies.
This is, ironically, something I'm more used to reading about when talking about the Russian army. They truly are as malicious as they are incompetent. And honestly, it's so pathetic that this happens on the same week they're holding a military parade of all things. Like, do they want to piss off troops? Given how the Apartheid Princess slashed a hotline for veterans, I'd almost think so.
It may well just be incompetance, but my spouse gave me a fantastic theory that holds it together. They want the troops on edge. They want to have somebody start an escalation so they can...
Like, do they want to piss off troops?
It may well just be incompetance, but my spouse gave me a fantastic theory that holds it together.
They want the troops on edge. They want to have somebody start an escalation so they can full-blown justify insurrection and get some less-sympathetic troops in there.
Especially with Hesgeth's statements about getting troops into other blue cities. As they mentioned in Project 2025 a year ago.
This is not hyperbole: Governors should deploy their National Guards to defend their cities before Trump tries to take them to attack.
To an extend, that does make sense - escalating tensions and increasing anxiety is a great way to get that done if you're an aspiring autocrat. But also, it's reaaaaaally risky strategy-wise to do...
To an extend, that does make sense - escalating tensions and increasing anxiety is a great way to get that done if you're an aspiring autocrat. But also, it's reaaaaaally risky strategy-wise to do it this way given how it'll affect loyalty within the chain of command.
Although... if you don't really care about what they feel(and consider yourself naturally superior), I guess it makes sense you'd think you could get away with it even if it risks being at the other end of the barrel eventually in practice.
Well fuck. Yeah, from a fascist perspective that makes... a chilling amount of sense.
Fewer than twenty members of the California National Guard, whose role is to protect federal property, stood at the entrance to the Federal Building, holding large plastic shields. Legally forbidden from carrying out domestic law-enforcement duties, they could not do much to block the protesters on their own. They were thus accompanied by black-uniformed members of the Los Angeles Police Department, whose job seemed to be to protect the Guard from protesters while the Guard ostensibly protected the building.
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Confrontations continued into the night, as the police chased a shrinking group of people around an area of a few blocks of downtown. Around midnight, several people broke into and looted an Apple Store, an Adidas store, and a weed dispensary on Broadway. By the end of the night, the L.A.P.D. had arrested more than a hundred people, according to the Mayor’s office; on the same day, ICE had conducted another five raids in the L.A. metropolitan area, including one at a Home Depot in Huntington Park and another at a Home Depot in Whittier.
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The President’s claims that, as one of his posts put it, “Los Angeles would have been completely obliterated” without the National Guard appeared to be bluster. As I followed protesters around downtown L.A., I watched local police corral and disperse protesters using armored trucks, flash-bangs, rubber bullets, batons, and shields. The only members of the California National Guard I saw were the dozen or so standing in front of the Federal Building. Physical confrontations seemed to have been carried out almost entirely by the L.A.P.D., the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and other coöordinated state and local law-enforcement agencies.
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It would be reported over the course of the day that the Marines had indeed arrived and were waiting for orders at the Naval Weapons Station in Seal Beach, a coastal city in Orange County. The local news channels aired video of the soldiers training there: moving in an arrow-shaped phalanx around a field while holding their plastic shields; practicing what appeared to be a skirmish line. If and when they join the National Guard at the Federal Building, or some other federal building, they, too, will not be able to make arrests unless Trump successfully invokes the Insurrection Act.
U.S. District Judge Charles R. Breyer ruled that President Donald Trump acted improperly, “both exceeding the scope of his statutory authority and violating the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. He must therefore return control of the California National Guard to the Governor of the State of California forthwith.”
Though Breyer stayed his order until noon Friday, the government immediately filed a notice of appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.
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He said that while courts treat presidents’ decisions on foreign policy and national security with great deference, this case involves “domestic use of military force, a matter on which the courts can certainly weigh in.”
And contrary to Trump’s assertions, Breyer wrote that the Los Angeles demonstrations “fall far short of ‘rebellion.’” He said the Trump administration identified instances of people acting violently, but not “a violent, armed, organized, open and avowed uprising against the government as a whole.”
Edit:
An appeals court late Thursday allowed President Donald Trump, for now, to keep the California National Guard deployed in response to protests in Los Angeles, blocking a federal judge’s move just hours earlier that ordered the Trump administration to return control of the troops to California Gov. Gavin Newsom.
California national guards troops and marines deployed to Los Angeles to help restore order after days of protest against the Trump administration have told friends and family members they are deeply unhappy about the assignment and worry their only meaningful role will be as pawns in a political battle they do not want to join.
Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.
As of Wednesday, the Marines were still not on the streets as part of what's called Task Force 51. They were going through basic training about standard rules of force, which will likely continue for two days, according to the Task Force 51 commander.
"We go through extensive training to do this," said Major Gen. Scott Sherman. "They are trained to use their weapons, to actually have their weapons to do their personal protection. This is crowd control. This is stuff that we do not do usually."
Sherman, commander of Task Force 51 that is overseeing the more than 4,000 Guard troops and 700 Marines deployed, initially said that National Guard troops had already temporarily detained some civilians. He later said he was incorrect, and that he had based his comments on photos and footage he had seen that turned out to not be a representation of Guard members in Los Angeles.
He said that as of Wednesday, none of the troops has detained a protester. But he said they have gone through days of training and are prepared to do so if needed. Close to 2,000 of the Guard members have either been out protecting federal facilities or personnel already or are ready to move out, and the Marines will wrap up their training and are expected to be on the streets of Los Angeles as early as Thursday evening, Sherman said.
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Under the Posse Comitatus Act, active-duty forces are prohibited by law from conducting law enforcement. Sherman said all of the Guard troops and Marines are going through several days of training on civil unrest and crowd control so they know exactly what they can and can’t do.
As an example, Sherman said if Guard members see someone trying to assault a civilian or a law enforcement officer, they are allowed to grab them and hold onto them. Then they would quickly turn them over to law enforcement, who would handcuff the person or arrest them.
The roughly 500 being used to provide security on the raids undergo expanded instruction, legal training and rehearsals with the agents doing the enforcement before they go on those missions. Photos of Guard soldiers providing security for the agents have been circulated by immigration officials.
“We are doing rehearsals with these groups of agents that are doing these missions,” Sherman said. “A crawl, walk, run rehearsal, if you will, so that we fully understand their operations.”
The incident took place at the Wilshire Federal Building in Los Angeles where Marines took charge of the mission to protect the building earlier on Friday, in a rare domestic use of U.S. troops after days of protests over immigration raids.
Reuters images showed Marines apprehending the man, restraining his hands with zip ties and then handing him over to civilians from the Department of Homeland Security.
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Speaking to reporters after he was released, the civilian identified himself as Marcos Leao, 27. Leao said he was an Army veteran on his way to an office of the Department of Veterans Affairs when he crossed a yellow tape boundary and was asked to stop.
Leao, who gained his U.S. citizenship through military service, said he was treated "very fairly."
"They're just doing their job," said Leao, who is of Angolan and Portuguese descent.
The 200 Marines and more than 2,000 National Guard now deployed to Los Angeles are tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel. They will be joined by an additional 500 Marines and 2,000 more National Guard soldiers.
I saw videos of the LAPD on their phones, sitting on benches, and eating sandwiches they had doordashed to them. They seem "fine" and lacking a need for any particular support as the city was not burning around them.
Meanwhile foxnews.com is littered with stories about the "out-of-control" riots featuring the same 2 pictures of fires. I would find it hilarious if it weren't so effective at duping and riling up the right wing base.
I wonder if there's a single city in the US that hasn't been burnt down in the past decade according to Fox reporting. I'm sure all the major ones have been completely destroyed several times over.
Idk I don't think Chicago can possibly exist anymore to them.
My understanding is the worst riot had something like 600 people. The LAPD has more than an order of magnitude more officers than that.
"riot" deserves a heaping helping of scare quotes as well
Well there is some destruction going on. People throwing rocks and burning cars.
That's just a Philadelphia game win. Everyone is so melodramatic.....
I grew up near Philly. I don't think they even knocked over any street lights in LA? Rookies.
They burned Waymos. Even small cities in IL burned a car or couch or two when the Cubs/White Sox won the series.
ETA: specifically there were concerns about the cameras on the cars being used for surveillance. Idk if that's the only reason or even accurate but that's what folks shared
There is something primal about celebrating around a large fire. Cities don't have as many options to set one up.
I know we're deep in a tangent now, but if Philly ever chooses to change one of their team's mascots, I propose a traffic light.
Maybe just for a themed day, like minor league baseball does
And I think the number of "rioters" is also way less than 600
Other protests today on lives (mostly in the last hour)
Spokane, Washington - protestors were blocking an intersection and being confronted by police
Seattle, Washington - protestors are marching after about two days of blocking ICE from exiting a federal building after arresting a 21 year old at his scheduled immigration hearing (Seattle PD is not assisting ICE but was trying to negotiate a "compromise" releasing the 21
Las Vegas, Nevada - marching down the street, no police presence shown
Santa Ana, California - marching in streets and blocking intersection, no police shown
Burbank, California, protestors along the side walks with drums and music, cars honking in support, outside the hotel ICE is staying in
It seems to be much less of a problem for them than a typical Lakers or Dodgers championship celebration.
Some other relevant info:
The National Guard isn't getting paid yet
Turns out military.com is a great source for in-military reporting.
This is, ironically, something I'm more used to reading about when talking about the Russian army. They truly are as malicious as they are incompetent. And honestly, it's so pathetic that this happens on the same week they're holding a military parade of all things. Like, do they want to piss off troops? Given how the Apartheid Princess slashed a hotline for veterans, I'd almost think so.
It may well just be incompetance, but my spouse gave me a fantastic theory that holds it together.
They want the troops on edge. They want to have somebody start an escalation so they can full-blown justify insurrection and get some less-sympathetic troops in there.
Especially with Hesgeth's statements about getting troops into other blue cities. As they mentioned in Project 2025 a year ago.
This is not hyperbole: Governors should deploy their National Guards to defend their cities before Trump tries to take them to attack.
To an extend, that does make sense - escalating tensions and increasing anxiety is a great way to get that done if you're an aspiring autocrat. But also, it's reaaaaaally risky strategy-wise to do it this way given how it'll affect loyalty within the chain of command.
Although... if you don't really care about what they feel(and consider yourself naturally superior), I guess it makes sense you'd think you could get away with it even if it risks being at the other end of the barrel eventually in practice.
Well fuck. Yeah, from a fascist perspective that makes... a chilling amount of sense.
Yup. That was my initial thought too.
https://archive.is/vYHmG
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Judge says Trump acted illegally in dispatching National Guard in California
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Edit:
Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’ (The Guardian)
Meanwhile:
Marines to go through ‘extensive' training before operations in LA
About 500 National Guard troops in LA are trained to accompany agents on immigration raids (AP)
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US Marines carry out first known detention of civilian in Los Angeles, video shows (Reuters)
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Not the ending I expected.