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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app

14 comments

  1. [3]
    just_a_salmon
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    How did Facebook convince themselves that this was a good idea right after the FTC sued them for illegal monopolization?

    How did Facebook convince themselves that this was a good idea right after the FTC sued them for illegal monopolization?

    13 votes
    1. [2]
      tempestoftruth
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      I imagine the plan is to integrate the data sharing scheme across the platforms, then claim that breaking them up would be too difficult so the FTC takes some other approach to regulating them.

      I imagine the plan is to integrate the data sharing scheme across the platforms, then claim that breaking them up would be too difficult so the FTC takes some other approach to regulating them.

      21 votes
      1. JXM
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        Yeah, they've been doing this for a while now with Instagram.

        Yeah, they've been doing this for a while now with Instagram.

        4 votes
  2. [4]
    Grzmot
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    Facebook tried doing this shortly after buying Whatsapp and stopped doing it after the EU came after them. This is why the opt-out was given in 2016. I wonder what changed, but interestingly...

    Facebook tried doing this shortly after buying Whatsapp and stopped doing it after the EU came after them. This is why the opt-out was given in 2016. I wonder what changed, but interestingly enough in the German version of the pop-out doesn't have the third bullet point, and also offers a option to delay accepting the new terms until 08.02.2021, I wonder if Facebooks anticipating problems.

    7 votes
    1. [3]
      Venko
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      Looks like the Whatsapp data is NOT being combined with Facebook data if you're resident in the EU, EEA or UK.

      Looks like the Whatsapp data is NOT being combined with Facebook data if you're resident in the EU, EEA or UK.

      5 votes
      1. sron
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        Sadly I think it is only a matter of time, with the text of the GDPR and it's enforcement being entirely up to the UK now it gives them a little more room to play.

        Sadly I think it is only a matter of time, with the text of the GDPR and it's enforcement being entirely up to the UK now it gives them a little more room to play.

        3 votes
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    RusticGiraffe
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    This is unfortunate. I use WhatsApp to communicate with relatives abroad and with a local ethnic group that uses WhatsApp exclusively. There's no chance that I can convince the 100+ people who I...

    This is unfortunate.

    I use WhatsApp to communicate with relatives abroad and with a local ethnic group that uses WhatsApp exclusively.

    There's no chance that I can convince the 100+ people who I currently communicate with using WhatsApp to move to an alternative like Signal.

    7 votes
    1. NaraVara
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      This has actually finally given me an opening to pivot my family group chat off WhatsApp. My relatives are no happy with it, even the ones who know nothing of technology and don’t care about...

      This has actually finally given me an opening to pivot my family group chat off WhatsApp. My relatives are no happy with it, even the ones who know nothing of technology and don’t care about privacy on an ideological level.

      4 votes
    2. ali
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      It’s a slow process. When I started using signal years ago I was only able to convince like 2 or 3 people to join me. Now I feel like the movement processs is gaining traction. Everyone only needs...

      It’s a slow process. When I started using signal years ago I was only able to convince like 2 or 3 people to join me. Now I feel like the movement processs is gaining traction. Everyone only needs to convince a few people, keep both apps for a while and I’m sure people will mirgrate slowly.

      3 votes
  4. guts
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    In my country everyone uses WhatsApp for communication and for some time it has been mostly difficult inviting them to Telegram even when it is the most featured wise. What will happen people will...

    In my country everyone uses WhatsApp for communication and for some time it has been mostly difficult inviting them to Telegram even when it is the most featured wise. What will happen people will just accept Facebook conditions and move along like is irrelevant in their lives.

    If Signal wants to gain networks effects privacy by itself is not enough for non-tech people, Telegram has been clever adding features non-tech people like but still is a difficult task taking them from WhatsApp.

    6 votes
  5. [3]
    Greg
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    It's worth mentioning this in your group chats. It's not about expecting people to switch today, it's about raising awareness that WhatsApp is going downhill and Signal is the new replacement....

    It's worth mentioning this in your group chats. It's not about expecting people to switch today, it's about raising awareness that WhatsApp is going downhill and Signal is the new replacement. Ideas need time to settle before people act on them. Something as simple as "Apparently that new WhatsApp terms thing that came up is so they can sell even more of our info to advertisers. Signal is supposed to be good if anyone wants to try it". Maybe throw in this image depending on your audience.

    Lay the foundations now and you'll see people start seriously considering moving in six months after the next three shitty Zuckerberg stories have been in the news cycle. Get it into the conversation early and Signal will be "that thing everyone's been talking about", rather than some weird new app that they've never heard of.

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      nobody
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      I won't delude myself into thinking that the same people using Instagram and Facebook will switch to another chat app just because of privacy. This argument doesn't work with average people.

      It's worth mentioning this in your group chats. It's not about expecting people to switch today [...]

      I won't delude myself into thinking that the same people using Instagram and Facebook will switch to another chat app just because of privacy. This argument doesn't work with average people.

      4 votes
      1. bilbodwyer
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        Quite right. My parents will use whatever platform our family's group chat is on. They don't want to have to use multiple apps for a year while people start to switch over, piecemeal. They don't...

        Quite right. My parents will use whatever platform our family's group chat is on. They don't want to have to use multiple apps for a year while people start to switch over, piecemeal. They don't want to remember who's on what system. They just want to see pictures of their grandkids (which, I should add, are automatically saved into your phone's gallery via WhatsApp, and not on signal)

        3 votes