That’s a bold take from the guy selling those “readily available tools”, doubly so given that what the researchers have done here is less the work of an evil mastermind and more a totally...
“They have not only demonstrated their point but also unintentionally provided a blueprint for malicious individuals on how to weaponize readily available tools,” PimEyes Director Giorgi Gobronidze told Biometric Update.
That’s a bold take from the guy selling those “readily available tools”, doubly so given that what the researchers have done here is less the work of an evil mastermind and more a totally self-evident thing you could do with that tool. The same UI literally exists in Terminator 2, it’s not like this was unexpected now the tech exists…
Came to say the same thing, maybe those "readily available tools" shouldn't be readily fucking available? Or was it someone else's job (who didn't work on the tools) to figure this one out for...
Came to say the same thing, maybe those "readily available tools" shouldn't be readily fucking available? Or was it someone else's job (who didn't work on the tools) to figure this one out for them?
This is like building nukes with the launch attached to cow clicker, and then getting upset when someone figures out clicking the cow launches a nuke.
Yeah the idea that bad actors are waiting around for college kids to prototype tools like this to show them the way is completely absurd. If anything the message we should be taking away here is...
Yeah the idea that bad actors are waiting around for college kids to prototype tools like this to show them the way is completely absurd.
If anything the message we should be taking away here is that if a couple kids can do this, we can assume this kind of tool already exists in the hands of governments and corporations and is probably at least 10x more sophisticated. I don't know anything about PimEyes, but I bet they're putting out this kind of hand wavy messaging to misdirect from the thought that they're probably already up to their necks powering exactly this kind of technology for private clients.
For those that missed it, some students integrated facial recognition tech with Meta smart glasses and built an app which would pull up personal details of people they encounter on the street....
For those that missed it, some students integrated facial recognition tech with Meta smart glasses and built an app which would pull up personal details of people they encounter on the street. Video here. The facial recognition company, PimEyes, is not happy about it.
I just did some light research on PimEyes... they have 0 moral high ground to be upset. I tried to opt out of their stupid image search database and they require a picture of your photo ID to opt...
I just did some light research on PimEyes... they have 0 moral high ground to be upset. I tried to opt out of their stupid image search database and they require a picture of your photo ID to opt out, no other sleazy "people lookup" site does this shit (probably because its illegal.) What a huge piece of shit company.
Did anyone seriously think this was avoidable? Welcome to the new era of stalkers that can just glance at you and dox you. I'm gonna start selling burqas with pockets with a faraday-cage insert,...
Did anyone seriously think this was avoidable?
Welcome to the new era of stalkers that can just glance at you and dox you.
I'm gonna start selling burqas with pockets with a faraday-cage insert, reflective hoods with anti-camera infrared LEDs, and optional water-cooled brazier brassiere.
I'm sure I'll get raided and disappeared before the first preorders go out.
That is absolutely fascinating, thank you! I knew enough to vaguely know that group and phase velocity can get weird, but I had no idea we'd got this level of measurement or this kind of result.
That is absolutely fascinating, thank you! I knew enough to vaguely know that group and phase velocity can get weird, but I had no idea we'd got this level of measurement or this kind of result.
Assuming it's not all some variation that could be accounted for by error, it is both fascinating and terrifying. Based on the link to the book you posted I am guessing you know why xD.
Assuming it's not all some variation that could be accounted for by error, it is both fascinating and terrifying. Based on the link to the book you posted I am guessing you know why xD.
Thankfully I don’t think there’s any possibility of information transfer in the “time travelling” photon - I’m very rusty on this stuff but I took a glance at the paper and it seems to be a...
Thankfully I don’t think there’s any possibility of information transfer in the “time travelling” photon - I’m very rusty on this stuff but I took a glance at the paper and it seems to be a situation where the effect only exists after photon is observed in the context of the group as a whole (including the slower components), because… quantum, and stuff. The fact it (apparently) exists and is detectable at all is still amazing, though!
Yeah my knowledge stops at undergrad engineering physics + Feynman lectures, so I didn't understand completely. Seems that they may have at least slightly proven that photons move whichever way...
Yeah my knowledge stops at undergrad engineering physics + Feynman lectures, so I didn't understand completely. Seems that they may have at least slightly proven that photons move whichever way they need to in time, that's about all I got from it.
The time travelling bits of information is from me reading too much sci-fi...
This sentence is hilarious, and also sad because of how possible it could be I wonder if there any covert technology that could counter these meta glasses. I feel like not, as it would likely...
I'm gonna start selling burqas with pockets with a faraday-cage insert, reflective hoods with anti-camera infrared LEDs, and optional water-cooled brazier.
This sentence is hilarious, and also sad because of how possible it could be
I wonder if there any covert technology that could counter these meta glasses. I feel like not, as it would likely require some sort of electromagnetic field
You ever shine an IR remote at your phone camera? Now put one that's 5x as powerful one either side if your face. It's pretty covert to human eyes if you mount them nicely in some frames, or maybe...
You ever shine an IR remote at your phone camera? Now put one that's 5x as powerful one either side if your face. It's pretty covert to human eyes if you mount them nicely in some frames, or maybe as hair clips.
Won't be covert to anybody using a camera, but they sure as shit won't be able to identify you with their AR device.
The only other option is full face cover, ideally with a randomly-varying height adjustment. Even less subtle unless you get at least 10% of the population doing it.
I got these neat Daft Punk helmets for Halloween, they're large enough to put some anti-surviellance gear in them.
This is cool. I was reading about people being photographed / doxxed by protesters at abortion clinics and thinking about something like this as a solution.
This is cool. I was reading about people being photographed / doxxed by protesters at abortion clinics and thinking about something like this as a solution.
You’ve reminded me to post a video I saw the other day - he manages to get right down to reading his own pulse through a webcam feed, so I hate to think how much info a determined party can...
You’ve reminded me to post a video I saw the other day - he manages to get right down to reading his own pulse through a webcam feed, so I hate to think how much info a determined party can actually infer through a camera nowadays.
I've always been incapable of properly spelling words: brassiere. The main reason for inclusion is that my wife demands a water-cooled bra, and I figure working it into this ensemble is probably...
I've always been incapable of properly spelling words: brassiere.
The main reason for inclusion is that my wife demands a water-cooled bra, and I figure working it into this ensemble is probably the best chance of getting it working.
I figure I'll have the market of "women whose underboobs rarely drop below 102F" locked up for years.
What I find interesting is this device, this software integration to these glasses, didn't do anything "new." It just captured information that was already out there to be captured. They simply...
What I find interesting is this device, this software integration to these glasses, didn't do anything "new." It just captured information that was already out there to be captured. They simply tapped existing databases. So all they did was add a cute front-end. And everyone's freaking out about privacy.
The time to freak out about privacy was earlier, when the databases were built. Now that they exist, now that they're populated ... it's too late. The data's there. And data in the 21st Century is often more valuable than physical reality, because the data can impact reality. So not only is the data going to stay, but they're not going to stop collecting it either.
Too much money is involved, and will make sure the data keeps flowing.
But now, only now, people are "omg privacy stop staaaaaappphhhh" just because there's an easy auto-lookup feature that's been added to the data.
This is the world everyone's decided they want to live in. They want things to be easy. Frictionless. They want to just click accept on the click-wrappers everything's been rolled up in for the last two decades, the wrappers that require you to sign everything away. They didn't want to push back against data collection and data sales and data analysis about the population.
Your phone tracks everything. The stupidest, most irrelevant apps require all the permissions. Websites load in cookies and scripts and follow you around. All of it flows into The Databases. They take a handful of details from you and feed them into The Databases to instantly form holistic pictures of you, your family, your everything. None of that's new; been happening for years and years.
It was just "quieter" than it is with something like image lookup. You had to know which website to go to, fill out their form, give them a credit card, make a phone call to one of their data salespeople and wait for the email to arrive with the complete data dump of your next door neighbor or all the redheaded left handed bridge players who went to a top 50 college between 1995 and 2002 who currently drive an American car.
The data has value. Everyone's let every corporation in the world, starting with America, index the hell out of their every single piece of existence. Not a new thing, not a new problem. Been happening for a long time now.
But these glasses, oh those are the problem. Evil, destroy. The data ... eh, whatever, we want our convenience. We want the phone to instantly give us directions, automatically know if we type in a multifunction word on search which meaning we prefer, pay for all of it electronically so each and every purchase can be tabulated, and all the other little creepy things that having our entire life profile stored in The Database makes so easy to just be so easy for us.
Everyone wanted the future. This is it. Mellow greetings citizen, what seems to be your boggle?
I agree 100%. There is an inherit paradox of public records. You do want many records to be public...the problem is that if you aggregate all of the public records automatically, it becomes a huge...
I agree 100%.
There is an inherit paradox of public records. You do want many records to be public...the problem is that if you aggregate all of the public records automatically, it becomes a huge privacy problem. It was harder to do this back when public records mostly required showing up in person.
I don't know if there's an easy way of reconciling this. Perhaps never permitting guest access, that you must have proof of residency, application process describing need, and some degree of professional certification (ie lawyer, investigative journalist, or criminal investigator) to gain and maintain access.
Part of it is that we're just paying for all the tech debt of using usernames for passwords, ala SSN.
That’s a bold take from the guy selling those “readily available tools”, doubly so given that what the researchers have done here is less the work of an evil mastermind and more a totally self-evident thing you could do with that tool. The same UI literally exists in Terminator 2, it’s not like this was unexpected now the tech exists…
Came to say the same thing, maybe those "readily available tools" shouldn't be readily fucking available? Or was it someone else's job (who didn't work on the tools) to figure this one out for them?
This is like building nukes with the launch attached to cow clicker, and then getting upset when someone figures out clicking the cow launches a nuke.
Yeah the idea that bad actors are waiting around for college kids to prototype tools like this to show them the way is completely absurd.
If anything the message we should be taking away here is that if a couple kids can do this, we can assume this kind of tool already exists in the hands of governments and corporations and is probably at least 10x more sophisticated. I don't know anything about PimEyes, but I bet they're putting out this kind of hand wavy messaging to misdirect from the thought that they're probably already up to their necks powering exactly this kind of technology for private clients.
For those that missed it, some students integrated facial recognition tech with Meta smart glasses and built an app which would pull up personal details of people they encounter on the street. Video here. The facial recognition company, PimEyes, is not happy about it.
I just did some light research on PimEyes... they have 0 moral high ground to be upset. I tried to opt out of their stupid image search database and they require a picture of your photo ID to opt out, no other sleazy "people lookup" site does this shit (probably because its illegal.) What a huge piece of shit company.
Did anyone seriously think this was avoidable?
Welcome to the new era of stalkers that can just glance at you and dox you.
I'm gonna start selling burqas with pockets with a faraday-cage insert, reflective hoods with anti-camera infrared LEDs, and optional water-cooled
brazierbrassiere.I'm sure I'll get raided and disappeared before the first preorders go out.
I don’t suppose you’ve read The Light of Other Days recently, by any chance?
No but it's in the queue now!
In that case I shall say no more for the moment!
Interesting, thanks!
(and thanks for not linking to %!@##@ amazon)
Man, didn't we just get a photon to be emitted before it was received? Scifi is legitimately becoming real.
Wait seriously?! I missed that one - do you have a link?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2448067-light-has-been-seen-leaving-an-atom-cloud-before-it-entered/
better link?:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-of-negative-time-found-in-quantum-physics-experiment/
This one seems to not revert to a paywall when under observation:
https://www.scihb.com/2024/09/light-has-been-seen-leaving-atom-cloud.html?m=1
That is absolutely fascinating, thank you! I knew enough to vaguely know that group and phase velocity can get weird, but I had no idea we'd got this level of measurement or this kind of result.
Assuming it's not all some variation that could be accounted for by error, it is both fascinating and terrifying. Based on the link to the book you posted I am guessing you know why xD.
Thankfully I don’t think there’s any possibility of information transfer in the “time travelling” photon - I’m very rusty on this stuff but I took a glance at the paper and it seems to be a situation where the effect only exists after photon is observed in the context of the group as a whole (including the slower components), because… quantum, and stuff. The fact it (apparently) exists and is detectable at all is still amazing, though!
Yeah my knowledge stops at undergrad engineering physics + Feynman lectures, so I didn't understand completely. Seems that they may have at least slightly proven that photons move whichever way they need to in time, that's about all I got from it.
The time travelling bits of information is from me reading too much sci-fi...
This sentence is hilarious, and also sad because of how possible it could be
I wonder if there any covert technology that could counter these meta glasses. I feel like not, as it would likely require some sort of electromagnetic field
You ever shine an IR remote at your phone camera? Now put one that's 5x as powerful one either side if your face. It's pretty covert to human eyes if you mount them nicely in some frames, or maybe as hair clips.
Won't be covert to anybody using a camera, but they sure as shit won't be able to identify you with their AR device.
The only other option is full face cover, ideally with a randomly-varying height adjustment. Even less subtle unless you get at least 10% of the population doing it.
I got these neat Daft Punk helmets for Halloween, they're large enough to put some anti-surviellance gear in them.
Working concept: https://beccaricks.space/Unidentified-Halo
(sigh)
This is cool. I was reading about people being photographed / doxxed by protesters at abortion clinics and thinking about something like this as a solution.
Ok, but what about gait recognition. China already uses it.
Maybe the Ministry of Silly Walks could weigh in on that?
I had considered that we might all end up having to walk like Fremen.
You’ve reminded me to post a video I saw the other day - he manages to get right down to reading his own pulse through a webcam feed, so I hate to think how much info a determined party can actually infer through a camera nowadays.
Soon it'll be DNA plus every wrong decision your forebears made xD
It is funny, I'm just wondering how a brazier fits with the ensemble. Do you tow it behind you, or..?
I've always been incapable of properly spelling words: brassiere.
The main reason for inclusion is that my wife demands a water-cooled bra, and I figure working it into this ensemble is probably the best chance of getting it working.
I figure I'll have the market of "women whose underboobs rarely drop below 102F" locked up for years.
Ahh, got it! That makes more sense lol. Thanks.
https://petapixel.com/2023/01/20/this-clothing-line-tricks-ai-cameras-without-covering-your-face/
You’re in good company.
What I find interesting is this device, this software integration to these glasses, didn't do anything "new." It just captured information that was already out there to be captured. They simply tapped existing databases. So all they did was add a cute front-end. And everyone's freaking out about privacy.
The time to freak out about privacy was earlier, when the databases were built. Now that they exist, now that they're populated ... it's too late. The data's there. And data in the 21st Century is often more valuable than physical reality, because the data can impact reality. So not only is the data going to stay, but they're not going to stop collecting it either.
Too much money is involved, and will make sure the data keeps flowing.
But now, only now, people are "omg privacy stop staaaaaappphhhh" just because there's an easy auto-lookup feature that's been added to the data.
This is the world everyone's decided they want to live in. They want things to be easy. Frictionless. They want to just click accept on the click-wrappers everything's been rolled up in for the last two decades, the wrappers that require you to sign everything away. They didn't want to push back against data collection and data sales and data analysis about the population.
Your phone tracks everything. The stupidest, most irrelevant apps require all the permissions. Websites load in cookies and scripts and follow you around. All of it flows into The Databases. They take a handful of details from you and feed them into The Databases to instantly form holistic pictures of you, your family, your everything. None of that's new; been happening for years and years.
It was just "quieter" than it is with something like image lookup. You had to know which website to go to, fill out their form, give them a credit card, make a phone call to one of their data salespeople and wait for the email to arrive with the complete data dump of your next door neighbor or all the redheaded left handed bridge players who went to a top 50 college between 1995 and 2002 who currently drive an American car.
The data has value. Everyone's let every corporation in the world, starting with America, index the hell out of their every single piece of existence. Not a new thing, not a new problem. Been happening for a long time now.
But these glasses, oh those are the problem. Evil, destroy. The data ... eh, whatever, we want our convenience. We want the phone to instantly give us directions, automatically know if we type in a multifunction word on search which meaning we prefer, pay for all of it electronically so each and every purchase can be tabulated, and all the other little creepy things that having our entire life profile stored in The Database makes so easy to just be so easy for us.
Everyone wanted the future. This is it. Mellow greetings citizen, what seems to be your boggle?
I agree 100%.
There is an inherit paradox of public records. You do want many records to be public...the problem is that if you aggregate all of the public records automatically, it becomes a huge privacy problem. It was harder to do this back when public records mostly required showing up in person.
I don't know if there's an easy way of reconciling this. Perhaps never permitting guest access, that you must have proof of residency, application process describing need, and some degree of professional certification (ie lawyer, investigative journalist, or criminal investigator) to gain and maintain access.
Part of it is that we're just paying for all the tech debt of using usernames for passwords, ala SSN.
In the Google Doc they published, they have instructions on how to remove yourself from the services they use to identify people and get their data.