Uh huh... So i'll be sticking with firefox for the foreseeable future, except on my iphone where I cede to orion for now. Edit This is more glib than i'd like. I just get all sorts of nasty vibes...
Uh huh...
So i'll be sticking with firefox for the foreseeable future, except on my iphone where I cede to orion for now.
Edit
This is more glib than i'd like. I just get all sorts of nasty vibes from this. "Supporters for Chromium based browsers"....as if you need a movement for that? It's the defacto standard to the point that almost all development for everything else is seen as a niche skill.
Maybe there's good intent behind all this, but dear god does it come off as some sort of dystopian "Support for the Party/Great leader!" spiel. I hate that a very likely end game for google is choking the browser market enough they can start being more hostile to ad blockers and better integrating them.
They aren't the de facto standard for default web browser on Linux distros as far as I'm aware, I figure the point of the fund is to pay distros to ship with a Chromium flavor.
They aren't the de facto standard for default web browser on Linux distros as far as I'm aware, I figure the point of the fund is to pay distros to ship with a Chromium flavor.
Before this post I would have said no. But I'm also reminded of strategies I borrowed from Amazon when I played World of Warcraft and cornered the health potion market on my server. I'd lose gold...
Before this post I would have said no.
But I'm also reminded of strategies I borrowed from Amazon when I played World of Warcraft and cornered the health potion market on my server. I'd lose gold to push out even minor competition because in the long term I made a lot more from total market dominance since then I could pump prices.
So while this isn't one to one, I can also see them wanting every crumb of the pie.
Looks to me like an industry association, not a movement. Apparently Facebook, Microsoft, and Opera want to put some money into maintaining their common code base, and they want a neutral...
Looks to me like an industry association, not a movement. Apparently Facebook, Microsoft, and Opera want to put some money into maintaining their common code base, and they want a neutral organization to do it.
For browser users and web developers, there’s nothing to see here. But maybe things change a bit for the browser developers working at those companies?
I agree. I see this as a similar move to when the Oracle changed the license for the JDK and created the OpenJDK foundation to manage it. About 80% of commits to OpenJDK still come from Oracle...
I agree. I see this as a similar move to when the Oracle changed the license for the JDK and created the OpenJDK foundation to manage it. About 80% of commits to OpenJDK still come from Oracle despite the opening of its source code, I expect a similar number of commits Google makes to Chromium after this.
I wouldn't be surprised it if we start to see different "flavors" of Chromium popup similar to how we have different JDK vendors.
Well, we already do see different flavors - there are multiple browsers and web views based on Chromium. Also, Electron is a popular Chromium-based foundation for desktop software. And although...
Well, we already do see different flavors - there are multiple browsers and web views based on Chromium. Also, Electron is a popular Chromium-based foundation for desktop software.
And although engineers working for Google do most of the work, I believe it's long been the case that Chromium has accepted patches from the outside.
Setting up a foundation like this gives them a way to contribute money (they're hardly going to give Google money) and maybe other resources like infrastructure for continuous builds on platforms that Google is less interested in.
Huh? Chromium is not some community project contributing to the societal greater good, it's an open source project stewarded by a monopolist who uses it as a tool to enforce their supremacy over...
Huh? Chromium is not some community project contributing to the societal greater good, it's an open source project stewarded by a monopolist who uses it as a tool to enforce their supremacy over web standards and the greater web ecosystem.
This just seems like an invitation for other companies or individuals to contribute free labor in the interest of continuing that monopoly. No thanks.
The thing that bugs me about Chromium, apart from the obvious browser monoculture issues, is that I have to use a build from the good folks at the Ungoogled Chromium project to get a version with...
The thing that bugs me about Chromium, apart from the obvious browser monoculture issues, is that I have to use a build from the good folks at the Ungoogled Chromium project to get a version with no Google in it.
If we can establish a Chromium browser with none of Google's fingers in it then fine.
Fantastic, since Google/Chromium Project have been so welcoming of collaboration with the Linux Foundation and seeking non-Alphabet funding then they're implicitly welcoming a forced spin-off of...
Fantastic, since Google/Chromium Project have been so welcoming of collaboration with the Linux Foundation and seeking non-Alphabet funding then they're implicitly welcoming a forced spin-off of Chrome from Alphabet as part of their loss in the antitrust ruling.
Now there's no ambiguity of how the project will continue and thrive after being kicked out of Google's clutches!
Feel like this is the response to the Justice Department's call to breakup Chrome. Google says they're contributing server time but I wonder if in the long run they're executing the Kubernetes...
Feel like this is the response to the Justice Department's call to breakup Chrome.
Google says they're contributing server time but I wonder if in the long run they're executing the Kubernetes move by "opening the infra to contributors" and cap the free infra cost in form of GCP credits, which they can choose to not renew
Uh huh...
So i'll be sticking with firefox for the foreseeable future, except on my iphone where I cede to orion for now.
Edit
This is more glib than i'd like. I just get all sorts of nasty vibes from this. "Supporters for Chromium based browsers"....as if you need a movement for that? It's the defacto standard to the point that almost all development for everything else is seen as a niche skill.
Maybe there's good intent behind all this, but dear god does it come off as some sort of dystopian "Support for the Party/Great leader!" spiel. I hate that a very likely end game for google is choking the browser market enough they can start being more hostile to ad blockers and better integrating them.
You could argue they have already started that with the forced move to V3. Breaking up the Google monopoly definitely should happen.
They aren't the de facto standard for default web browser on Linux distros as far as I'm aware, I figure the point of the fund is to pay distros to ship with a Chromium flavor.
Is that a large enough market for them to care?
Before this post I would have said no.
But I'm also reminded of strategies I borrowed from Amazon when I played World of Warcraft and cornered the health potion market on my server. I'd lose gold to push out even minor competition because in the long term I made a lot more from total market dominance since then I could pump prices.
So while this isn't one to one, I can also see them wanting every crumb of the pie.
Looks to me like an industry association, not a movement. Apparently Facebook, Microsoft, and Opera want to put some money into maintaining their common code base, and they want a neutral organization to do it.
For browser users and web developers, there’s nothing to see here. But maybe things change a bit for the browser developers working at those companies?
(Why does Facebook care? Maybe it’s because they have a Chromium-based web view?)
I agree. I see this as a similar move to when the Oracle changed the license for the JDK and created the OpenJDK foundation to manage it. About 80% of commits to OpenJDK still come from Oracle despite the opening of its source code, I expect a similar number of commits Google makes to Chromium after this.
I wouldn't be surprised it if we start to see different "flavors" of Chromium popup similar to how we have different JDK vendors.
Well, we already do see different flavors - there are multiple browsers and web views based on Chromium. Also, Electron is a popular Chromium-based foundation for desktop software.
And although engineers working for Google do most of the work, I believe it's long been the case that Chromium has accepted patches from the outside.
Setting up a foundation like this gives them a way to contribute money (they're hardly going to give Google money) and maybe other resources like infrastructure for continuous builds on platforms that Google is less interested in.
Huh? Chromium is not some community project contributing to the societal greater good, it's an open source project stewarded by a monopolist who uses it as a tool to enforce their supremacy over web standards and the greater web ecosystem.
This just seems like an invitation for other companies or individuals to contribute free labor in the interest of continuing that monopoly. No thanks.
Why do you assume "free labor" when it says "fund" right there?
Presumably that money will be spent in no small part on chromium-related labor.
.... yes?
Isn't that the point of paying people to do a thing? That they do the thing?
The thing that bugs me about Chromium, apart from the obvious browser monoculture issues, is that I have to use a build from the good folks at the Ungoogled Chromium project to get a version with no Google in it.
If we can establish a Chromium browser with none of Google's fingers in it then fine.
Not sure we're getting there with this.
Fantastic, since Google/Chromium Project have been so welcoming of collaboration with the Linux Foundation and seeking non-Alphabet funding then they're implicitly welcoming a forced spin-off of Chrome from Alphabet as part of their loss in the antitrust ruling.
Now there's no ambiguity of how the project will continue and thrive after being kicked out of Google's clutches!
Feel like this is the response to the Justice Department's call to breakup Chrome.
Google says they're contributing server time but I wonder if in the long run they're executing the Kubernetes move by "opening the infra to contributors" and cap the free infra cost in form of GCP credits, which they can choose to not renew
Thanks, I hate it.