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Is fascism back?

9 comments

  1. [2]
    AnthonyB
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    I listened to the first half of the video while playing a game, and one of the voices sounded strangely familiar. Turns out it was one of my old professors! I took a course taught by William I....
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    I listened to the first half of the video while playing a game, and one of the voices sounded strangely familiar. Turns out it was one of my old professors! I took a course taught by William I. Robinson many years ago, and I am not at all surprised by his take.

    All in all, this video was about what you'd expect from a Johnny Harris video on fascism. It's a well produced, cautious, introductory examination of the topic, and, unsurprisingly, it's delivered without taking a firm stance on anything. Oh, Johnny. He makes me feel like Joanie Sommers sometimes.

    I wish there was more time spent exploring the disagreement between the experts. I find myself more in line with Robinson and Snyder than Griffin and Finchelstein, though I'm interested in reading up on their arguments. Personally, I think it's a little silly to hone in on specific elements, especially the violence and destruction of democracy. We spent the better part of a century villainizing Hitler and Mussolini, you'd expect modern day fascists/fascistic leaders to evolve accordingly. Does it have to be a 1-1 comparison to when it started in the 1930s in order to call it fascism? Basketball looked very different when it first started, but the spirit of the game remains the same and we still call it basketball. I suppose Griffin and Finchelstein would have us call it netball.

    15 votes
    1. stu2b50
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      Does it matter? I feel like there's a desire for fascism to be the ultimate evil, and that to be able to attribute a modern ill to "fascism" to have some useful quality in pinning the ultimate...

      Does it have to be a 1-1 comparison to when it started in the 1930s in order to call it fascism?

      Does it matter? I feel like there's a desire for fascism to be the ultimate evil, and that to be able to attribute a modern ill to "fascism" to have some useful quality in pinning the ultimate evil on something, but fascism is just one amongst many authoritarian schemes which have ill effects on the populace. Stalinism was fundamentally different from fascism, but it resulted in 20 million deaths nonetheless.

      The modern far right can be something different than fascism, but that's not inherently a defense, or clearing them of something.

      4 votes
  2. KapteinB
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    Also on Nebula.

    Also on Nebula.

    You hear it everywhere these days: Fascism is back. I wanted to know if that was true. But first I had a lot to learn about what fascism actually means.

    6 votes
  3. fnulare
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    Thanks! This is a great video, a good reminder and history lesson but also fairly nuanced. In my personal opinion it is too lenient in hammering in the relationship between fascism and the ruling...

    Thanks!

    This is a great video, a good reminder and history lesson but also fairly nuanced.

    In my personal opinion it is too lenient in hammering in the relationship between fascism and the ruling classes who benefit most from capitalism.

    As an aside I find that Timothy Snyder is the most credible expert since he had some chocolate cake right before the interview (as seen in the left corner of his mouth) and that aligns with Emma Goldman's if I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution view of politics, life & society (that I share profoundly!).

    3 votes
  4. [2]
    Drewbahr
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    Who's asking, where are they, and what's the experience of minorities there? You'll get a variety of answers.

    Who's asking, where are they, and what's the experience of minorities there? You'll get a variety of answers.

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    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Johnny Harris probably wrote the title of his own video so there's one of your answers.

      Johnny Harris probably wrote the title of his own video so there's one of your answers.

      1 vote
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    Kremor
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    Given how emotionally taxing the topic is with the current state of the world, can I get a TL;DW?

    Given how emotionally taxing the topic is with the current state of the world, can I get a TL;DW?

    2 votes
    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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      If it helps the "chapters" break down into a historical discussion of Mussolini, Hitler/Germany and how they came to power, then there's a bit on famous list of fascist characteristics and the...

      If it helps the "chapters" break down into a historical discussion of Mussolini, Hitler/Germany and how they came to power, then there's a bit on famous list of fascist characteristics and the last 20+ minutes are on the question. So you could hop to whatever point you want.

      I'm still in the middle of it and I hate AI summaries so I'll come back with a more detailed human breakdown if no one else does.

      5 votes
  6. h6nry
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    Slightly off topic, not of serious note According to this song, yes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPvWtvUZF8
    Slightly off topic, not of serious note

    According to this song, yes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPvWtvUZF8