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Elon Musk on racism, bailing out Donald Trump, hate speech, and more - The Don Lemon Show (full interview)

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    fastpicket
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    Video Summary From briefly scrubbing the video, every time Recall's summary app says 'Musk provides evidence' or 'Musk cites statistics', it seems to be bullshit. He says things like 'I've seen a...
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    From briefly scrubbing the video, every time Recall's summary app says 'Musk provides evidence' or 'Musk cites statistics', it seems to be bullshit. He says things like 'I've seen a study' etc, so just like any AI summary, it's quite limited in any analysis of tone, body language, or facts.

    Elon Musk on Racism, Bailing Out Trump, Hate Speech, and More - The Don Lemon Show (Full Interview), created by putting the video through Recall's summarizer.

    Intro (00:00:00)

    • Don Lemon introduces his interview with Elon Musk and explains that it will be released on various platforms without restrictions or ground rules.
    • Musk welcomes Lemon to Tesla headquarters in Austin, Texas, and mentions the company's rapid construction project.
    • Musk affirms his stance as a free speech absolutist, allowing for the widest possible range of expression within legal boundaries.
    • Lemon emphasizes that there are no conditions on the interview and that he welcomes Musk's willingness to engage in a lengthy conversation without sound bites.
    • Musk clarifies that SpaceX has a significant facility in South Texas for building and launching SpaceX Starship, while Tesla plans to start production at a large Starlink factory near Austin.
    • He assures that there will be no closures of facilities in California.

    News on X (00:02:23)

    • Elon Musk considers Twitter the primary source of news and information globally, particularly for real-time events.
    • Twitter is expanding its content offerings to include long-form posts, essays, entire books, and up to 4-hour video segments.
    • Musk emphasizes the importance of diverse viewpoints on Twitter and aims to include prominent figures from across the political spectrum, allowing users to form their own opinions.
    • Despite identifying as independent, Musk votes based on issues rather than political affiliations.
    • The name change from Twitter to X is permanent.
    • Since his acquisition, Musk highlights improvements such as increased usage, added features like long-form text, video, and audio calling, and algorithm enhancements.
    • Musk dismisses the notion of Twitter becoming a platform for conservative views and conspiracy theories, reaffirming his commitment to all viewpoints.
    • Musk criticizes the previous management for alleged bias towards the far-left, citing his personal experience with hate tweets and conspiracy theories from right-wing users.
    • Musk reveals a significant disparity in account suspensions and suppressions, with right-wing accounts being affected ten times more than left-wing accounts.
    • Musk points out the overwhelmingly Democratic political donations by Twitter employees, indicating a strong left-leaning bias within the company.

    Donald Trump and Endorsing a Candidate (00:10:07)

    • Elon Musk met with Donald Trump at a friend's place for breakfast.
    • Musk stated that he did not go there to meet Trump.
    • Trump did most of the talking during the breakfast.
    • Musk stated that Trump did not ask him for money or a donation.
    • Musk mentioned that he does not plan to donate to any candidate.
    • He does not want to influence the election monetarily.
    • Musk will not loan money to Trump to pay his bills or legal expenses.
    • Musk might endorse a candidate in the final stretch before the election, but he has not decided yet.
    • He is leaning away from Joe Biden but has not made a secret of that.
    • Musk's decision to not endorse anyone is not related to concerns about losing his security clearance if Biden is reelected.
    • Musk clarified that not endorsing anyone does not mean it is an endorsement of Trump since there are other potential candidates.
    • He will provide a detailed explanation if he decides to endorse a candidate.
    • Musk thinks it is unlikely that he will contribute or donate to any candidate.

    The New Tesla Roadster (00:13:04)

    • The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling car globally in 2022, despite being more expensive than competitors.
    • The Tesla Cybertruck has over a million orders and is considered a once-a-decade product.
    • The Tesla Roadster (second generation) will be a collaboration between SpaceX and Tesla, Inc., featuring rocket technology.
    • It will accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in under 1 second, making it faster than any existing sports car.
    • The Roadster will have a drive-by-wire yoke similar to modern aircraft controls.
    • Elon Musk believes the Roadster will be unique and unlikely to be replicated by others.

    Relaxation and Video Games (00:16:46)

    • Elon Musk relaxes by spending time with his children and friends.
    • He enjoys playing video games, including Diablo and Quake.
    • Musk appreciates the ability to play online with friends in different cities.

    Tweeting and Drug Use (00:17:54)

    • Elon Musk uses Twitter as a "player versus player" platform and sometimes posts controversial content while sober.
    • He occasionally uses ketamine, prescribed by a doctor, to help with negative chemical states in his brain and believes it should be considered as an alternative to Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) for depression.
    • Musk takes ketamine in small amounts once every other week and does not abuse it.
    • He attributes his occasional depressive mind states to genetics and does not consider it a chronic condition.
    • Musk does not believe his mental health issues will affect his government contracts, clearances, or Wall Street's perception of him, as his focus is on execution and value creation.

    The Great Replacement Theory (00:23:19)

    • Elon Musk discussed immigration policies and the "Great Replacement" on "The Don Lemon Show."
    • Musk clarified that he does not endorse the "great replacement theory" but believes the Democratic Party benefit from immigration policies that increase legal immigrants in the United States, as they tend to vote Democrat and can influence electoral outcomes.
    • Musk acknowledged that his understanding of the impact of illegal immigrants on the census and electoral votes may be inaccurate.
    • Musk stated that he had previously apologized for posting about a conspiracy theory targeting Jews related to the "great replacement theory", and stated that he would be "cautious" about making similar statements in the future.
    • Musk stated that he believes some groups funded by Jewish philanthropists are indeed anti-semitic and drew a connection between the original targeting of Jewish people by the "great replacement theory" and its current use by Democrats.
    • Musk emphasized that the "great replacement theory" is a Neo-Nazism trope referenced in several extremist manifestos, including those of the Buffalo and Christchurch mass shooters.
    • Musk defended quoting a tweet that referred to a "Hispanic invasion," stating that quoting something does not imply agreement with its content.

    Content Moderation (00:30:03)

    • Elon Musk believes that the media is not a good judge of character and that people should not care about their opinions.
    • Musk supports the use of Community Notes for content moderation and believes Twitter has a responsibility to follow the law and be transparent about its content display.
    • Musk disputes research suggesting an increase in hate speech on Twitter since his takeover, claiming a decrease in hateful content views.
    • He advocates for moderation and transparency rather than censorship, drawing a distinction between illegal content (which Twitter removes) and harmful but legal hateful content.
    • Musk emphasizes his commitment to freedom of speech and opposes censorship beyond legal boundaries, arguing that removing non-illegal content promoting hate and violence would constitute censorship.
    • He believes Twitter should adhere to the laws set by citizens and encourages those seeking legal changes to engage with their elected representatives.
    • Musk acknowledges the presence of hateful content on Twitter but argues that its low readership renders it inconsequential.
    • He suggests that Twitter's vast size and open posting policy contribute to the existence of hate speech on the platform rather than active promotion by Twitter.
    • Musk rejects the idea of shutting down the internet or Twitter, reaffirming his support for freedom of speech, even for those he disagrees with.
    • He recognizes the need for guardrails and Twitter's responsibility to comply with the law.

    Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) (00:39:15)

    • Elon Musk warned that lowering medical standards due to Diversity, Equity, and Unclusion (DEI) programs could lead to increased medical errors and potential patient harm.
    • EDIT TO CORRECT Lemon disputes claims that standards are being lowered for minority or women doctors at Duke University, citing specific evidence to the contrary.
    • Musk pivots to the importance of maintaining high standards in the airline industry, particularly in light of incidents like the Alaska Airlines mid-flight door malfunction.
    • Lemon rejected the notion that women and minority pilots are inherently less intelligent or skilled than white male pilots and stresses the significance of evaluating individuals based on their skills and merits.
    • Musk cites statistics that indicate a low percentage of female and black pilots.
    • Musk stated that he was for treating people based on their skills, integrity, and talents rather than implementing DEI initiatives.
    • He cites studies suggesting that companies with diverse leadership teams and workers report higher innovation and financial success, countering the argument that promoting DEI leads to financial losses.
    • In response to a lawsuit alleging racial harassment and retaliation against black Tesla, Inc. employees, Musk expresses surprise and highlights the positive atmosphere at the Tesla Fremont Factory plant, where he resided for three years.

    Trans Rights and the Woke Mind Virus (00:51:25)

    • Elon Musk believes that the term "woke" has become divisive and corrosive to society as it blames everything on race.
    • He suggests that society should focus on treating people as individuals and move on from constantly rehashing the past.
    • Musk acknowledges the legacy of slavery and racism in the United States but believes that constantly talking about it will not solve the issue.
    • He supports free speech absolutism and believes that people should be able to choose their gender identity and pronouns without being mandated to do so by others.
    • Musk recognizes that opportunities are not equal for everyone and that he has experienced discrimination despite being a white man in South Africa.
    • He considers the "woke mind virus" to be fundamentally racist, sexist, and evil because it focuses on gender and race rather than people's skills and integrity.

    Advertisers on X (00:59:45)

    • Elon Musk prioritizes preserving freedom of speech on Twitter, even if it means losing advertising revenue, and most advertisers are returning, leading to rising advertising and subscription revenues.
    • Musk attributes his intensity to his upbringing and believes his purpose is to extend consciousness into the future and make life multiplanetary.
    • Despite personal challenges, Musk considers his family life to be okay and hopes to be remembered for his positive impact on humanity.
    • Musk emphasizes the fragility of civilization and the importance of preserving and extending it, driven by concerns about civilizational risks and a desire to understand the nature of reality.
    • Acknowledging past mistakes, Musk would use a time machine to rectify them if possible.
    55 votes
    1. elight
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      Above and beyond! I thought someone may write a small paragraph!

      Above and beyond! I thought someone may write a small paragraph!

      7 votes
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      blindmikey
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      It seems many times you reference Musk but meant Lemon.

      It seems many times you reference Musk but meant Lemon.

      4 votes
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        1. blindmikey
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          Absolutely no need to spend any more time on this. It was just a few. Like: Which makes Musk sound better than he actually did because he was arguing that DEI was lowering standards. I think this...

          Absolutely no need to spend any more time on this. It was just a few. Like:

          "Musk disputes claims that standards are being lowered for minority or women doctors at Duke University, citing unsupplied evidence to the contrary."

          Which makes Musk sound better than he actually did because he was arguing that DEI was lowering standards.

          I think this is fine enough for people to take the summary with a grain of salt. Thanks for putting this together so less people have to listen to that blowhard!

          6 votes
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    somewaffles
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    The conversation around the 33 minute mark is insane. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm an expert on moderation or running a major social media website, but he shows such a lack of...

    "Moderation is a propaganda word for censorship."

    The conversation around the 33 minute mark is insane. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm an expert on moderation or running a major social media website, but he shows such a lack of understanding of how online communities and discourse work, I'm baffled.

    I know it is next to impossible to remove all hate speech from their platform, but he (Musk) goes back and forth between admitting their content policy claims to forbid hate speech and then in the same sentence claiming he's against all forms of censorship and doesn't think it's their responsibility to remove it.

    I know the guy is probably knowledgeable in certain things (I also know this is very up for debate, I don't follow him super closely) but he 100% should not be in charge of the worlds most used "news website". For someone who shitposts so much, you'd think he would be more familiar with the more edgy places on the internet, but its extremely apparent he doesn't understand how abysmal unmoderated spaces can become.

    19 votes
    1. Gaywallet
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      I don't think he views these places as abysmal like you do. Most of the folks online who advocate for free speech come from or have visited some of the worst places on the internet when it comes...

      its extremely apparent he doesn't understand how abysmal unmoderated spaces can become.

      I don't think he views these places as abysmal like you do. Most of the folks online who advocate for free speech come from or have visited some of the worst places on the internet when it comes to hate speech. In many cases they view the hateful speech as perfectly fine, or just an opinion someone is sharing, because they do not directly experience the negative social and mental effects it has. Some of the content which is hate speech wrapped up into a meme or a joke with a punchline practically indistinguishable from just overt bigotry makes them laugh or isn't even considered a threat at all.

      The reason he's seesawing back and forth on forbidding hate speech and being against all forms of censorship is that he recognizes that saying just the latter is now in vogue. The social acceptance of hate speech has gone down in recent years and there's been a huge focus on hateful speech on online platforms, because these platforms lack strong mechanisms to push back against hate speech. Showing up to a hate rally in person means that you are declaring your hate in a way that can be traced back to you. You could encounter protestors who may hurl insults or even throw fists your direction. There's direct consequences to your actions. On an online platform, however, there's a level of distance - you're isolated from nearly all direct action unless you decide to stake your claim in the bigotry and post it somewhere it's tied to your identity or you make hateful enough claims that people sleuth it out.

      11 votes
    2. zenen
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      Yea, I don't think he's wrong - just hypocritical. As far as I know, Twitter is moderated against anti-Twitter sentiment. I also think that unmoderated, free speech platforms will be awful at...

      Yea, I don't think he's wrong - just hypocritical. As far as I know, Twitter is moderated against anti-Twitter sentiment.

      I also think that unmoderated, free speech platforms will be awful at times. People have hatefulness within them, and expressing it / having it validated feels good. It's not fun to look at hatred, but it is important. The only way that we can actually deal with that hate rather than allowing it to fester in people is to be able to accommodate it and be able to provide fair counterpoints about why their hatred is unnecessary. Honestly though, it's really difficult to do that when people can hide behind anonymity.

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    MimicSquid
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    This is especially worth watching because this was the interview that caused Musk to axe Lemon's show immediately afterwards.

    This is especially worth watching because this was the interview that caused Musk to axe Lemon's show immediately afterwards.

    15 votes
    1. stu2b50
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      I don't think it's cancelled entirely, just the deal that Lemon's show would be X exclusive.

      I don't think it's cancelled entirely, just the deal that Lemon's show would be X exclusive.

      10 votes
  4. Parliament
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    Here are the topics they cover in this interview: 00:00 - Intro 02:23 – News on X 10:07 – Donald Trump and Endorsing a Candidate 13:04 – The New Tesla Roadster 16:46 – Relaxation and Video Games...

    Here are the topics they cover in this interview:

    00:00 - Intro
    02:23 – News on X
    10:07 – Donald Trump and Endorsing a Candidate
    13:04 – The New Tesla Roadster
    16:46 – Relaxation and Video Games
    17:54 – Tweeting and Drug Use
    23:19 – The Great Replacement Theory
    30:03 – Content Moderation
    39:15 – Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
    51:25 – Trans Rights and the Woke Mind Virus
    59:45 – Advertisers on X

    8 votes
  5. streblo
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    I haven't watched the interview and probably won't. But one interesting thing I saw was someone had retweeted Don Lemon's X post of the video and I checked out the comments: just an absolute sea...

    I haven't watched the interview and probably won't. But one interesting thing I saw was someone had retweeted Don Lemon's X post of the video and I checked out the comments: just an absolute sea of Musk fans with Twitter Blue as far as I could scroll. Even if we assume they're all real people it seems only the people who pay for Twitter Blue get to be part of the visible conversation and unsurprisingly that group of people is (at least predominantly) rabidly pro-Musk.

    8 votes
  6. elight
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    Can we get a TL;DW for those of us who can't bear to listen to Musk any more?

    Can we get a TL;DW for those of us who can't bear to listen to Musk any more?

    13 votes