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Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of April 20

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  1. [5]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    Re: Palantir.... Hmmmm. I'm sure someone will defend this as sounding bad but "how do we know what they really mean?!" when really it's incredibly clear to me that this is some white Christian...

    Re: Palantir....

    1. The pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must be resisted. The elite’s intolerance of religious belief is perhaps one of the most telling signs that its political project constitutes a less open intellectual movement than many within it would claim.

    2. Some cultures have produced vital advances; others remain dysfunctional and regressive. All cultures are now equal. Criticism and value judgments are forbidden. Yet this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain cultures and indeed subcultures . . . have produced wonders. Others have proven middling, and worse, regressive and harmful.

    3. We must resist the shallow temptation of a vacant and hollow pluralism. We, in America and more broadly the West, have for the past half century resisted defining national cultures in the name of inclusivity. But inclusion into what?

    Hmmmm.

    I'm sure someone will defend this as sounding bad but "how do we know what they really mean?!" when really it's incredibly clear to me that this is some white Christian nationalist shit.

    14 votes
    1. [4]
      TheRtRevKaiser
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      The whole thing is pretty vague - I suspect that's intentional to give them just enough cover to dodge specific accusations if needed while still appealing to techno-feudalists and conservatives....

      The whole thing is pretty vague - I suspect that's intentional to give them just enough cover to dodge specific accusations if needed while still appealing to techno-feudalists and conservatives. There's some language that seems to me to be trying to build more bridges between social conservatives and the tech right, which is troubling to me.

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        I mean cultural superiority of the "West" while insisting on religious freedom (but clearly not of inferior cultures) is not nearly as vague as all that IMO. The tech to conservative pivot is not...

        I mean cultural superiority of the "West" while insisting on religious freedom (but clearly not of inferior cultures) is not nearly as vague as all that IMO. The tech to conservative pivot is not new IMO this feels just like saying the quiet part.

        3 votes
        1. [2]
          TheRtRevKaiser
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          No you're right, it's definitely pretty mask off. It just seems like there's enough vagueness for them to say "well of course we didn't mean that" if pressed

          No you're right, it's definitely pretty mask off. It just seems like there's enough vagueness for them to say "well of course we didn't mean that" if pressed

          1 vote
          1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Oh there's a reason I'm sure someone can/will try to play reasonableness games with the language. They're trying to wear the mask still but it's mesh and we can see the whole face.

            Oh there's a reason I'm sure someone can/will try to play reasonableness games with the language. They're trying to wear the mask still but it's mesh and we can see the whole face.

            3 votes
  2. DefinitelyNotAFae
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    Justice Dept. Charges Prominent Civil Rights Group With Financial Crimes They're charging the Southern Poverty Law Center with financial fraud for paying informants - members of the hate groups...

    Justice Dept. Charges Prominent Civil Rights Group With Financial Crimes

    They're charging the Southern Poverty Law Center with financial fraud for paying informants - members of the hate groups they investigate - for infiltrating the organizations and even apparently stealing documents (not clear to me that it's criminal theft if the individual had access to them.)

    So this feels like a politically targeted attack on an organization that basically reports on and provides information about hate groups to the general public. I've personally expected the SPLC to get targeted by this administration.

    14 votes
  3. [8]
    Eji1700
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    Someone opened fire at/during the white house correspondents dinner. Trump evac'd/not shot, shooter dead, not sure of much else. I'd normally make a topic but fucking hell what's the point right?...

    Someone opened fire at/during the white house correspondents dinner. Trump evac'd/not shot, shooter dead, not sure of much else. I'd normally make a topic but fucking hell what's the point right?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/crm1gm7ez30o

    10 votes
    1. [7]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      I'm seeing shooter in custody from your link now. (News moves fast it seems uncertain) Still judging all those people attending the dinner though. I think it's pathetic for journalists to be there...

      I'm seeing shooter in custody from your link now. (News moves fast it seems uncertain)

      Still judging all those people attending the dinner though. I think it's pathetic for journalists to be there to "celebrate" how Trump is destroying the free press.

      Idk we'll see.

      9 votes
      1. [6]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        Allegedly shooter is identified as a man from California. Allegedly had a shotgun, handgun, and multiple knives. The only person shot was a Secret Service Agent - unclear who fired those shots as...

        Allegedly shooter is identified as a man from California. Allegedly had a shotgun, handgun, and multiple knives.

        The only person shot was a Secret Service Agent - unclear who fired those shots as of now.

        Suspect was not shot and may have been a guest at the hotel.

        Wtf is this timeline even.

        3 votes
        1. [5]
          hobbes64
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          WTF indeed. I guess enough isn't known yet, but it seems most likely this is another person trying to get Trump. I guess this is the 3rd attempt, although I think one of them was armed but didn't...

          WTF indeed. I guess enough isn't known yet, but it seems most likely this is another person trying to get Trump. I guess this is the 3rd attempt, although I think one of them was armed but didn't get close and didn't fire?
          It's very weird how this is going down. I was reading some stuff on reddit before today's incident and there were quite a few comments from people who think the attempt on Trump before the election was a hoax. Here are the arguments:

          • Trump never mentions the attempts
          • Investigations into the attempts have been stopped
          • The secret service didn't properly secure the area and let an armed man onto a roof
          • The secret service saw the shooter before he shot but reacted very slowly to this info
          • After shots were fired the secret service did not safely remove Trump from the area. They let him stand up and pose for a photo
          • The photo seems staged with a flag in the background and a raised triumphant fist etc
          • A high powered rifle bullet would have done more damage to his ear
          • Based on the angle the bullet couldn't have hit his ear without also hitting his skull (maybe he was hit from some ricochet material and not the though)
          • His ear was bandaged for a while and not it is completely healed (ears cartilage doesn't heal)
          • Trump is into wrestling and would know how they cut themselves to make some drama

          It's weird that there's yet another attempt and the secret service has messed up again.

          So I'm not saying it's fake and that this is a convenient thing to distract from the war and all the news about Trump's poor polling and dementia. I just know that something weird is happening. Maybe it's because they fired a lot of competent secret service people and replaced them with less competent loyalists, as they've done almost everywhere else?

          I'm just asking questions while cocking my head slightly and giving a confused Tucker Carlson face.

          Edit:
          I remember when Obama was elected that I was kind of terrified that a racist nut would take him out. I assumed that he would have much higher than normal danger of being assassinated than other presidents, and we know that there have been many attempts, and some successful, over the years. There were a few attempts on Obama, but none as close as these attempts on Trump.

          5 votes
          1. [3]
            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Look, it's probably not fake, but I get why people feel suspicious about it. I'm just... Exhausted. And hoping this isn't used to target more vulnerable people.

            Look, it's probably not fake, but I get why people feel suspicious about it. I'm just... Exhausted.

            And hoping this isn't used to target more vulnerable people.

            5 votes
            1. [2]
              hobbes64
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              Agreed. It probably isn't fake. But there's so much intentional kayfabe going on that of course people are suspicious. I'm reminded of a Twilight Zone episode The Monsters are Due on Maple Street...

              Agreed. It probably isn't fake. But there's so much intentional kayfabe going on that of course people are suspicious.

              I'm reminded of a Twilight Zone episode The Monsters are Due on Maple Street
              The point of that story is that people become suspicious of each other and tear each other apart. The antagonist in the story is fear.

              In our real world, the same thing is happening, except the antagonist is the nefarious people that strategically generate the mistrust and fear. This includes Trump and the people who support him, including a right-wing media complex funded by unlimited dark money. I've got people I've known my whole life (and who used to be normal) who tell me things like the moon landings were faked because they saw a youtube video that said it was fake, or that autism is caused by vaccines, or requiring people to wear a mask to reduce the spread of an airborne virus during a pandemic was fascism. It's a post truth firehose of bullshit at all times.

              Edit: Wow we are going to hear nonstop conspiracy theories for a while now -

              (≖_≖ )
              https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3mkefstocws2g

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              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                Yeah in a flood of misinformation and being told things are fake all the time by the head of your government, it's not shocking this is where we are but also, dear gods we're going to hear about...

                Yeah in a flood of misinformation and being told things are fake all the time by the head of your government, it's not shocking this is where we are but also, dear gods we're going to hear about her comment forever

                ETA also the fact that the entire conservative twitter sphere went all in on "this is why we need the ballroom"

                Never mind the security perimeter was on a different floor, and it worked - and I guess he would have had to pre-book the room months ago and known Trump was attending if this was targeted vs opportunistic. But idk like, "wtf" remains my response.

                2 votes
          2. nic
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            Oh, we are going to hear lots about this guy. He is a Californian "teacher". Two things Republicans hate. Never mind he is a Christian, nor that he really was a college prep tutor. I expect lots...

            Oh, we are going to hear lots about this guy. He is a Californian "teacher". Two things Republicans hate. Never mind he is a Christian, nor that he really was a college prep tutor. I expect lots of breathless announcements on investigations, rumours, who he is, why California is a breading ground for this sort of stuff...

            Those other guys? The ones who more successfully penetrated secret service defenses? Forget about them.

            Sigh.

            5 votes
  4. [6]
    hobbes64
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    Virginia voters approve redistricting measure backed by Democrats Note also this opinion piece from the Washington Post Virginia plunges America deeper into the gerrymandering abyss This kind of...

    Virginia voters approve redistricting measure backed by Democrats

    Virginia voters have approved a Democrat-backed redistricting plan, according to Decision Desk HQ, greenlighting a new congressional map that could net the party as many as four seats ahead of the midterm elections.

    Voters in the Old Dominion cast their ballots in a Tuesday referendum, in which Democratic lawmakers asked them to approve a state constitutional amendment that would temporarily bypass the state’s redistricting commission and redraw maps mid-decade.

    The new House map expands Democrats’ 6-5 advantage in the state’s congressional delegation to a 10-1 edge — a significant boost in the battle for control of Congress this fall.

    Note also this opinion piece from the Washington Post
    Virginia plunges America deeper into the gerrymandering abyss

    This kind of piece is more evidence that the Washington Post has been corrupted since Bezos took over. There was no such negative opinion in the Post of the Texas redistricting that favored republicans and that particular gerrymandering exercise was not even put before voters.
    (Re: The Post: I'm referring to this recent Tildes thread about Bezos and other billionaires which contained several threads about the effect of billionaires on the free press)

    9 votes
    1. [5]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      I saw the comparison of the two editorial board written editorials and they're very different in tone. These aren't different guest writers both are the board. The Texas gerrymander freakout (I...

      This kind of piece is more evidence that the Washington Post has been corrupted since Bezos took over. There was no such negative opinion in the Post of the Texas redistricting that favored republicans and that particular gerrymandering exercise was not even put before voters.

      I saw the comparison of the two editorial board written editorials and they're very different in tone. These aren't different guest writers both are the board.

      The Texas gerrymander freakout

      (I don't have a sub so if someone else can gift or archive, please feel free)

      6 votes
      1. [4]
        hobbes64
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        Yup. This is mentioned in the Atlantic articles on the subject today. Here's one: The Virginia Gerrymander Disenfranchises Republicans Hopefully Democrats have finally learned that "When they go...

        Yup. This is mentioned in the Atlantic articles on the subject today.

        Here's one: The Virginia Gerrymander Disenfranchises Republicans

        Republicans seem to have expected that Democrats would continue to follow rules they had long since enthusiastically abandoned. The Washington Post editorial page, exemplifying its rightward turn under owner Jeff Bezos, dismissed Democratic concerns about Texas gerrymandering last year, arguing that “what’s happening in the Lone Star State is not a threat to democracy.” The editorial-board members were considerably less enthusiastic about Virginia’s redistricting, which they called a “power grab”; Democrats, they warned, had plunged America “deeper into the gerrymandering abyss.” Whoops!

        Hopefully Democrats have finally learned that "When they go low, we go high" hasn't been working. The only thing Republicans understand is Tit for Tat

        6 votes
        1. [3]
          Bet
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          What does this phrase mean to you? I’ve seen people refer with derision to it before, but I’ve never understood why. I’m assuming that I must be misunderstanding something here, so I thought I...

          Hopefully Democrats have finally learned that "When they go low, we go high" hasn't been working.

          What does this phrase mean to you? I’ve seen people refer with derision to it before, but I’ve never understood why. I’m assuming that I must be misunderstanding something here, so I thought I might as well simply ask.

          For what it’s worth, I’ve always found it reminiscent of that famous Churchill line: “You do your worst, and we will do our best.” It has never struck me as weak or placating at all, but it touches such a nerve with others that this must not be what it is being associated with.

          1 vote
          1. stu2b50
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            Not OP, but in the context of the thread, it would be the previous state of affairs: republican states gerrymandered the fuck out of their seats, meanwhile California had a law that required...

            Not OP, but in the context of the thread, it would be the previous state of affairs: republican states gerrymandered the fuck out of their seats, meanwhile California had a law that required districts be created by an independent third-paty.

            Republicans went low (gerrymandering, which removes the relative voting power of particular populations), Democats went high (explicitly made sure their states were maximally fair by using algorithmic or independent districting).

            The weaknesses is that means that Republicans are disproportionately powerful in the House and in state elections.

            10 votes
  5. [6]
    TheRtRevKaiser
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    I wasn't sure the most appropriate place to post this article about Palantir's Manifesto that was posted over the weekend. There's nothing particularly surprising here if you've read much about...

    I wasn't sure the most appropriate place to post this article about Palantir's Manifesto that was posted over the weekend. There's nothing particularly surprising here if you've read much about Thiel's particular brand of Yarvinite madness, but it is surprising in how mask-off it is about a number of things.

    1. Free email is not enough. The decadence of a culture or civilization, and indeed its ruling class, will be forgiven only if that culture is capable of delivering economic growth and security for the public.

    This statement isn't the most extreme or specific, maybe, but it was the most surprising to me in that it seems to state plainly the feeling of this group that they are the "ruling class" of America.

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      skybrian
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      I think point 6 is pretty concerning: Apparently everyone should be a cog in the military machine. The connection from there to Congress doing something about unnecessary wars seems pretty indirect.

      I think point 6 is pretty concerning:

      1. National service should be a universal duty. We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost.

      Apparently everyone should be a cog in the military machine. The connection from there to Congress doing something about unnecessary wars seems pretty indirect.

      7 votes
      1. TheRtRevKaiser
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        Yeah I've been seeing a lot of chatter about reinstating a draft coming from the right recently, which is deeply concerning to me.

        Yeah I've been seeing a lot of chatter about reinstating a draft coming from the right recently, which is deeply concerning to me.

        4 votes
    2. [3]
      skybrian
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      Yes, it does seem like overheated ideological nonsense, but it seems like that quote is ambiguous on who the “ruling class” is. Also, who will do the forgiving and what do they mean by...

      Yes, it does seem like overheated ideological nonsense, but it seems like that quote is ambiguous on who the “ruling class” is. Also, who will do the forgiving and what do they mean by “decadence?” It seems like it was written to sound impressive rather than to be clear, but it’s basically a defense of being a defense contractor.

      Lockheed is a defense contractor too and they don’t seem to have any need to publish overheated manifestos? They just keep building weapons. If someone goes to work for them, they know what they’re signing up for.

      But assuming a defense of being a defense contractor is necessary, it’s not hard to justify. Most countries have a military. They’re going to have defense contractors, because someone has to make the weapons.

      A defense contractor making artillery shells or missiles doesn’t get a say in whether they get shipped to Ukraine or are used in some more dubious cause. I wouldn’t want to work on that, but I also don’t want Ukraine to run short on artillery shells, because I don’t want the Russians to win. So I guess I’m happy that there are military contractors?

      The upshot is that if you work for a military contractor, you end up as a cog in the military-industrial complex and someone else gives the orders. That’s why a lot of people don’t want to work for defense contractors and that should be okay too.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        TheRtRevKaiser
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        Given the sentence about free email pointing toward silicon valley, and other places in the post where they point toward a perceived need for silicon valley to take more of a lead in defense and...

        Given the sentence about free email pointing toward silicon valley, and other places in the post where they point toward a perceived need for silicon valley to take more of a lead in defense and crime prevention (plus prior knowledge of the kinds of thought these yahoos are immersed in) I feel pretty comfortable with my reading of that section. Could be that I'm wrong.

        6 votes
        1. skybrian
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          I think that’s a reference to Google, which provides free email and pulled out of Project Maven after employee protests. They want to pretend that they are somehow superior for working on Project...

          I think that’s a reference to Google, which provides free email and pulled out of Project Maven after employee protests.

          They want to pretend that they are somehow superior for working on Project Maven.

          And I don’t see why that market can’t be left to defense contractors. No company has to do everything, not even big tech companies.

          2 votes
  6. skybrian
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    Trump fires all 24 members of the U.S. National Science Foundation’s governing body But it's not like they were being listened to anymore anyway: ...

    Trump fires all 24 members of the U.S. National Science Foundation’s governing body

    But it's not like they were being listened to anymore anyway:

    The White House’s decision last month to ask Congress to give NSF $900 million next year for a new Antarctic research icebreaker is another example of how the Trump administration’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) has prevented the board from meeting its obligations, says Stassun, who until yesterday chaired the group’s committee on large research facilities.

    “OMB basically said very directly to NSF’s chief of research facilities that ‘you will build a new research vessel,’ and there was no involvement by the board, which is required to approve and authorize any major infrastructure investment by NSF,” Stassun notes. “And when the board asked, the response was, ‘Well, OMB was very clear in its directive.’”

    ...

    Lofgren worries Trump will “fill the NSB with MAGA loyalists who won't stand up to him.” But Stassun believes it doesn’t matter whether Trump restocks the board or leaves its positions unfilled. As proof, he points to the increasingly awkward conversations in the last year between the board and NSF’s top two officials: Brian Stone, Panchanathan’s former chief of staff and now designated NSF head, and Micah Cheatham, its chief management officer.

    “We would ask them, ‘Are you following board governance directives?’” Stassun says. “And their answer would be, in effect, ‘We don't listen to you anymore.’”

    4 votes