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Have you tried Pewdiepies' self-hosted AI workspace, Odysseus?

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  1. [4]
    papasquat
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    My take on these vibe coded AI tools is that maybe they're useful to some people, but honestly if I had a real need for something like this, I'd just vibe-code it myself. If we're at the point...

    My take on these vibe coded AI tools is that maybe they're useful to some people, but honestly if I had a real need for something like this, I'd just vibe-code it myself. If we're at the point where YouTubers without actual technical backgrounds are releasing open source AI tools, the barrier to entry is so low that theres really no reason not to just do it yourself.

    It's part of what I don't think people grasp about the big picture implications of all of these ai tools and startups built around them. If the entire prospect is that LLMs are good enough that you don't ever have to think about code again, why would you ever engage with some 3rd party tool or product. Code is fundementally worthless at that point, and paying for, or even downloading for free someone else's AI generated code makes as much sense as paying someone to transcribe your messages, or perform Google searches on your behalf.

    25 votes
    1. [3]
      Noox
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      To give a serious answer, because it's actually part of my job to help with the data architecture for tools like these: Why would you not just vibecode it yourself? Scale. Vibecoded tools usually...

      To give a serious answer, because it's actually part of my job to help with the data architecture for tools like these:

      Why would you not just vibecode it yourself?

      1. Scale. Vibecoded tools usually work pretty good until you try to upload e.g. 1gb worth of docs instead of 325kb worth.
      2. Data ingestion upkeep. Clients will come to us (I work for a digital agency, so we make software, websites and do all in house marketing) because the API for e.g. Facebook keeps @-£&@_*-#+£ changing and so they're sick of their vibecoded tools breaking. We build in automations and have data engineers working the service desk for the apps we make.
      3. And this is the most important one: laziness. People who vibecode tools like their initial output usually, but absolutely crash when it comes to maintenance, bugfixing and adding features that don't break the tool. Yes, even when all they have to do is make Claude fix it, people will still not wanna do it.

      Anyway not sure if you're even remotely interested in an actual answer but figured might as well chime in :p

      13 votes
      1. papasquat
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        I agree with you, but to me, that's an argument against using vibe coded software at all, not just against using vibe coded software that you personally created. When I say vibe coding, what I...

        I agree with you, but to me, that's an argument against using vibe coded software at all, not just against using vibe coded software that you personally created.

        When I say vibe coding, what I mean is code that the human "producing it" doesn't understand. I fully see the value and use case for AI code assistants. I even see the value in vibe coding small one off applications. What I don't see the value in is paying for, or even using for free, someone else's vibe coded output.

        14 votes
      2. vord
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        At a certain point I think getting Claude to fix it is what makes those first two bullets worse. And if you have little technical background, you can't really tell when its off the rails and...

        Yes, even when all they have to do is make Claude fix it, people will still not wanna do it.

        At a certain point I think getting Claude to fix it is what makes those first two bullets worse.

        And if you have little technical background, you can't really tell when its off the rails and coding like a bipolar PhD on shrooms and cocaine.

        7 votes
  2. [23]
    vord
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    Could somebody sum up Pewdiepie's rep since say 2015? I kinda just remember him as yet another annoying edgelord, and wanna get a pulse on whether or not I wanna touch anything associated with...

    Could somebody sum up Pewdiepie's rep since say 2015? I kinda just remember him as yet another annoying edgelord, and wanna get a pulse on whether or not I wanna touch anything associated with him.

    Did he finally just grow up, and has the misfortune of having his 20s permanently archived? Or we still dealing with some seriously problematic behavior?

    This looks like a pretty cool stack, but the association has me hesitant.

    20 votes
    1. [2]
      stu2b50
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      He retired from YouTube, moved to Japan with his wife and is currently raising his kid mostly off the radar. Occasionally he uploads videos about drawing. Shows up in Japan content creator stuff...

      He retired from YouTube, moved to Japan with his wife and is currently raising his kid mostly off the radar. Occasionally he uploads videos about drawing. Shows up in Japan content creator stuff every once in a while (eg, he appeared on the Cyclothon).

      24 votes
      1. fxgn
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        The description is somewhat outdated, over the past year he mostly made tech-related videos and family vlogs (although he recently said that he wants his son to have a normal childhood so he will...

        The description is somewhat outdated, over the past year he mostly made tech-related videos and family vlogs (although he recently said that he wants his son to have a normal childhood so he will stop making the family vlogs now)

        10 votes
    2. [14]
      cesarandreu
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      I wasn't following him around during that era, but I started to get into a couple of his videos when he began encouraging people to read more. He also stopped grinding mainstream YouTube content...

      I wasn't following him around during that era, but I started to get into a couple of his videos when he began encouraging people to read more. He also stopped grinding mainstream YouTube content and moved to Japan with his wife and child and started making vlogs.

      As I understand it, he had a few problematic blips over the years, but I think he grew up and moved on, and he has become a fairly positive influence. At least he's not a massive scammer like the Paul brothers.

      16 votes
      1. [13]
        Drewbahr
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        Most of what I know about PewDiePie is reflected in the comments here. https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/leu445/cmv_i_dont_see_how_pewdiepie_is_a_nazi/ I get being "edgy", but even in...

        Most of what I know about PewDiePie is reflected in the comments here.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/leu445/cmv_i_dont_see_how_pewdiepie_is_a_nazi/

        I get being "edgy", but even in my edgiest phases as a kid I was never Nazi-adjacent. Nothing I said or did could be construed as encouraging Naziism.

        I do hope he's grown out of that "phase", but fuck him for introducing a generation of kids to racism as if it's a joke.

        25 votes
        1. [8]
          vord
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          FWIW I was one of those people. The time and place you grow up in makes a huge difference. And if you never leave, you never learn. That's why I asked, because I appreciate seeing that growth.

          FWIW I was one of those people. The time and place you grow up in makes a huge difference.

          And if you never leave, you never learn.

          That's why I asked, because I appreciate seeing that growth.

          22 votes
          1. [7]
            JCAPER
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            I don't know if people remember, but around that time youtube's culture was all about edgy humour. PDP was far from the worst among the mainstream channels (Filthy Frank, iDubbz, etc), but he was...

            I don't know if people remember, but around that time youtube's culture was all about edgy humour. PDP was far from the worst among the mainstream channels (Filthy Frank, iDubbz, etc), but he was the reason that youtube finally took a stance and started cracking down on it because he was the biggest and got the media attention.

            As someone who's been following him since almost the beginning, one thing he's always been very consistent was with his authenticity. When he was fed up with making gameplay videos, he was upfront about it and changed the focus of his channel, and did this more than once (whenever he got tired of one direction, he changed). Many youtube channels die when this happens once - never mind several times -, so it speaks for itself how he always keeps an audience.

            This is to say, I might be completely wrong as I never met him in person, but he never stroke me as a Nazi sympathiser or who held any Nazi beliefs. He started making edgy videos and started pushing the envelop to see what he could get away with. The "Death to all jews" video that created the whole "adpocalypse 1.0" was a video where that was the point, he was trying to see what was the worst thing he could do in Fiverr.

            This isn't to defend him or this video (or the later one, the bridge racist one), what I am saying is that there's the nuance of youtube culture around that time and the kind of humour that was popular. He was an idiot who followed the trend, but he was hardly the only one.

            Nowadays I'm starting to watch him again more regularly because as someone who is also interested in making my own Homelab and playing around with linux, it's cool to watch someone else making their own projects and share with the internet. His linux video was also cool as he very likely incentivised a lot of people to try it out

            6 votes
            1. [2]
              DefinitelyNotAFae
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              I think this was not all of YT culture. His videos were literally never recommended to me for example (Mr Beast still isn't) and so it's just worth noting that you could have been actively on YT...

              but around that time youtube's culture was all about edgy humour.

              I think this was not all of YT culture. His videos were literally never recommended to me for example (Mr Beast still isn't) and so it's just worth noting that you could have been actively on YT and not engaged in/watched that type of edgy racism/etc.

              I suspect it had a lot to do with people's age and interests at the time he was making that content.

              10 votes
              1. JCAPER
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                Oh yeah for sure, it wasn't all of it - didn't mean to imply it, sorry about that. But it was a major part of youtube, as otherwise "adpocalypse" wouldn't have been what it was. For transparency:...

                Oh yeah for sure, it wasn't all of it - didn't mean to imply it, sorry about that. But it was a major part of youtube, as otherwise "adpocalypse" wouldn't have been what it was.

                For transparency: Back then I was a 20 year old who liked edgy humour, so I would watch one or another edgy youtuber. I eventually grew out of it.

                3 votes
            2. [4]
              Drewbahr
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              Forgive me for being blunt, because I don't understand what you mean here. What is the "nuance" behind edgy (in context, racist) humor?

              Forgive me for being blunt, because I don't understand what you mean here.

              What is the "nuance" behind edgy (in context, racist) humor?

              4 votes
              1. [3]
                JCAPER
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                I was referring to a major part of the youtube culture at the time, not about any nuance about the edgy humor itself. The nuance being that he was hardly alone or out of place on youtube, edgy...

                I was referring to a major part of the youtube culture at the time, not about any nuance about the edgy humor itself. The nuance being that he was hardly alone or out of place on youtube, edgy humour was popular until youtube and advertisers started to crack it down.

                4 votes
                1. [2]
                  Drewbahr
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                  Fair, I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying. Personally, my issue with excusing racism as "just being edgy" is that to the uninitiated, there's is no difference. If I go out in public and shout...

                  Fair, I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.

                  Personally, my issue with excusing racism as "just being edgy" is that to the uninitiated, there's is no difference. If I go out in public and shout racist things, people will just think I'm racist. I can explain that I was just being edgy, but at a certain point the difference is functionally non-existent.

                  People like to think that how they are online is not representative of who they are. I disagree.

                  8 votes
                  1. JCAPER
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                    Completely agree. At a certain point, a duck is a duck - no matter how much they say they are pretending or just joking around. In case of PDP and using the analogy, I do not believe he's a duck,...

                    Completely agree. At a certain point, a duck is a duck - no matter how much they say they are pretending or just joking around.

                    In case of PDP and using the analogy, I do not believe he's a duck, but I'm not excusing him either for what he did. I feel that the nuance mentioned is important when talking about him because looking at before and after his edgy phase, he kept his nose clean. I believe someone who is genuinely racist would've given signs before and would've kept giving them after.

                    But, then again, I don't know him personally. For all I know, I could be wrong about him.

                    4 votes
        2. [4]
          CptBluebear
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          As kids, we used to take school trips to concentration camps. I don't know anyone that didn't crack at least one distasteful joke, or laugh at one of them, while in the camp. I'm loathe to say...

          As kids, we used to take school trips to concentration camps. I don't know anyone that didn't crack at least one distasteful joke, or laugh at one of them, while in the camp. I'm loathe to say "boys will be boys" because one it's dumb and two it presupposes boys can't learn to be better, but it's absolutely true that teenagers are stupid regardless of their actual beliefs. None of us believed those jokes to have more substance beyond a cheap laugh.

          Long story short, young people do grow out of their juvenile phases. For teen boys within countries that have seen occupation by the Germans the jokes were offensive for the sake of offense, not on behalf of the rehabilitation of Nazism.

          I'm not trying to go to bat for PewDiePie, I don't think I've watched him back in the day nor now so I have no stakes in this, but know that the attitude of 90s kids within the North Western Europe cultural zeitgeist did consider bad jokes to be just bad jokes and not a ringing endorsement of racism, fascism, Nazism, or other isms.
          With the advent of the internet we admittedly took a considerable amount of time to adjust to the rest of the world and learnt the world wasn't as appreciative or forgiving of these mistakes, but we're getting there.

          12 votes
          1. [2]
            Drewbahr
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            Forgive me, but making jokes in bad taste on a school trip is not the same as promoting Nazi propaganda to 76 million people. At the time of that video, he was 18. Not a child-child. He may not be...

            Forgive me, but making jokes in bad taste on a school trip is not the same as promoting Nazi propaganda to 76 million people. At the time of that video, he was 18. Not a child-child.

            He may not be a Nazi, but he certainly made it a big point to sound like one. And to millions of children across the world no less. The ramifications of promoting that bullshit are way, way more profound when your audience can be measured in total percentage of the world population.

            8 votes
            1. CptBluebear
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              I was debating myself whether or not I'd respond because I don't particularly feel the need to debate the nuance when you're absolutely correct and almost any response would seem like I'm...

              I was debating myself whether or not I'd respond because I don't particularly feel the need to debate the nuance when you're absolutely correct and almost any response would seem like I'm weaseling my way into Nazi apologism. In order to prevent that, let me be clear about this: I acknowledge that the damage of "just jokes" to so many people exceed an unacceptable threshold, and promoting Nazi ideology in any form should be condemned.

              I suppose I wrote my post in the hopes that I could shine a light and create a little understanding in the cultural background of the individual. One that likely grew up in a similar environment to myself. An individual that might not see the significance of these jokes because of their experience growing up in the 90s and being taught about the war and atrocities extensively.

              Nazism lives differently in the minds of the previously occupied. My father had difficulties throwing food away for his entire life, courtesy of the Hunger Winter. But he also loved telling the story how he'd be forced to salute by German soldiers but would mutter the words "Ein Liter" instead, as the only form of rebellion a child could muster. Even then, laughing away the horror is the least you could do.

              Now I don't have a particular response to your link. If done purposefully that's pretty damning but I did mention I have no context around PewdiePie specifically so I couldn't tell you whether or not he was intentional in any of his actions. I never meant my earlier response as a defense for PewdiePie specifically, but rather wanted to highlight the general feeling us 90s European kids have around the topic. If anything, I hope that makes a little sense.

              1 vote
          2. vord
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            My inlaws are ethnic Jews. I've never heard more Holocaust jokes. "If you can't laugh, you'll die." kinda vibes. That said, they were generally more tasteful than in the museum itself.

            My inlaws are ethnic Jews. I've never heard more Holocaust jokes. "If you can't laugh, you'll die." kinda vibes.

            That said, they were generally more tasteful than in the museum itself.

            4 votes
    3. [6]
      ap0r
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      This is Tildes, a curated community. How about just assuming good faith from OP (me) and checking out the video and github repo if you are interested in the topic? Does it seem like someone who...

      This is Tildes, a curated community. How about just assuming good faith from OP (me) and checking out the video and github repo if you are interested in the topic? Does it seem like someone who created an account on a site which favors long, thoughtful discourse would just willy nilly share noise from an edgelord?

      In direct reply to your question, Pewds retirement arc is "grew up, quit YouTube drama, moved to Japan with the wife and kid, learnt and shared philosophy, got into open source and self hosting, vlogged some, and occasionally shares what he's working on, from building a GPU cluster to a sort of Tamagochi that his wife did the art for".

      Again, if the topic seems interesting, go watch the video or his channel. I value the time of the people here far too much to ask them to watch some low-IQ content for kids with tiktok brain where the YouTuber regurgitates some AI slop talking points while a sub-video of Minecraft Parkour plays in the background.

      Trust the community, most of us are here because Reddit was enshittified to oblivion. I have never had a bad experience with a link on Tildes. I have disagreed with many, but never have felt my time wasted or my intelligence insulted.

      6 votes
      1. [3]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        I've absolutely felt insulted, had my time wasted and read a whole blog from a Christian nationalist white supremacist linked from here. Asking a question is not out of line. Vord has been around...

        I've absolutely felt insulted, had my time wasted and read a whole blog from a Christian nationalist white supremacist linked from here. Asking a question is not out of line. Vord has been around for a while and is well aware of the community.

        My point here is that Vord didn't insult you or your motives, just asked some clarification about a famous person with a bad reputation.

        36 votes
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          1. [2]
            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Those were multiple occurrences, the last one (and everything I was referring to) was a topic and no, it's been a long while ago and I believe the topic was deleted but I don't recall in what...

            Those were multiple occurrences, the last one (and everything I was referring to) was a topic and no, it's been a long while ago and I believe the topic was deleted but I don't recall in what manner. More recently there was a YT channel with some very racist things posted that were removed.

            But this is off topic and frankly you were quite rude to me and others about this a week ago, so I'm personally not really interested in engaging you further on this topic here.

            10 votes
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              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                No, I said don't want to discuss this with you because of your recent comments to me and others about it. Please stop ascribing other motives to me when I've been explicit. Thanks. Edit: actually...

                No, I said don't want to discuss this with you because of your recent comments to me and others about it.

                Please stop ascribing other motives to me when I've been explicit. Thanks.

                Edit: actually just stop ascribing motives to me at all.

                8 votes
      2. [2]
        vord
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        Part of the reason I ask is because I know people have the opportunity to grow. Even edgelords who thought "Kill All Jews" signs were funny. I'm quite pleased to find out he did. I know how easy...

        Part of the reason I ask is because I know people have the opportunity to grow. Even edgelords who thought "Kill All Jews" signs were funny. I'm quite pleased to find out he did.

        I know how easy it is for even the best-intentioned people to fall into rabbitholes that lead to dark places. Scott Alexander I know is one such person, who does have some pretty good takes, as well as Richard Stallman. But a very large percentage of the population would rather not think about those names anymore because of their bad takes, and not further their brand, so to speak. Bad apples spoil the bunch and all.

        @DefinitelyNotAFae is definitely one of those people I trust to make that kind of judgement call. They take an even harder stance than me on many things of this nature, so when internally weighing the replies, they were the baseline.

        Your handle is one of the least recognizable one to me in this topic. I don't know offhand how long you've been here. As such, you have not fully earned my trust. Not my distrust either. Just I had a personal memory of blacklisting Pew and wanted to get a proper community vibe check to validate my searches.

        And FWIW, I generally never check who posted what. It's not really a problem unless the poster gets excessively defensive about questions like this.

        Edit: After writing all this, I decided to check your profile in case I was the wrong one and that I was just blind that you might be an old hat. I generally try to avoid checking post histories, because it borders that reddit-stalker thing. But you are very new, and it kinda shows. Happy to welcome you , but you're still getting your feet wet.

        10 votes
        1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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          Thank you kindly! I have only ever been vaguely aware of PewDiePie and probably would have asked a similar question if AI anything was of interest to me. Btw, you dropped a sentence in your third...

          Thank you kindly! I have only ever been vaguely aware of PewDiePie and probably would have asked a similar question if AI anything was of interest to me.

          Btw, you dropped a sentence in your third paragraph, unless it got fixed while I was writing this message. Edited to fix my voice to text

          4 votes
  3. [2]
    ap0r
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    Tried it today and was very pleased. The video explains everything; but the general principle is to simplify and streamline access to self-hosted AI models. I found easy to install, and great to...

    Tried it today and was very pleased.

    The video explains everything; but the general principle is to simplify and streamline access to self-hosted AI models.

    I found easy to install, and great to use. While I am severely hardware-capped (RTX 2060), the included cookbook was able to find many models that I could run locally. If you have better hardware you can run more advanced models.

    If you want to go straight to the GitHub, I'll leave it here:
    https://pewdiepie-archdaemon.github.io/odysseus/#start

    Have you tried it? Have you tried self-hosting any AI chatbots or agents? How was your experience?

    10 votes
    1. Staross
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      I struggled a bit to add a model with llama cpp but eventually managed to manually connect to a Llama-3-8B-Instruct but it doesn't seem any of the tools work. Edit : with gemini free-tier it kinda...

      I struggled a bit to add a model with llama cpp but eventually managed to manually connect to a Llama-3-8B-Instruct but it doesn't seem any of the tools work. Edit : with gemini free-tier it kinda works.

      1 vote
  4. Carrow
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    I've used LM Studio with rnj-1 on my 3070. LM Studio basically just has the chat portion available out of the box with a bunch of niceties for getting you up and running. So they seem to have...

    I've used LM Studio with rnj-1 on my 3070. LM Studio basically just has the chat portion available out of the box with a bunch of niceties for getting you up and running. So they seem to have overlapping features with the main advantage of this seeming to be the built-in email assistant and deep researcher -- but I would not trust a model as dumb as what I could run with either and found the chat box sufficient for its capabilities. I didn't experiment with other models then but benchmarks suggested rnj-1 was the best for its size at the time.

    1 vote