We were thinking of using ~lit for literature or ~books (reading and writing) but yes this is coming eventually and it's one of the most requested groups. However on reddit in /r/books the quality...
We were thinking of using ~lit for literature or ~books (reading and writing) but yes this is coming eventually and it's one of the most requested groups. However on reddit in /r/books the quality is tenuous at best so we just need to be careful where it goes here.
We are also open to other name suggestions though. Ideally one that encompass a more more specific range of topics since just ~reading with no other context since that can apply to way too much.
I would stray away from ~lit in favour of ~literature to avoid confusion, with a curated list of groups, we want to avoid crpytic names. ~lit can mean so many things
I would stray away from ~lit in favour of ~literature to avoid confusion, with a curated list of groups, we want to avoid crpytic names. ~lit can mean so many things
We were actually considering allowing multiple ways to access the same groups. E.g. ~literature and ~lit going to the same top level group... ~literature.books.fantasy ~lit.books.fantasy same...
We were actually considering allowing multiple ways to access the same groups. E.g. ~literature and ~lit going to the same top level group... ~literature.books.fantasy~lit.books.fantasy same subgroup, etc... since typing literature over and over can get tedious. This isn't a concrete plan yet though, just the seed of an idea we have talked about.
Really like this, I know there were some shortened subs on reddit that only existed with a single redirect link to the larger sub. (ex: /r/lol had a redirect to /r/leagueoflegends because people...
Really like this, I know there were some shortened subs on reddit that only existed with a single redirect link to the larger sub. (ex: /r/lol had a redirect to /r/leagueoflegends because people would just get tired of typing the whole thing over and over)
Yeah... because of that we have actually seriously considered allowing subgroups being accessible by their "common" shortened names so long as they don't overlap in the namespace. E.g....
Yeah... because of that we have actually seriously considered allowing subgroups being accessible by their "common" shortened names so long as they don't overlap in the namespace.
I called it ~reading because it's more general than ~books, as I assume a top level tilde should be. Putting poems or even webfiction or something called ~books might not be the best I think....
I called it ~reading because it's more general than ~books, as I assume a top level tilde should be. Putting poems or even webfiction or something called ~books might not be the best I think.
~literature would be fine but personally I prefer ~reading, mostly because school experience where the two have almost nothing to do with each other.
The problem with calling it ~reading IMO is that we would likely also need a ~writing since they are generally assumed to be mutually exclusive whereas in ~literature they both are included.
The problem with calling it ~reading IMO is that we would likely also need a ~writing since they are generally assumed to be mutually exclusive whereas in ~literature they both are included.
Taxonomy is a difficult thing that also has to be balanced against usability when dealing with group hierarchies, IMO, otherwise you wind up with incredibly deep structures that lose a great deal...
Taxonomy is a difficult thing that also has to be balanced against usability when dealing with group hierarchies, IMO, otherwise you wind up with incredibly deep structures that lose a great deal of their usefulness for group discovery and navigation (which is their primary purpose on ~). Rigid taxonomy would dictate we have everything under ~tildes, e.g ~tildes.official, ~tildes.groups.science.computerscience, etc. But that is a PITA. ;)
So instead we’re going with a less rigid top-level structure, in large part based on user demand in particular interests and usability, first and foremost. Hence ~sports being top-level despite that perhaps fitting best under ~recreation.sports, just as creative could fit under that as well. As the hierarchy develops it will most likely have to be restructured ever so often to maintain its usefulness since we don’t want the structure to be 20 levels deep like what happened to Usenet after enough time that all niche subjects were represented.
So would ~writing fall under ~creative? Technically, some of it would, yes... although not all writing is creative, e.g. technical and non-fiction writing. But since we know writing as a subject is popular, especially on reddit, and hope it will be here as well, we think it potentially justifies its own top-level group for usability’s sake especially since it could potentially branch into a great many subgroups/niches.
NP and keep the ideas, suggestions and questions coming... even if we don't ultimately use everyone's suggestions, the discussion itself is often valuable and helps us solidify our own positions...
NP and keep the ideas, suggestions and questions coming... even if we don't ultimately use everyone's suggestions, the discussion itself is often valuable and helps us solidify our own positions on decisions. E.g. I had never written about the formal thought process behind our decisions with the hierarchy yet but your question prompted that. So thanks to you too. ;)
Yeah, it's tough to predict and predesign these things though. Ultimately I think @deimos will probably just go with ~books to start since that is the most popular of them all on reddit. However...
Yeah, it's tough to predict and predesign these things though. Ultimately I think @deimos will probably just go with ~books to start since that is the most popular of them all on reddit. However if other related reading/writing groups get demanded we may merge them all into ~literature... or not... we're not quite sure yet... which is why we appreciate the suggestions and feedback! :P
I keep thinking that group should be dynamically created and eventually promoted to a "static" group with human/admin intervention when they reach a certain activity threshold. Becoming "static"...
I keep thinking that group should be dynamically created and eventually promoted to a "static" group with human/admin intervention when they reach a certain activity threshold. Becoming "static" group would allow them to be listed in the group index or receive a custom styling if provided. This kind of things.
This would allow communities to grow up spontaneously and work as a sort of super-tags while non-statics in terms of search and categorization.
As a reader since childhood, I like /r/books. :( We don't talk high literature, but we discuss cool scifi and hype for the next Brandon Sanderson Maybe there should actually be both ~lit and...
As a reader since childhood, I like /r/books. :(
We don't talk high literature, but we discuss cool scifi and hype for the next Brandon Sanderson
Maybe there should actually be both ~lit and ~books? probably too early for such a split, I guess.
Edit: Or more like lit discussion as a sub tilde of books or something this stuff is confusing
We were thinking of using ~lit for literature or ~books (reading and writing) but yes this is coming eventually and it's one of the most requested groups. However on reddit in /r/books the quality is tenuous at best so we just need to be careful where it goes here.
We are also open to other name suggestions though. Ideally one that encompass a more more specific range of topics since just ~reading with no other context since that can apply to way too much.
I would stray away from ~lit in favour of ~literature to avoid confusion, with a curated list of groups, we want to avoid crpytic names. ~lit can mean so many things
"Hey, bro. Did you see that new thread in ~lit?"
"Yeah, DUDE. That thread was so ~lit."
"Totally."
We were actually considering allowing multiple ways to access the same groups. E.g. ~literature and ~lit going to the same top level group... ~literature.books.fantasy ~lit.books.fantasy same subgroup, etc... since typing literature over and over can get tedious. This isn't a concrete plan yet though, just the seed of an idea we have talked about.
Really like this, I know there were some shortened subs on reddit that only existed with a single redirect link to the larger sub. (ex: /r/lol had a redirect to /r/leagueoflegends because people would just get tired of typing the whole thing over and over)
Yeah... because of that we have actually seriously considered allowing subgroups being accessible by their "common" shortened names so long as they don't overlap in the namespace.
E.g. ~games.moba.leagueoflegends being accessible by just going to ~lol
It would be cool to see ~tildes become just ~.
We tend to refer to the site as ~ so that might get confusing.
True, but it seems odd that https://tildes.net/~ is a 404 right now.
Good point, we should fix that.
Should it just redirect to tildes.net?
That would be my take on it, yes. Anything is better than a 404 though. ;)
I called it ~reading because it's more general than ~books, as I assume a top level tilde should be. Putting poems or even webfiction or something called ~books might not be the best I think.
~literature would be fine but personally I prefer ~reading, mostly because school experience where the two have almost nothing to do with each other.
The problem with calling it ~reading IMO is that we would likely also need a ~writing since they are generally assumed to be mutually exclusive whereas in ~literature they both are included.
Taxonomy is a difficult thing that also has to be balanced against usability when dealing with group hierarchies, IMO, otherwise you wind up with incredibly deep structures that lose a great deal of their usefulness for group discovery and navigation (which is their primary purpose on ~). Rigid taxonomy would dictate we have everything under ~tildes, e.g ~tildes.official, ~tildes.groups.science.computerscience, etc. But that is a PITA. ;)
So instead we’re going with a less rigid top-level structure, in large part based on user demand in particular interests and usability, first and foremost. Hence ~sports being top-level despite that perhaps fitting best under ~recreation.sports, just as creative could fit under that as well. As the hierarchy develops it will most likely have to be restructured ever so often to maintain its usefulness since we don’t want the structure to be 20 levels deep like what happened to Usenet after enough time that all niche subjects were represented.
So would ~writing fall under ~creative? Technically, some of it would, yes... although not all writing is creative, e.g. technical and non-fiction writing. But since we know writing as a subject is popular, especially on reddit, and hope it will be here as well, we think it potentially justifies its own top-level group for usability’s sake especially since it could potentially branch into a great many subgroups/niches.
NP and keep the ideas, suggestions and questions coming... even if we don't ultimately use everyone's suggestions, the discussion itself is often valuable and helps us solidify our own positions on decisions. E.g. I had never written about the formal thought process behind our decisions with the hierarchy yet but your question prompted that. So thanks to you too. ;)
I think ∼lit is too narrow too. Graphic novels for one wouldn't really fit. Maybe we will need a ∼comics too
That's my preference too.
To be fair, reading and writing are two different hobbies and activities.
Good point.Though I would assume that it would immediately split to ~literature.writing and ~literature.EverythingElse
Yeah, it's tough to predict and predesign these things though. Ultimately I think @deimos will probably just go with ~books to start since that is the most popular of them all on reddit. However if other related reading/writing groups get demanded we may merge them all into ~literature... or not... we're not quite sure yet... which is why we appreciate the suggestions and feedback! :P
I keep thinking that group should be dynamically created and eventually promoted to a "static" group with human/admin intervention when they reach a certain activity threshold. Becoming "static" group would allow them to be listed in the group index or receive a custom styling if provided. This kind of things.
This would allow communities to grow up spontaneously and work as a sort of super-tags while non-statics in terms of search and categorization.
As a reader since childhood, I like /r/books. :(
We don't talk high literature, but we discuss cool scifi and hype for the next Brandon Sanderson
Maybe there should actually be both ~lit and ~books? probably too early for such a split, I guess.
Edit: Or more like lit discussion as a sub tilde of books or something this stuff is confusing