I think this Reddit comment more or less captures my feelings about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/dropout/comments/1ktqws9/comment/mtw2rma If you weren't a huge fan of him before or whatever,...
If you weren't a huge fan of him before or whatever, obviously that's fine — he has a very specific style and it's not for everyone. But he's ultimately a champion of progressive movements, and he very clearly owned this mistake, apologized, and did not accept money even though he actually produced and released the video he was asked for. The action itself was obviously bad and world is clearly an unhinged crypto grift, but it doesn't really change my perspective about Conover at all.
Not really asking you and more asking aloud, is there any solid evidence in how much negative press or actions a "personality"/celebrity is able to get away with before losing credibility or...
Not really asking you and more asking aloud, is there any solid evidence in how much negative press or actions a "personality"/celebrity is able to get away with before losing credibility or viewership with their base?
A feeling of mine is that the more liberal someone is, the easier it is to see a celebrity make a mistake and people stop supporting and listening to them. Comparing that to what,again I myself feel is the case, that a more conservative celebrity will "get away" with a whole lot more before they are shunned or kicked out.
IMO it's really about what it is and how it's handled - there's a branding mistake or a joke that is in poor taste or something and there's being flat out offensive. Or betraying something core to...
IMO it's really about what it is and how it's handled - there's a branding mistake or a joke that is in poor taste or something and there's being flat out offensive. Or betraying something core to your audience. And there's misstepping and being like "hey all, genuinely I fucked up, my bad, here's what I'm doing to fix/address/recompense" vs a "fuck you I can do what I want" attitude that makes a big difference to me.
Matt Rife seeming to decide that he didn't want the heavily female fan base*, doing a bunch of bits about domestic violence and all the types of women he didn't like or didn't want to see and responding to the critics with a link to a helmet for disabled people was IMO a shithead move, but I wasn't his fan to begin with.
For me, Adam is obnoxious at times but I'm more annoyed at him for doing the thing with Tim Pool than falling for a crypto con and correcting it.
I think the difference lies though in that often the things that a more liberal or leftest comedian would be shunned for are things applauded in some right wing circles like transphobic or ableist jokes, and are broadly things that right wing politicians in particular are rarely held accountable for like sexual misconduct.
*I'm aware he was receiving crowd harassment from women, I don't think if resolving that was his goal that his actions were anymore forgivable.
I think its very personal, and also contingent on the person involved. For example, in this case, I would say being involved in a crypto scam is particularly egregious, because I think of Adam...
I think its very personal, and also contingent on the person involved.
For example, in this case, I would say being involved in a crypto scam is particularly egregious, because I think of Adam Conover as beinf a pretty hard leftist and rhe kind of guy who rails against greed and capitalistic tendencies.
So when I see someone like him caught up in a kind of money making pyramid scheme like crypto, it really makes me feel like he is a hack.
On the other hand, theres a bunch of drama going on right now because a lot of comedians like Bill Burr are going to a comedy festival in Riyadh. But I really am not that bothered by that because I always saw Bill Burr as a comedian more than anything, so him selling out to make a bunch of money doesn't really matter to me because I assumed he was doing it for the money the whole time.
I was familiar with Adam Conover from clips of his show Adam Ruins Everything, and I thought he was kind of a prick in that, but also that was just a character he was putting on for the show. But...
I was familiar with Adam Conover from clips of his show Adam Ruins Everything, and I thought he was kind of a prick in that, but also that was just a character he was putting on for the show.
But then I saw a clip of him talking to Joe Rogan on his podcast, and it seems like that actually is just what hes like.
It's frustrating because he's got this arrogant smugness to him (which I hate in people), but he's also quite often right, genuinely funny, and well-intentioned. I enjoy him best in small...
It's frustrating because he's got this arrogant smugness to him (which I hate in people), but he's also quite often right, genuinely funny, and well-intentioned. I enjoy him best in small doses...little appearances in Dropout stuff and random eps of Adam Ruins Everything are perfect, but I don't know that I'd enjoy an entire stand up special.
I kind of agree. He’s only fun if you are smugly agreeing with him entirely. And when he has an opinion that is bad or even just slightly different than your own he becomes insufferable. His tour...
I kind of agree. He’s only fun if you are smugly agreeing with him entirely. And when he has an opinion that is bad or even just slightly different than your own he becomes insufferable.
His tour was stopping at a local comedy club and my husband asked if I wanted to go see it. We passed.
I saw him just a couple weeks ago as he passed through my town. We had front-row seats and enjoyed it a lot. I don’t know anything about the controversies some have mentioned. The smugness is...
I saw him just a couple weeks ago as he passed through my town. We had front-row seats and enjoyed it a lot. I don’t know anything about the controversies some have mentioned. The smugness is true. But he was genuinely really funny and relatable.
Yeah I think I am done listening to Adam after he meatrode Worldcoin.
I think this Reddit comment more or less captures my feelings about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/dropout/comments/1ktqws9/comment/mtw2rma
If you weren't a huge fan of him before or whatever, obviously that's fine — he has a very specific style and it's not for everyone. But he's ultimately a champion of progressive movements, and he very clearly owned this mistake, apologized, and did not accept money even though he actually produced and released the video he was asked for. The action itself was obviously bad and world is clearly an unhinged crypto grift, but it doesn't really change my perspective about Conover at all.
Not really asking you and more asking aloud, is there any solid evidence in how much negative press or actions a "personality"/celebrity is able to get away with before losing credibility or viewership with their base?
A feeling of mine is that the more liberal someone is, the easier it is to see a celebrity make a mistake and people stop supporting and listening to them. Comparing that to what,again I myself feel is the case, that a more conservative celebrity will "get away" with a whole lot more before they are shunned or kicked out.
IMO it's really about what it is and how it's handled - there's a branding mistake or a joke that is in poor taste or something and there's being flat out offensive. Or betraying something core to your audience. And there's misstepping and being like "hey all, genuinely I fucked up, my bad, here's what I'm doing to fix/address/recompense" vs a "fuck you I can do what I want" attitude that makes a big difference to me.
Matt Rife seeming to decide that he didn't want the heavily female fan base*, doing a bunch of bits about domestic violence and all the types of women he didn't like or didn't want to see and responding to the critics with a link to a helmet for disabled people was IMO a shithead move, but I wasn't his fan to begin with.
For me, Adam is obnoxious at times but I'm more annoyed at him for doing the thing with Tim Pool than falling for a crypto con and correcting it.
I think the difference lies though in that often the things that a more liberal or leftest comedian would be shunned for are things applauded in some right wing circles like transphobic or ableist jokes, and are broadly things that right wing politicians in particular are rarely held accountable for like sexual misconduct.
*I'm aware he was receiving crowd harassment from women, I don't think if resolving that was his goal that his actions were anymore forgivable.
I think its very personal, and also contingent on the person involved.
For example, in this case, I would say being involved in a crypto scam is particularly egregious, because I think of Adam Conover as beinf a pretty hard leftist and rhe kind of guy who rails against greed and capitalistic tendencies.
So when I see someone like him caught up in a kind of money making pyramid scheme like crypto, it really makes me feel like he is a hack.
On the other hand, theres a bunch of drama going on right now because a lot of comedians like Bill Burr are going to a comedy festival in Riyadh. But I really am not that bothered by that because I always saw Bill Burr as a comedian more than anything, so him selling out to make a bunch of money doesn't really matter to me because I assumed he was doing it for the money the whole time.
I was familiar with Adam Conover from clips of his show Adam Ruins Everything, and I thought he was kind of a prick in that, but also that was just a character he was putting on for the show.
But then I saw a clip of him talking to Joe Rogan on his podcast, and it seems like that actually is just what hes like.
It's frustrating because he's got this arrogant smugness to him (which I hate in people), but he's also quite often right, genuinely funny, and well-intentioned. I enjoy him best in small doses...little appearances in Dropout stuff and random eps of Adam Ruins Everything are perfect, but I don't know that I'd enjoy an entire stand up special.
I kind of agree. He’s only fun if you are smugly agreeing with him entirely. And when he has an opinion that is bad or even just slightly different than your own he becomes insufferable.
His tour was stopping at a local comedy club and my husband asked if I wanted to go see it. We passed.
I saw him in San Francisco with a date and we both found him very entertaining. Mostly I remember him talking about the perils of dating.
I saw him just a couple weeks ago as he passed through my town. We had front-row seats and enjoyed it a lot. I don’t know anything about the controversies some have mentioned. The smugness is true. But he was genuinely really funny and relatable.
Like a lot of comedians, his character is an amplified version of himself.
He did make an apology video for that.