I think the fascination with Hunter is pretty obvious. He fills the need for them to “bothsides” trump’s lawlessness and nepotism and corruption. The right spends a lot of time repeating the same...
I think the fascination with Hunter is pretty obvious. He fills the need for them to “bothsides” trump’s lawlessness and nepotism and corruption.
The right spends a lot of time repeating the same “scandals” over and over and over again. Benghazi. Birtherism. Hunter’s laptop. This indicates two things. One, is that propaganda works through repetition. Two, is that democrats have relatively few scandals. There are probably four actual trump scandals this week that are much more serious than Hunter’s laptop.
Not just curse words. I heavily frequent the dark and morbid side of youtube, and they often have to censor words like "suicide" and "murder". The most annoying part are the commenters who act as...
Not just curse words. I heavily frequent the dark and morbid side of youtube, and they often have to censor words like "suicide" and "murder". The most annoying part are the commenters who act as if it's because the creators think their audience is too sensitive, or blaming it on people using Tiktok too much. No, it's because the creators don't want to get demonetized.
On that note, I often see younger people on reddit just censor words themselves not because they don't want to trigger anyone, but because they're used to Tiktok banning people for saying or using those words. So they have no clue what words might get them banned outside the Tiktok sphere, or are just deeply in the habit of self-censoring.
It's something of a chicken/egg scenario though. We've absolutely had what I kinda mentally dub "the religious left" arguing about language control heavily for 10ish years now. Youtube doesn't...
The most annoying part are the commenters who act as if it's because the creators think their audience is too sensitive, or blaming it on people using Tiktok too much. No, it's because the creators don't want to get demonetized.
It's something of a chicken/egg scenario though. We've absolutely had what I kinda mentally dub "the religious left" arguing about language control heavily for 10ish years now. Youtube doesn't give a damn about them, nor do the corporations threatening to pull their advertising, but several of these rules certainly come from outcry that started in those circles.
I don't like how people use these small subgroups as excuses for larger problems, but I also don't like how signal boosted these small groups become, and then suddenly acts as if it never happened.
As someone who's probably part of the group you call "the religious left" (people used to use the term "sjws" instead), the current trend of censoring words like "kill" and "suicide" absolutely...
several of these rules certainly come from outcry that started in those circles
As someone who's probably part of the group you call "the religious left" (people used to use the term "sjws" instead), the current trend of censoring words like "kill" and "suicide" absolutely does not come from there. That trend originated on Tiktok and has always been justified as an attempt to avoid being punished by the algorithm for discussing sensitive topics. The people telling you not to use slurs are actually mostly against this obfuscation of terms for sensitive subjects in my experience. People do use slurs like "retard" less on Youtube these days too, but you can tell it's a different sort of change because they just don't use those words rather than doing weird censorship and obfuscation clearly intended to get around non-human guardrails. If you're going to claim that a particular pattern comes from "outcry" in "those circles," I'm going to want to see some evidence.
My evidence is years of personal experience so feel free to disagree, but I have straight up been told by people in those circles (and I’d say much deeper than you or anyone on this site) that...
My evidence is years of personal experience so feel free to disagree, but I have straight up been told by people in those circles (and I’d say much deeper than you or anyone on this site) that using all sorts of language is unacceptable if it could trigger someone ( even with a warning)
Thus not just slurs, but any sort of reference to death, suicide, sexual violence or the rest. Hell it even extends to things like “hey folks” not being “good enough” as a substitute for “hey guys” and I should be using folx instead (or something along those lines).
It’s a level of pedantic that goes so far beyond helping and it absolutely exists. It’s in small numbers but when SGDQ was banning/threatening to ban people for saying “Wooow” like Owen Wilson or a dumb trigger warning pun while playing DMC im not sure how you can be so confident.
I'm referencing my own experiences in such circles, and it's not my experience that refusing to mention these things is or was remotely the norm. Content warnings for these things certainly were...
I'm referencing my own experiences in such circles, and it's not my experience that refusing to mention these things is or was remotely the norm. Content warnings for these things certainly were and are normalized, but refusing to use the words themselves (which is the current trend on YouTube and Tiktok) has not been a trend I've observed. If anything, I've observed the opposite, as I've seen people on Tumblr complain about people (typically these complaints specifically identify them as people coming from other platforms) censoring these words since that bypasses keyword-based content filters, whereas I've never seen anyone insist upon not using these words. If this is the norm anywhere, it's in some small, isolated subset of the community that did not remotely have the influence to cause this to become the broader trend it now is on video platforms -- especially not to the current extent, where this is a mainstream practice, including by channels without any connections to the "sjw" side of the internet at all. Other trends from these communities that caught on more broadly, such as pronoun tags, were far more widespread on that side of the internet before becoming remotely mainstream.
I'm not going to claim that no one in these communities has ever insisted that someone avoid a particular word or overreacted to something seemingly harmless. I've been on Tumblr for over a decade now; I've seen my fair share of dumb shit. But my experiences and all available evidence do not indicate that the current trend of censoring certain words on YouTube and Tiktok is remotely borne from this community or even encouraged by it. They seem to be largely unrelated to one another from everything I have observed. I'm talking about this specific current phenomenon and not literally every time anyone seemed to be oversensitive about seemingly harmless content, so whatever SGDQ incident you're on about is not relevant to what I'm talking about.
I don't see how it's particularly shocking to you that I'm "so confident" based on my own firsthand experiences when you seem equally confident in your own conclusions from secondhand accounts (and while I'm not going to insist you value my account more than those of whoever you know personally, as it makes sense to weigh accounts from anonymous strangers online less, I think the assumption that they must have deeper knowledge of these communities than anyone on Tildes is a bit presumptuous).
We are in full agreement, and also as someone that uses folks and folx I've never been told by anyone to switch to either, nor told anyone else. They're being very intentionally used when people...
We are in full agreement, and also as someone that uses folks and folx I've never been told by anyone to switch to either, nor told anyone else. They're being very intentionally used when people use them.
It's an internet version very akin to the real world complaints about a small number of college students being "unreasonable" about something, whatever that thing is this generation, and columnists writing think pieces about concerning behavior among "the left" as a whole and why "they" are the real problem with America for being so intense about whatever that thing is. (College students using free speech to say things to or in the presence of old people is so incredibly concerning to the NYT columnists. )
In this case it's just a bunch of, mostly young, folks being too intense on something who probably need to keep growing and experiencing the real world. (Or who have established some communal safety and find external people continually infringing on it. Content warnings can be very helpful)
And while I get the previous poster wasn't saying they had the size or influence of the religious right, I think mocking them as the "religious" left instead of using that term to describe actual religious leftists is the same pattern of pointing at the small subcultures as large enough to be "a problem" rather than letting the odd people (neutral) on the internet be.
Well in this particular case, like some, I believe not enough people within the group actually distance themselves or criticize their smaller and more radical groups. Pointing out that GDQ in 2016...
Well in this particular case, like some, I believe not enough people within the group actually distance themselves or criticize their smaller and more radical groups. Pointing out that GDQ in 2016 seemed to be going waaaay overboard on their behavior in order to appease advertisers got you yelled at and shunned by much larger groups for not understanding.
Movements are in many ways defined by the worst groups they tolerate.
Pretty amazing when you consider that(and I've been typing this here and elsewhere more than I'd like...) that this is just going to mean more dead people. Whereas the curse words just means...
Pretty amazing when you consider that(and I've been typing this here and elsewhere more than I'd like...) that this is just going to mean more dead people.
Whereas the curse words just means people can't handle shit. Personally, and I'm not even saying that sarcastically anymore, I'd prefer less dead people over putting a mental blanket for people who can't handle swear words.
I guess, for me, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I've deleted the third-party app I used to use for youtube and I'm now finally seriously considering subscribing to Nebula, where...
I guess, for me, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I've deleted the third-party app I used to use for youtube and I'm now finally seriously considering subscribing to Nebula, where many of the people I'd watch post content on.
I think the fascination with Hunter is pretty obvious. He fills the need for them to “bothsides” trump’s lawlessness and nepotism and corruption.
The right spends a lot of time repeating the same “scandals” over and over and over again. Benghazi. Birtherism. Hunter’s laptop. This indicates two things. One, is that propaganda works through repetition. Two, is that democrats have relatively few scandals. There are probably four actual trump scandals this week that are much more serious than Hunter’s laptop.
So more disinformation videos and no changes to demonetisation due to swearing. I hate how much cursing is censored now.
Not just curse words. I heavily frequent the dark and morbid side of youtube, and they often have to censor words like "suicide" and "murder". The most annoying part are the commenters who act as if it's because the creators think their audience is too sensitive, or blaming it on people using Tiktok too much. No, it's because the creators don't want to get demonetized.
On that note, I often see younger people on reddit just censor words themselves not because they don't want to trigger anyone, but because they're used to Tiktok banning people for saying or using those words. So they have no clue what words might get them banned outside the Tiktok sphere, or are just deeply in the habit of self-censoring.
It's something of a chicken/egg scenario though. We've absolutely had what I kinda mentally dub "the religious left" arguing about language control heavily for 10ish years now. Youtube doesn't give a damn about them, nor do the corporations threatening to pull their advertising, but several of these rules certainly come from outcry that started in those circles.
I don't like how people use these small subgroups as excuses for larger problems, but I also don't like how signal boosted these small groups become, and then suddenly acts as if it never happened.
As someone who's probably part of the group you call "the religious left" (people used to use the term "sjws" instead), the current trend of censoring words like "kill" and "suicide" absolutely does not come from there. That trend originated on Tiktok and has always been justified as an attempt to avoid being punished by the algorithm for discussing sensitive topics. The people telling you not to use slurs are actually mostly against this obfuscation of terms for sensitive subjects in my experience. People do use slurs like "retard" less on Youtube these days too, but you can tell it's a different sort of change because they just don't use those words rather than doing weird censorship and obfuscation clearly intended to get around non-human guardrails. If you're going to claim that a particular pattern comes from "outcry" in "those circles," I'm going to want to see some evidence.
My evidence is years of personal experience so feel free to disagree, but I have straight up been told by people in those circles (and I’d say much deeper than you or anyone on this site) that using all sorts of language is unacceptable if it could trigger someone ( even with a warning)
Thus not just slurs, but any sort of reference to death, suicide, sexual violence or the rest. Hell it even extends to things like “hey folks” not being “good enough” as a substitute for “hey guys” and I should be using folx instead (or something along those lines).
It’s a level of pedantic that goes so far beyond helping and it absolutely exists. It’s in small numbers but when SGDQ was banning/threatening to ban people for saying “Wooow” like Owen Wilson or a dumb trigger warning pun while playing DMC im not sure how you can be so confident.
I'm referencing my own experiences in such circles, and it's not my experience that refusing to mention these things is or was remotely the norm. Content warnings for these things certainly were and are normalized, but refusing to use the words themselves (which is the current trend on YouTube and Tiktok) has not been a trend I've observed. If anything, I've observed the opposite, as I've seen people on Tumblr complain about people (typically these complaints specifically identify them as people coming from other platforms) censoring these words since that bypasses keyword-based content filters, whereas I've never seen anyone insist upon not using these words. If this is the norm anywhere, it's in some small, isolated subset of the community that did not remotely have the influence to cause this to become the broader trend it now is on video platforms -- especially not to the current extent, where this is a mainstream practice, including by channels without any connections to the "sjw" side of the internet at all. Other trends from these communities that caught on more broadly, such as pronoun tags, were far more widespread on that side of the internet before becoming remotely mainstream.
I'm not going to claim that no one in these communities has ever insisted that someone avoid a particular word or overreacted to something seemingly harmless. I've been on Tumblr for over a decade now; I've seen my fair share of dumb shit. But my experiences and all available evidence do not indicate that the current trend of censoring certain words on YouTube and Tiktok is remotely borne from this community or even encouraged by it. They seem to be largely unrelated to one another from everything I have observed. I'm talking about this specific current phenomenon and not literally every time anyone seemed to be oversensitive about seemingly harmless content, so whatever SGDQ incident you're on about is not relevant to what I'm talking about.
I don't see how it's particularly shocking to you that I'm "so confident" based on my own firsthand experiences when you seem equally confident in your own conclusions from secondhand accounts (and while I'm not going to insist you value my account more than those of whoever you know personally, as it makes sense to weigh accounts from anonymous strangers online less, I think the assumption that they must have deeper knowledge of these communities than anyone on Tildes is a bit presumptuous).
We are in full agreement, and also as someone that uses folks and folx I've never been told by anyone to switch to either, nor told anyone else. They're being very intentionally used when people use them.
It's an internet version very akin to the real world complaints about a small number of college students being "unreasonable" about something, whatever that thing is this generation, and columnists writing think pieces about concerning behavior among "the left" as a whole and why "they" are the real problem with America for being so intense about whatever that thing is. (College students using free speech to say things to or in the presence of old people is so incredibly concerning to the NYT columnists. )
In this case it's just a bunch of, mostly young, folks being too intense on something who probably need to keep growing and experiencing the real world. (Or who have established some communal safety and find external people continually infringing on it. Content warnings can be very helpful)
And while I get the previous poster wasn't saying they had the size or influence of the religious right, I think mocking them as the "religious" left instead of using that term to describe actual religious leftists is the same pattern of pointing at the small subcultures as large enough to be "a problem" rather than letting the odd people (neutral) on the internet be.
Well in this particular case, like some, I believe not enough people within the group actually distance themselves or criticize their smaller and more radical groups. Pointing out that GDQ in 2016 seemed to be going waaaay overboard on their behavior in order to appease advertisers got you yelled at and shunned by much larger groups for not understanding.
Movements are in many ways defined by the worst groups they tolerate.
Pretty amazing when you consider that(and I've been typing this here and elsewhere more than I'd like...) that this is just going to mean more dead people.
Whereas the curse words just means people can't handle shit. Personally, and I'm not even saying that sarcastically anymore, I'd prefer less dead people over putting a mental blanket for people who can't handle swear words.
That is genuinely the direction we're heading...
https://archive.ph/IHHyn
I guess, for me, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I've deleted the third-party app I used to use for youtube and I'm now finally seriously considering subscribing to Nebula, where many of the people I'd watch post content on.