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The OnePlus 6T won't have a headphone jack, but battery life will be improved

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  1. [2]
    demifiend
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    Losing the 3.5mm auxiliary output jack in exchange for "improved battery life" is not an acceptable trade-off. It isn't just for headphones; with a 3.5mm male-to-male cable you can connect a phone...

    Losing the 3.5mm auxiliary output jack in exchange for "improved battery life" is not an acceptable trade-off. It isn't just for headphones; with a 3.5mm male-to-male cable you can connect a phone to all sorts of existing equipment.

    23 votes
    1. tnkflx
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      Exactly. The 3.5mm jack just works. There's no pairing, no PIN codes, no differences between Bluetooth versions, no batteries. It Just Works. For the record, I also don't use Bluetooth for my...

      Exactly. The 3.5mm jack just works.

      There's no pairing, no PIN codes, no differences between Bluetooth versions, no batteries. It Just Works.

      For the record, I also don't use Bluetooth for my keyboard and mouse either as the battery usually bugs out at the worst time and really, with this whole going green thing going on, do we really need more battery usage?

      1 vote
  2. [2]
    Nitta
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    Meanwhile Samsung also improved battery life and kept stylus inside the phone and kept headphone jack, and kept water resistance too. The trend 1+ followed here is one of the most annoying things...

    Meanwhile Samsung also improved battery life and kept stylus inside the phone and kept headphone jack, and kept water resistance too. The trend 1+ followed here is one of the most annoying things happening in modern tech.

    And regarding Bluetooth audio, it's been here for years, it's not only in phones without headphone jack. Removing the jack only reduces options.

    18 votes
    1. Askme_about_penguins
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      Oh, oh, oh, but “lagsum” and “ew Touchwiz”! Because we're still in 2011. On a more serious note, though, Samsung is a bigger company and can afford a level of research and innovation than OnePlus...

      Oh, oh, oh, but “lagsum” and “ew Touchwiz”! Because we're still in 2011.

      On a more serious note, though, Samsung is a bigger company and can afford a level of research and innovation than OnePlus can't.

      1 vote
  3. meghan
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    Guess I'll get a 6 then. Making a device without a headphone jack is unacceptable.

    Guess I'll get a 6 then. Making a device without a headphone jack is unacceptable.

    9 votes
  4. [4]
    Grzmot
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    Welp. And I was planning on staying with Oneplus. Pocophone here I come. They made such a huge deal out of it too. An entire blog post about the headphone jack not going anywhere. Funnily enough,...

    Welp. And I was planning on staying with Oneplus.

    Pocophone here I come.

    They made such a huge deal out of it too. An entire blog post about the headphone jack not going anywhere. Funnily enough, this phone had to be in development by then, so they knew it was going away. I don't know why Oneplus is chasing these trends so much. I knew that they've always been taking inspiration from their parent company OPPO, but the entire point of their company was to offer great specs for a cutting edge price, omitting certain features that were not deemed as important.

    Now their next phone is supposed to have an in-display fingerprint sensor and a triple camera system. That's not what this company was about when they started out. That's expensive and will be reflected in the price.

    Goodbye Oneplus, I owned the OP3 and currently the OP5, but unless you change track with the next phone and bring the jack back, which is unlikely, I won't be buying your phones anymore.

    6 votes
    1. [3]
      Zeph
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      I'm still on the OP2 haha, it's a great phone. I love the profile switch slider, do the later ones have it?

      I'm still on the OP2 haha, it's a great phone. I love the profile switch slider, do the later ones have it?

      1 vote
      1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Both the 3T and 6 (the two I've had) have the slider. I'd be surprised if they got rid of that too in the 6T.

        Both the 3T and 6 (the two I've had) have the slider. I'd be surprised if they got rid of that too in the 6T.

        1 vote
      2. EightRoundsRapid
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        I just moved from a OP2 to a Nokia 7 Plus, and the only thing I miss is the slider.

        I just moved from a OP2 to a Nokia 7 Plus, and the only thing I miss is the slider.

        1 vote
  5. [2]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    I have a OnePlus 6, which does have the headphone jack. I never use it, relying exclusively on Bluetooth headphones. But even still, dropping the jack seems wrong. USB-C headphones aren't anywhere...

    I have a OnePlus 6, which does have the headphone jack. I never use it, relying exclusively on Bluetooth headphones. But even still, dropping the jack seems wrong. USB-C headphones aren't anywhere near standardized enough yet.

    5 votes
    1. SammyP6
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      telling people to use usb-c headphones instead of 3.5mm is ONLY acceptable if you put 2 usb-c ports

      telling people to use usb-c headphones instead of 3.5mm is ONLY acceptable if you put 2 usb-c ports

      2 votes
  6. [26]
    teaearlgraycold
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    For a phone made for enthusiasts, this doesn't seem like a good move for the company. I know they don't have any choice, and the 6T's body comes from an OPPO phone without a headphone jack. But...

    For a phone made for enthusiasts, this doesn't seem like a good move for the company. I know they don't have any choice, and the 6T's body comes from an OPPO phone without a headphone jack. But still, I hope OnePlus sees significant losses from this move. If any company should receive backlash for this move it's them.

    4 votes
    1. [25]
      hotcouch
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      I think internet folks are overrating how people in the real world feel about headphone jacks. Have you guys used the totally cordless bluetooth headphones that are coming out? It's next level...

      I think internet folks are overrating how people in the real world feel about headphone jacks.

      Have you guys used the totally cordless bluetooth headphones that are coming out? It's next level stuff, honestly. Like, my life has noticeably improved in quality since the iPhone 7 came out and it's definitely partly to do with the loss of the jack.

      e: I mean, maybe you're right about the OnePlus because it is more niche, but still I really don't see this changing anything. Most people got used to this real quick.

      4 votes
      1. [15]
        demifiend
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        The 3.5mm jack is how I connect my phone to my 10 year old car's stereo. It's how I connect it to my 30-year-old component stereo at home. And don't even think of telling me to "just buy new...

        I think internet folks are overrating how people in the real world feel about headphone jacks.

        The 3.5mm jack is how I connect my phone to my 10 year old car's stereo. It's how I connect it to my 30-year-old component stereo at home. And don't even think of telling me to "just buy new gear". The old gear still works, and the new gear is overpriced and poor-quality.

        8 votes
        1. [14]
          hotcouch
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          Right, it's how you and a lot of other vocal complainers use it. That's fine. Don't upgrade, then. If your car stereo doesn't have bluetooth you probably don't need cutting edge tech, mate. This...

          Right, it's how you and a lot of other vocal complainers use it. That's fine. Don't upgrade, then. If your car stereo doesn't have bluetooth you probably don't need cutting edge tech, mate.

          poor quality

          This is just factually incorrect.

          3 votes
          1. [9]
            spctrvl
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            Maybe you've just been lucky or something, but I've had numerous problems with bluetooth audio that simply don't exist when using the 3.5 jack. Pairing two devices for the first time practically...

            This is just factually incorrect.

            Maybe you've just been lucky or something, but I've had numerous problems with bluetooth audio that simply don't exist when using the 3.5 jack. Pairing two devices for the first time practically never works for me, I usually have to make three or four attempts. Once connected, the stream occasionally just craps out for a second and then resumes playing, fast forwarding to the point in the song the device is at. And god help you if two people's devices try to connect to a speaker/car stereo at the same time, or you want to use your headphones while someone else is using the microwave, or a cordless phone, or you forget to charge them.

            And all of these problems I've had were on recent stuff. Year old car, two year old (flagship) phone, year old speaker, etc.

            Don't upgrade, then. If your car stereo doesn't have bluetooth you probably don't need cutting edge tech, mate.

            A loss in functionality isn't an upgrade. Unless this undocumented feature was the cause of all my woes, headphone jacks don't throw off radio interference that stops bluetooth from working (unlike half of wireless tech). You can have both, and we did for over a decade before apple pulled an apple and android manufacturers started aping them as they do best. (And don't give me the battery size upgrade argument, you could fit 50mAh tops in the internal volume of the headphone jack and circuit.)

            5 votes
            1. [4]
              Gaywallet
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              When's the last time you tried to pair a bluetooth device? Can you provide more detail here? What kind of device are you pairing and what device is streaming the audio? You can actually buy...

              Pairing two devices for the first time practically never works for me

              When's the last time you tried to pair a bluetooth device?

              Once connected, the stream occasionally just craps out for a second and then resumes playing, fast forwarding to the point in the song the device is at

              Can you provide more detail here? What kind of device are you pairing and what device is streaming the audio?

              And god help you if two people's devices try to connect to a speaker/car stereo at the same time

              You can actually buy bluetooth splitters (or use software that does this, so long as there are multiple bluetooth outputs), including ones that also connect to a 3.5mm jack

              1 vote
              1. [3]
                spctrvl
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                Would've been a couple days ago, pairing my phone to a family member's car, which was also the device that had the fast forward issue. The car was a 2017 Mazda sedan with the factory stereo, the...

                Would've been a couple days ago, pairing my phone to a family member's car, which was also the device that had the fast forward issue. The car was a 2017 Mazda sedan with the factory stereo, the phone streaming the music (from a local mp3 file, so network issues weren't in play) was a Moto X Pure.

                Did not know about Bluetooth splitters, sounds like a handy thing to have around for shared devices.

                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  Gaywallet
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                  I've found car bluetooth is far less reliable than a bluetooth transmitter plugged into the 3.5mm jack. I'm not sure why, but most cars have shitty bluetooth that's delayed or problematic. If I...

                  I've found car bluetooth is far less reliable than a bluetooth transmitter plugged into the 3.5mm jack. I'm not sure why, but most cars have shitty bluetooth that's delayed or problematic. If I had to guess, it's because they skimp on price and buy really cheap/old transmitters.

                  2 votes
                  1. spctrvl
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                    Ah. That might be the reason I have a bad impression of Bluetooth audio then, since that's the only example I use frequently.

                    Ah. That might be the reason I have a bad impression of Bluetooth audio then, since that's the only example I use frequently.

                    1 vote
            2. [4]
              hotcouch
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              Lol you just clearly have not used modern bluetooth devices then. I don't know how to even reply to that. Sorry your luck is worse than anyone else alive, I guess. Wireless phones sucked too when...

              Lol you just clearly have not used modern bluetooth devices then. I don't know how to even reply to that. Sorry your luck is worse than anyone else alive, I guess.

              Wireless phones sucked too when they first made them wireless. That may have been the case with bluetooth like three years ago, but it just is not now. To say that I must be lucky is really, really funny to me and honestly just proves you simply have not experienced it yourself.

              e: I'm gonna stop arguing this because I'm pretty certain you aren't arguing in good faith here. I urge you to try it out, because it's really getting awesome.

              1. [3]
                spctrvl
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                Did you, uh, read my comment? What's modern to you, stuff that came out last week? I think the guy arguing past me, ignoring my points and dismissing my problems is projecting a little.

                Lol you just clearly have not used modern bluetooth devices then.

                Did you, uh, read my comment?

                And all of these problems I've had were on recent stuff. Year old car, two year old (flagship) phone, year old speaker, etc.

                What's modern to you, stuff that came out last week?

                e: I'm gonna stop arguing this because I'm pretty certain you aren't arguing in good faith here. I urge you to try it out, because it's really getting awesome.

                I think the guy arguing past me, ignoring my points and dismissing my problems is projecting a little.

                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  hotcouch
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                  Yes I read it and I just don't believe you lol. Bye now.

                  Yes I read it and I just don't believe you lol.

                  Bye now.

                  1. spctrvl
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                    What? What possible incentive would I have to just make up issues? Do you think I'm some sort of shill for big 3.5 jack? I'd much prefer it if my experience with Bluetooth audio was as flawless as...

                    What? What possible incentive would I have to just make up issues? Do you think I'm some sort of shill for big 3.5 jack? I'd much prefer it if my experience with Bluetooth audio was as flawless as yours.

                    2 votes
          2. [4]
            PetitPrince
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            I fail to see how those two are related, can you explain? In my mind : personal car: the life cycle of a car is (fortunately) much longer than a phone, and it is reasonable to expect for an old...

            If your car stereo doesn't have bluetooth you probably don't need cutting edge tech, mate.

            I fail to see how those two are related, can you explain? In my mind :

            • personal car: the life cycle of a car is (fortunately) much longer than a phone, and it is reasonable to expect for an old car not to have top notch Bluetooth (anecdata : my 10 year old car has Bluetooth only for handsfree). Old car are cheaper to buy compared to new one, so for someone with a budget or with very occasional use of a car it seems to me reasonable to have an old thing
            • rental car: sometime they don't have the latest tech in their fleet.Au
            4 votes
            1. [3]
              hotcouch
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              My point is you don't need to upgrade your phone every single year. Nobody does. Especially not someone who whines about not having an AUX port in a car--a fix that's a hell of a lot cheaper than...

              My point is you don't need to upgrade your phone every single year. Nobody does. Especially not someone who whines about not having an AUX port in a car--a fix that's a hell of a lot cheaper than a phone. An iPhone 6S is perfectly fine. So is an SE.

              But people would rather complain.

              1. [2]
                spit-evil-olive-tips
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                True, but phones are notoriously prone to planned obsolescence. Say someone is still using a trusty old phone and it breaks or dies, forcing them to upgrade. It's reasonable to expect a new phone...

                My point is you don't need to upgrade your phone every single year. Nobody does.

                True, but phones are notoriously prone to planned obsolescence. Say someone is still using a trusty old phone and it breaks or dies, forcing them to upgrade. It's reasonable to expect a new phone to work with an old-ish car.

                someone who whines

                But people would rather complain.

                This is unnecessary.

                2 votes
                1. hotcouch
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                  I'm not gonna get into conspiracy theories. And "forcing someone to upgrade" sounds insane to me--just cop any of the hundreds of phones that still work great and have a jack. That isn't a real...

                  planned obsolescence

                  I'm not gonna get into conspiracy theories. And "forcing someone to upgrade" sounds insane to me--just cop any of the hundreds of phones that still work great and have a jack. That isn't a real scenario you're even describing. Nobody is forced to buy a aux-less phone. Seriously, how is this a problem unless you're obsessed about having the absolute newest thing? An iPhone SE will perform for the vast majority of people more than fine and will for the next foreseeable future. We are already experiencing diminishing returns, just about any flagship phone from the past few years is a solid piece of tech.

                  expect a new phone to work with an old-ish car

                  It will work fine with an old car if you throw any radio made in the past decade in it. Again, I'm not seeing how this is a real problem. Anyone spending a grand on a modern phone without a jack can probably spare some measly change on upgrading their car too.

                  This is unnecessary.

                  And yeah probably but I've had this conversation a million times and people who share your opinion almost unanimously just don't have the experience to speak about it. I simply do not understand how people are still complaining about this two years after the iPhone 7 dropped it. Most people just moved on, and our lives are better for it.

      2. [4]
        teaearlgraycold
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        I'm not saying that bluetooth headphones aren't good. I just see removing the headphone jack as a move made purely out of profit. They save a tiny bit on the internals and force you to buy a...

        I'm not saying that bluetooth headphones aren't good. I just see removing the headphone jack as a move made purely out of profit. They save a tiny bit on the internals and force you to buy a bluetooth alternative (OnePlus, Apple, and others just happen to sell these as well).

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          hotcouch
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          I mean... nothing in our capitalistic society would happen without profit incentive, but this happens to be something that appears to be helping make actual, real-life advances in tech. Those...

          I mean... nothing in our capitalistic society would happen without profit incentive, but this happens to be something that appears to be helping make actual, real-life advances in tech. Those earbuds are getting better and better, and vastly cheaper too. If you want quality, you probably won't go to a phone maker for earbuds anyway. Let's be honest--people wouldn't have worked as hard to make good bluetooth buds if Apple didn't start the trend.

          The AirPods sell because they are a great product, not because Apple tricked a bunch of people. I'm obviously biased as I loved the decision myself, but people are still overreacting imo. Everyone owes it to themselves to go try on a pair of modern bluetooth headphones.

          I'll also note that I highly doubt they've saved anything on it, because each iPhone has gotten more expensive to make. I think the real "brave" part about the move is that Apple doesn't really give a shit if some people don't like it. For a move made "purely" out of profit, there are sure a lot of loudmouths ripping them apart for the decision. Clearly they made the right move.

          1 vote
          1. [2]
            teaearlgraycold
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            It's possible to make decisions that are profitable and don't cost the end user an extra set of headphones. I'm sure they sound fine, but I'm sure far less people would buy the AirPods if there...

            It's possible to make decisions that are profitable and don't cost the end user an extra set of headphones.

            I'm sure they sound fine, but I'm sure far less people would buy the AirPods if there was a 3.5mm jack on their iPhone. They're not so amazing they require purchase... unless you can't use your existing headphones.

            3 votes
            1. hotcouch
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              iPhones come with headphones. And yeah, they never would have used it if the push wasn't made. That's not the point. The point is everyone capable of adjusting now has a marginally better life for it.

              iPhones come with headphones. And yeah, they never would have used it if the push wasn't made. That's not the point. The point is everyone capable of adjusting now has a marginally better life for it.

      3. [5]
        Grzmot
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        Having a headphone jack doesn't stop you from enjoying your wireless headphones, so your life didn't improve because of the loss.

        Like, my life has noticeably improved in quality since the iPhone 7 came out and it's definitely partly to do with the loss of the jack.

        Having a headphone jack doesn't stop you from enjoying your wireless headphones, so your life didn't improve because of the loss.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          hotcouch
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          You're missing the point. I never would have invested in the technology, along with a loooooot of other people. Without the "loss," I wouldn't have ever gone cordless because I didn't know any...

          You're missing the point. I never would have invested in the technology, along with a loooooot of other people. Without the "loss," I wouldn't have ever gone cordless because I didn't know any better.

          With so many people going cordless, companies now have reason to do a better job and advance the tech. So yeah, actually, that was the catalyst whether you like it or not.

          1. [3]
            hightrix
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            Most wireless headphones have built in batteries. Are you prepared to rebuy your headphones every couple of years due to the battery losing its ability to hold charge? This is one of the many...

            Most wireless headphones have built in batteries. Are you prepared to rebuy your headphones every couple of years due to the battery losing its ability to hold charge?

            This is one of the many complaints.

            3 votes
            1. spctrvl
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              That's a really good point that I've never really considered. Really makes wireless headphones into a double whammy of planned obsolescence.

              That's a really good point that I've never really considered. Really makes wireless headphones into a double whammy of planned obsolescence.

              2 votes
            2. hotcouch
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              Definitely lol, most of my headphones don't last that long anyway and they just keep getting cheaper and cheaper.

              Definitely lol, most of my headphones don't last that long anyway and they just keep getting cheaper and cheaper.

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    Very confused on how to feel about this. On the one hand, the OnePlus 6 so far is an excellent phone with a great camera, headphone jack in a sensible spot, great battery life. On the other hand,...

    Very confused on how to feel about this. On the one hand, the OnePlus 6 so far is an excellent phone with a great camera, headphone jack in a sensible spot, great battery life. On the other hand, I can't Google Chromecast properly from the Photos app, I had trouble charging it in different outlets, and the camera aspect ratio feels weird 19:9??

    I was hoping the OnePlus 6T would fix some of these issues but it looks like they just want to release a follow-up quickly and rake in more cash with minimal improvements.

    2 votes
  8. tnkflx
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    The sad thing about this is https://twitter.com/getpeid/status/973745407208468485?lang=en. Carl Pei: Do you like headphone jacks? 🤔 (2018 edition) 88%: Yes, 12%: No.

    The sad thing about this is https://twitter.com/getpeid/status/973745407208468485?lang=en.

    Carl Pei: Do you like headphone jacks? 🤔 (2018 edition)
    88%: Yes, 12%: No.

    2 votes