Considering that there are three parties ranging from right wing to extremely right in hungary's parliament now, the lack of political diversity is concerning for sure, and I wouldn't expect...
Considering that there are three parties ranging from right wing to extremely right in hungary's parliament now, the lack of political diversity is concerning for sure, and I wouldn't expect overly progressive policy decisions from the new guy. He's still a conservative. But at least it looks like he's a Pro-European conservative with sound democratic values. So of the possible outcomes its the better one for sure.
Also the two-third-majority should allow the new government to more easily roll back many of the changes that undermined the rule of law and democracy under Orban, but of course this also comes with more potential for abuse if Magyar doesn't turn out to be who people expect him to be.
We'll have to wait and see how it works out long term I suppose.
It's a slap in the face for Vladimir Putin and his authoritarian propaganda and sabotage machine. Which delights me and gives me more hope for the U.S. Let Orban scuttle off to retire in a Black...
It's a slap in the face for Vladimir Putin and his authoritarian propaganda and sabotage machine. Which delights me and gives me more hope for the U.S.
Let Orban scuttle off to retire in a Black Sea dacha, and maybe Hungary can recover from its long nightmare.
They should investigate him and claw back the ridiculous palaces that him and his cronies have built with stolen EU and state monies, and THEN let him sink into oblivion.
They should investigate him and claw back the ridiculous palaces that him and his cronies have built with stolen EU and state monies, and THEN let him sink into oblivion.
Agreed - we know what happened when the U.S. slow-walked the Trump criminal investigations. But if Russia offered Orban a comfortable exit to prevent any revelations about the extent of corrupt...
Agreed - we know what happened when the U.S. slow-walked the Trump criminal investigations. But if Russia offered Orban a comfortable exit to prevent any revelations about the extent of corrupt payoffs, collaboration, and control, it would reveal beyond question who's been pulling the strings all along.
I'm more worried that Hungary continues to be exposed [paywall] to Russian arm-twisting over energy supplies. There's no path for closer integration with the EU that avoids conflict with Putin's ambition to restore the old Soviet empire.
From the perspective of a more unified world that looks towards better living condition across the population this is great news. The people have spoken and decided that 16 years of a generally...
From the perspective of a more unified world that looks towards better living condition across the population this is great news. The people have spoken and decided that 16 years of a generally conservative trend wasn't enough. Despite the biggest party being a center-right leaning group, they do look towards Europe instead of Russia. From my obviously biased point of view I think this can lead to a more stable outlook for all Hungarians given enough time.
Well holy crap. Ok then, some good news? I phrase that as a question because I have next to no knowledge of who has been elected, but I definitely view Orban leaving power as a net positive.
Well holy crap. Ok then, some good news?
I phrase that as a question because I have next to no knowledge of who has been elected, but I definitely view Orban leaving power as a net positive.
My impression is Magyar is somewhat more democratic, more pro-European, but still fairly right wing by European standards. He was a former member of Orban's party when it was clear what it was,...
My impression is Magyar is somewhat more democratic, more pro-European, but still fairly right wing by European standards. He was a former member of Orban's party when it was clear what it was, which does leave me with some reservations beyond just disagreeing with him politically, but it's at least directionally correct compared to more Orban.
This is still Hungary. https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/justifiability-of-homosexuality Only 17.51% of Hungarians think that homosexuality can be justified. 54.25% say it can’t be justified. Even...
Only 17.51% of Hungarians think that homosexuality can be justified. 54.25% say it can’t be justified. Even a lot of their more progressive people are still socially conservative compared to America.
Anti-corruption as a policy platform usually means nothing, in my perspective. It can easily be a cudgel to go after enemies. It implies that the leader can’t be corrupt, too.
Anti-corruption as a policy platform usually means nothing, in my perspective. It can easily be a cudgel to go after enemies. It implies that the leader can’t be corrupt, too.
I don't disagree, but I mean his word is all we have to go on right now. We'll see how it ends up. At least the EU standard anti corruption laws are there to strive towards.
I don't disagree, but I mean his word is all we have to go on right now.
We'll see how it ends up. At least the EU standard anti corruption laws are there to strive towards.
I can't be the only one who's reaction was "Wait, he actually conceded?", was expecting at the very least yelling and claiming fraud.
Ditto. I've been half-expecting a repeat of 1956.
But I'll take anti-climactic any day of the week. Things have been a bit too interesting, of late.
It has me moderately worried that the new guy is going to be more of the same
Considering that there are three parties ranging from right wing to extremely right in hungary's parliament now, the lack of political diversity is concerning for sure, and I wouldn't expect overly progressive policy decisions from the new guy. He's still a conservative. But at least it looks like he's a Pro-European conservative with sound democratic values. So of the possible outcomes its the better one for sure.
Also the two-third-majority should allow the new government to more easily roll back many of the changes that undermined the rule of law and democracy under Orban, but of course this also comes with more potential for abuse if Magyar doesn't turn out to be who people expect him to be.
We'll have to wait and see how it works out long term I suppose.
It's a slap in the face for Vladimir Putin and his authoritarian propaganda and sabotage machine. Which delights me and gives me more hope for the U.S.
Let Orban scuttle off to retire in a Black Sea dacha, and maybe Hungary can recover from its long nightmare.
They should investigate him and claw back the ridiculous palaces that him and his cronies have built with stolen EU and state monies, and THEN let him sink into oblivion.
Agreed - we know what happened when the U.S. slow-walked the Trump criminal investigations. But if Russia offered Orban a comfortable exit to prevent any revelations about the extent of corrupt payoffs, collaboration, and control, it would reveal beyond question who's been pulling the strings all along.
I'm more worried that Hungary continues to be exposed [paywall] to Russian arm-twisting over energy supplies. There's no path for closer integration with the EU that avoids conflict with Putin's ambition to restore the old Soviet empire.
From the perspective of a more unified world that looks towards better living condition across the population this is great news. The people have spoken and decided that 16 years of a generally conservative trend wasn't enough. Despite the biggest party being a center-right leaning group, they do look towards Europe instead of Russia. From my obviously biased point of view I think this can lead to a more stable outlook for all Hungarians given enough time.
Well holy crap. Ok then, some good news?
I phrase that as a question because I have next to no knowledge of who has been elected, but I definitely view Orban leaving power as a net positive.
My impression is Magyar is somewhat more democratic, more pro-European, but still fairly right wing by European standards. He was a former member of Orban's party when it was clear what it was, which does leave me with some reservations beyond just disagreeing with him politically, but it's at least directionally correct compared to more Orban.
Thank you, I appreciate the brief.
So a progressive by US standards?
This is still Hungary.
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/justifiability-of-homosexuality
Only 17.51% of Hungarians think that homosexuality can be justified. 54.25% say it can’t be justified. Even a lot of their more progressive people are still socially conservative compared to America.
Shame. We need the homos to live their best lives.
The last year's Budapest Pride was enormous, still. Even when there was a ban on it by Orbán. I guess people took it also as political standpoint.
An anti corruption, pro-eu shift with this new party. Important for the world, unsure how their local policies will affect Hungarians however.
Anti-corruption as a policy platform usually means nothing, in my perspective. It can easily be a cudgel to go after enemies. It implies that the leader can’t be corrupt, too.
I don't disagree, but I mean his word is all we have to go on right now.
We'll see how it ends up. At least the EU standard anti corruption laws are there to strive towards.
Donald Trump takes credit for a lot of stuff he doesn't deserve or outright isn't true, but you have to thank him for his endorsement of Orbán.