It is awful satisfying to see Mark set so much money on fire. It will never stop being funny to me that they did a $14.6 BILLION acquisition and didn't ever get majority control, or a board seat....
It is awful satisfying to see Mark set so much money on fire. It will never stop being funny to me that they did a $14.6 BILLION acquisition and didn't ever get majority control, or a board seat. That ScaleAI kid made off like an absolute bandit for Zucc's desperation.
Of course, Google will win. It's crazy anyone thinks the company that invented the transformer and has the most data out of anyone by a few orders of magnitude, AND has the best search index by a wide margin for assisting in efficient RAG is seriously going to lose to some pirates that stole all the data they could and juiced billions into making something Google already has just to get a big, splashy, wildly irresponsible and unsafe for society, public release.
I mean... maybe, but I think you are oversimplifying things. All the major players have something that could tip the scales in their favour. openai with chatgpt is the OG. Not only do they still...
I mean... maybe, but I think you are oversimplifying things. All the major players have something that could tip the scales in their favour.
openai with chatgpt is the OG. Not only do they still have a technological headstart, don't underestimate their brand and what it can do for them. Bitcoin sure as hell isn't as impressive as many other cryptos, but it is the OG and still the most popular.
microsoft with copilot has an unprecedented level of integration with other tools (ie office) and is already so deeply integrated into the enterprise market that they are the de facto choice for many organizations.
meta and twitter/x with llama and grok can leverage their massive social media platforms and pretty much shove their AI down the throats of the majority of the world. Tech-literate or not.
google with bard or gemini has the advantage of still being the major provider for all things search, as well as the ability to leverage their hold on the android ecosystem
anthropic is a bit of a special beast in that it seems to just have a very good sense for what the market is looking for and seems to make all the right choices.
There are plenty more but I sure as hell wouldn't bet my money on any one of these outperforming the others
Anthropic has a very strong case for being the only small player to survive. They are running efficiently and, as you noted, providing real tools that businesses actually need. They also have...
Anthropic has a very strong case for being the only small player to survive. They are running efficiently and, as you noted, providing real tools that businesses actually need. They also have enterprise capabilities to run off of an internal network, enabling the likes of NASA and other extremely highly secure businesses to use them.
Google Bard isn't... a thing. I highly suspect this comment was made with AI. As I said, Google is the technological leader, they are the ones with the headstart. They have TPUs, which train much more efficiently than the GPUs literally every other player is using. They invented Transformers, etc etc.
You don't mention Deepseek at all, which further betrays your ignorance on the matter. They are a very real player given their staff's impressive technological advances, most notably Group Relative Policy Optimisation, as well as their potential Chinese state backing (notably Xi Jiping is not interested in AGI beyond preventing it from taking power away from the party).
Microsoft owns OpenAI, Copilot and ChatGPT run on the same core technologies.
Sorry this is a rude comment, but I think yours was a bit rude as well. If my hunch is right, you asked an AI why I'm wrong and it produces a seemingly convincing comment, but one which lacks an enormous amount of nuances and current developments. Like, Bard doesn't exist, how did you even thing to mention that?
No worries for the rude tone :) But no, my comment wasn't written with AI... it was written from my brain which is mildly interested in yet not super involved with the current state of AI....
No worries for the rude tone :)
But no, my comment wasn't written with AI... it was written from my brain which is mildly interested in yet not super involved with the current state of AI.
Ironically, I actually think if I HAD asked AI, it would not have made the mistake of bard/gemini. My own brain however was not aware of the fact that gemini was a rename of the original name bard that google used for its AI. I thought it was 2 separate models.
I am in no way claiming to be an expert on the matter, merely pointing out with some basic examples why I feel this is anyones game at this point, which I still believe.
This will be decided based on so much more factors than just who invented transformers or who has the biggest dataset.
Sidenote: I am also aware that MS and OpenAi run essentially the same models. But they are still in direct competition with each other. I am also aware of deepseeks existence, but must honestly admit that my western bias had made me forget about it (also something I think an AI comment would have included by the way)
Sidenote 2: without wanting to turn this into a "no you" internet argument. I find it ironic that you critique me for lack of nuance since that is the feeling I got from your original comment that prompted mine.
Thank you for your kindness. I got ticked off because you gave an unnuanced response, from my point of view after calling my own simplistic. Suffice to say, I do stand by that the right answer is...
Thank you for your kindness. I got ticked off because you gave an unnuanced response, from my point of view after calling my own simplistic.
Suffice to say, I do stand by that the right answer is usually the obvious one.
Microsoft's relationship with OpenAI is a strategic partnership with significant investments and a complex ownership structure. While Microsoft has invested billions of dollars, including a $13 billion investment, it doesn't hold majority ownership of OpenAI. Instead, Microsoft is entitled to a significant share of OpenAI's profits, potentially up to 75% until its investment is recouped, and then 49%. OpenAI's non-profit structure maintains a controlling interest, with the board of OpenAI Inc. indirectly owning the majority of the for-profit arm, OpenAI Global LLC.
So they don't have voting control, but they get most of the money.
The formatting is what confused me by the way. Most people don't write with that sort of a structured bolding, not that it's a bad thing!
Ah, that would be the years of corporate indoctrination where I have to send a lot of emails that I know most people will only skim unless something they directly care about catches their eye.
The formatting is what confused me by the way. Most people don't write with that sort of a structured bolding, not that it's a bad thing!
Ah, that would be the years of corporate indoctrination where I have to send a lot of emails that I know most people will only skim unless something they directly care about catches their eye.
I don't think it's fair to say Microsoft "owns" OpenAI unless the information that is publicly accessible is wrong. They certainly have a very strong influence though. I'm also not sure if it's...
Microsoft owns OpenAI, Copilot and ChatGPT run on the same core technologies.
I don't think it's fair to say Microsoft "owns" OpenAI unless the information that is publicly accessible is wrong. They certainly have a very strong influence though.
I'm also not sure if it's fair to say Copilot and ChatGPT run on the same "core technologies". For example I use Claude Sonnet 4 with Copilot most of the time.
That is so true, forgot about that one. What a payday! Not sure about Google. I can only go by what I have been using, and Google isn't my main thing anymore. Candidly even for 'normal' web...
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That is so true, forgot about that one. What a payday!
Not sure about Google. I can only go by what I have been using, and Google isn't my main thing anymore. Candidly even for 'normal' web searches they aren't my first stop. By no ways is that any indication of what is better. I have found others who provide better data results, but that's me. Anyway, let it rain BILLIONS! Give me some of that!
It is awful satisfying to see Mark set so much money on fire. It will never stop being funny to me that they did a $14.6 BILLION acquisition and didn't ever get majority control, or a board seat. That ScaleAI kid made off like an absolute bandit for Zucc's desperation.
Of course, Google will win. It's crazy anyone thinks the company that invented the transformer and has the most data out of anyone by a few orders of magnitude, AND has the best search index by a wide margin for assisting in efficient RAG is seriously going to lose to some pirates that stole all the data they could and juiced billions into making something Google already has just to get a big, splashy, wildly irresponsible and unsafe for society, public release.
I mean... maybe, but I think you are oversimplifying things. All the major players have something that could tip the scales in their favour.
openai with chatgpt is the OG. Not only do they still have a technological headstart, don't underestimate their brand and what it can do for them. Bitcoin sure as hell isn't as impressive as many other cryptos, but it is the OG and still the most popular.
microsoft with copilot has an unprecedented level of integration with other tools (ie office) and is already so deeply integrated into the enterprise market that they are the de facto choice for many organizations.
meta and twitter/x with llama and grok can leverage their massive social media platforms and pretty much shove their AI down the throats of the majority of the world. Tech-literate or not.
google with bard or gemini has the advantage of still being the major provider for all things search, as well as the ability to leverage their hold on the android ecosystem
anthropic is a bit of a special beast in that it seems to just have a very good sense for what the market is looking for and seems to make all the right choices.
There are plenty more but I sure as hell wouldn't bet my money on any one of these outperforming the others
Anthropic has a very strong case for being the only small player to survive. They are running efficiently and, as you noted, providing real tools that businesses actually need. They also have enterprise capabilities to run off of an internal network, enabling the likes of NASA and other extremely highly secure businesses to use them.
Google Bard isn't... a thing. I highly suspect this comment was made with AI. As I said, Google is the technological leader, they are the ones with the headstart. They have TPUs, which train much more efficiently than the GPUs literally every other player is using. They invented Transformers, etc etc.
You don't mention Deepseek at all, which further betrays your ignorance on the matter. They are a very real player given their staff's impressive technological advances, most notably Group Relative Policy Optimisation, as well as their potential Chinese state backing (notably Xi Jiping is not interested in AGI beyond preventing it from taking power away from the party).
Microsoft owns OpenAI, Copilot and ChatGPT run on the same core technologies.
Sorry this is a rude comment, but I think yours was a bit rude as well. If my hunch is right, you asked an AI why I'm wrong and it produces a seemingly convincing comment, but one which lacks an enormous amount of nuances and current developments. Like, Bard doesn't exist, how did you even thing to mention that?
No worries for the rude tone :)
But no, my comment wasn't written with AI... it was written from my brain which is mildly interested in yet not super involved with the current state of AI.
Ironically, I actually think if I HAD asked AI, it would not have made the mistake of bard/gemini. My own brain however was not aware of the fact that gemini was a rename of the original name bard that google used for its AI. I thought it was 2 separate models.
I am in no way claiming to be an expert on the matter, merely pointing out with some basic examples why I feel this is anyones game at this point, which I still believe.
This will be decided based on so much more factors than just who invented transformers or who has the biggest dataset.
Sidenote: I am also aware that MS and OpenAi run essentially the same models. But they are still in direct competition with each other. I am also aware of deepseeks existence, but must honestly admit that my western bias had made me forget about it (also something I think an AI comment would have included by the way)
Sidenote 2: without wanting to turn this into a "no you" internet argument. I find it ironic that you critique me for lack of nuance since that is the feeling I got from your original comment that prompted mine.
Thank you for your kindness. I got ticked off because you gave an unnuanced response, from my point of view after calling my own simplistic.
Suffice to say, I do stand by that the right answer is usually the obvious one.
Microsoft's relationship with OpenAI is a strategic partnership with significant investments and a complex ownership structure. While Microsoft has invested billions of dollars, including a $13 billion investment, it doesn't hold majority ownership of OpenAI. Instead, Microsoft is entitled to a significant share of OpenAI's profits, potentially up to 75% until its investment is recouped, and then 49%. OpenAI's non-profit structure maintains a controlling interest, with the board of OpenAI Inc. indirectly owning the majority of the for-profit arm, OpenAI Global LLC.
So they don't have voting control, but they get most of the money.
The formatting is what confused me by the way. Most people don't write with that sort of a structured bolding, not that it's a bad thing!
Ah, that would be the years of corporate indoctrination where I have to send a lot of emails that I know most people will only skim unless something they directly care about catches their eye.
I don't think it's fair to say Microsoft "owns" OpenAI unless the information that is publicly accessible is wrong. They certainly have a very strong influence though.
I'm also not sure if it's fair to say Copilot and ChatGPT run on the same "core technologies". For example I use Claude Sonnet 4 with Copilot most of the time.
That is so true, forgot about that one. What a payday!
Not sure about Google. I can only go by what I have been using, and Google isn't my main thing anymore. Candidly even for 'normal' web searches they aren't my first stop. By no ways is that any indication of what is better. I have found others who provide better data results, but that's me. Anyway, let it rain BILLIONS! Give me some of that!
They couldn't get a majority or the FTC stick would clap Meta. The 49% stake was on purpose. Though whether it was worth it is up in the air.
Maybe they’re 100m richer. Probably not, but likely a handsome payday regardless.
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