27 votes

Is there a Google-free future for Firefox?

15 comments

  1. [11]
    JXM
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    To me (and it seems like many others), this is one of the major selling points of Firefox. It's not owned by a big company like Microsoft, Apple or Google. They aren't beholden to their corporate...

    Enhanced privacy and security have become the chief selling points of many niche browser makers, including rivals such as Vivaldi and Brave.

    To me (and it seems like many others), this is one of the major selling points of Firefox. It's not owned by a big company like Microsoft, Apple or Google. They aren't beholden to their corporate wishes. Or at least they won't be if they can find a way to make money without taking it from Google.

    The problem is that making your browser respect people's privacy doesn't make you any money...

    I also wonder how much longer Google will keep propping Mozilla up financially. It seems very reminiscent of the late 90s when Microsoft helped keep Apple afloat to allay anti-trust investigations.

    17 votes
    1. [10]
      unknown user
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      I think is better f0r G00gle t0 supp0rt M0zilla s0 that they are n0t perceived as the bad guys and t0 av0id any further p0ssible legal issues f0r their m0n0p0listic attitudes, alth0ugh they can...

      I think is better f0r G00gle t0 supp0rt M0zilla s0 that they are n0t perceived as the bad guys and t0 av0id any further p0ssible legal issues f0r their m0n0p0listic attitudes, alth0ugh they can l0bby and buy all the senate if they wanted, s0 I d0n't really kn0w.

      2 votes
      1. JXM
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        They might be able to buy their way out of antitrust here in the US, but it seems like the rest of the world (the European Union in particular) are going after them.

        They might be able to buy their way out of antitrust here in the US, but it seems like the rest of the world (the European Union in particular) are going after them.

        2 votes
      2. [8]
        stu2b50
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        Is there any particular reason you're substituting 'o' for '0'?

        Is there any particular reason you're substituting 'o' for '0'?

        3 votes
        1. Grimalkin
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          From their introductory post:

          From their introductory post:

          Btw, I'm new and my "o" key is br0ken, hell0!

          9 votes
        2. FishFingus
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          Their o key is broken. EDIT: No, seriously, it's broken.

          Their o key is broken.

          EDIT: No, seriously, it's broken.

          6 votes
        3. [5]
          unknown user
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          im poor and i dont have enough money to buy another keyboard, someone reported me so i have to fix this or i can't write with "0"s anymore u.u

          im poor and i dont have enough money to buy another keyboard, someone reported me so i have to fix this or i can't write with "0"s anymore u.u

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            Nodja
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            You can remap the 0 key to the o key, assuming you're on windows Download and install autohotkey Download this autohotkey script (ctrl+s on the page). Double click the file This will make 0 type o...

            You can remap the 0 key to the o key, assuming you're on windows

            1. Download and install autohotkey
            2. Download this autohotkey script (ctrl+s on the page).
            3. Double click the file

            This will make 0 type o and alt+0 type O.
            To disable the mapping just right click the tray icon that shows up when you load the file.

            4 votes
            1. wervenyt
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              They're not on Windows, as they said in another thread.

              They're not on Windows, as they said in another thread.

              2 votes
          2. tomf
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            Would something like this help? https://sourceforge.net/projects/gxkb/ Not sure if you can, but if you could have `0 come out as zero, you could map 0 as o on the base layer or something similar....

            Would something like this help? https://sourceforge.net/projects/gxkb/

            Not sure if you can, but if you could have `0 come out as zero, you could map 0 as o on the base layer or something similar.

            You can also use xmodmap if you're more comfortable with that. I've only done this for mapping HYPER, though.

            2 votes
          3. ohyran
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            Seriously? If you're in Sweden I can send you a keyboard. EDIT: if you need help remapping keys on Linux, holler EDIT2: Here is a method that would work on Elementary if they don't have a keyboard...

            Seriously? If you're in Sweden I can send you a keyboard.

            EDIT: if you need help remapping keys on Linux, holler

            EDIT2: Here is a method that would work on Elementary if they don't have a keyboard remap app https://askubuntu.com/questions/296155/how-can-i-remap-keyboard-keys

            2 votes
  2. [5]
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    1. dblohm7
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      To be fair, that was never a goal for Firefox. Firefox needs to have a significant enough userbase to be able to influence the evolution of the web. It was never about winning browser wars....

      Firefox will never be the market leader in browsers again. It doesn't matter how hard they try.

      To be fair, that was never a goal for Firefox. Firefox needs to have a significant enough userbase to be able to influence the evolution of the web. It was never about winning browser wars.

      (Please don’t misconstrue this as satisfaction with the status quo.)

      13 votes
    2. [2]
      JXM
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      I just don't see a lot of people paying for a subscription like that when they can get all of that (minus the VPN) for free through Google.

      I think Firefox can fill this void. Provide users with security and privacy tools that give them real benefits. A subscription bundle that can include things like an email, calendar, storage, password manager, VPN (they're working on this) etc. and sell it at a reasonable price.

      I just don't see a lot of people paying for a subscription like that when they can get all of that (minus the VPN) for free through Google.

      4 votes
      1. unknown user
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        That's the issue that has been kind 0f affecting libre s0ftware in the last c0uple 0f years, hyperc0rp0rati0ns create the illusi0n 0f 0fferin services which require a big initial funding and...

        That's the issue that has been kind 0f affecting libre s0ftware in the last c0uple 0f years, hyperc0rp0rati0ns create the illusi0n 0f 0fferin services which require a big initial funding and m0nthly inc0mes t0 keep it alive f0r free, and that's alm0st never the case f0r this kinds 0f pr0jects where the budget is always tight. With0ut g0vernment regulati0n it is truly imp0ssible t0 keep and 0pen, decentralised web.

        5 votes
    3. mxuribe
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      I've been saying this for so long now...Of course, I've only been yelling into a corner of my living room where i have my armchair...but, still, i think it is a rational avenue for Mozilla....

      A subscription bundle that can include things like an email, calendar, storage, password manager, VPN (they're working on this) etc. and sell it at a reasonable price...

      I've been saying this for so long now...Of course, I've only been yelling into a corner of my living room where i have my armchair...but, still, i think it is a rational avenue for Mozilla. @kimyon stated it quite well with...

      I don't see a lot of people paying for a product they can otherwise get free either, but that doesn't mean there's no market there...

      In fact, while, yes, the bulk of the online population will steer towards free/no-cost products, more and more often nowadays it feels like there is a segment that is more tuned into the privacy invasions from the Goliath internet firms, and is willing - and has the wherewithal - to pay for services. Maybe - and unfortunately - this segment might be affluent, but there is precedent for orgs to focus on the premium space instead of focusing on the value arena...the ol' "if they go low, you go high" approach - but in terms of business model and not morality. I'm by no means affluent, but i would pay Mozilla for such services, at least if they offered low-priced plans! (What i annually donate nowadays to them would simply be turned into my subscription fees.)

      4 votes