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HBO submits Game of Thrones final episode for best writing Emmy

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  1. [17]
    teaearlgraycold Link
    It would be fun to watch the ensuing response if it won this award. It would be a blatant display of corruption.

    It would be fun to watch the ensuing response if it won this award. It would be a blatant display of corruption.

    12 votes
    1. [2]
      TheJorro Link Parent
      I don't think corruption is the right concept here, it's not like it's proof that anyone has done anything underhanded. If anything, it would display favouritism or that it's all a popularity...

      I don't think corruption is the right concept here, it's not like it's proof that anyone has done anything underhanded. If anything, it would display favouritism or that it's all a popularity contest.

      You know, kind of like how Steve Carrel never won an Emmy for playing Michael Scott but kept losing to Jim Parsons for Sheldon Cooper.

      11 votes
      1. teaearlgraycold Link Parent
        I don't think GoT S8 is winning any popularity contests. Maybe a notoriety contest.

        a popularity contest

        I don't think GoT S8 is winning any popularity contests. Maybe a notoriety contest.

        3 votes
    2. [12]
      mrbig Link Parent
      As someone who stopped watching GOT in season 6, I watch the furor in disbelief. It cannot possibly be that bad.

      As someone who stopped watching GOT in season 6, I watch the furor in disbelief. It cannot possibly be that bad.

      5 votes
      1. [3]
        Loire Link Parent
        Let's see (spoilers): Dany and Missandei do not share a single conversation together all season before she is shoehorned into an emotional trigger scene to force MadDany. Jon's few lines all...

        Let's see (spoilers):

        Dany and Missandei do not share a single conversation together all season before she is shoehorned into an emotional trigger scene to force MadDany.

        Jon's few lines all season come down to "She's muh queen" and "Ah swore an ooth" over and over.

        Ballista are introduced as instareloading, gyroscoped weapons with the power to obliterate a galleon a mile away with laser precision. Dany's entire fleet is seemingly massacred easily in a single scene. Until Danny needs to take Kings Landing at which point a fleet of ballista decked warships and the walls of Kings Landing swarming withthe weapon every ten meters don't score a single hit and all get wiped out immediately.

        Neither Bran's Three eyed Crow storyline nor the White Walker plot line has any real resolution. Bran is just omniscient now and the White Walkers/Undead are gone forever because the mothership was shanked.

        During the battle with the undead scene main characters are shown over run again again in seemingly impossible scenarios. All of them inevitably survive.

        Jon's heritage is ultimately a non-factor. Like completely. Just another trigger for MadDany.

        The final rulers of Westeros all ens up being the fan favourite characters most of whom make very little sense in their positions.

        Gendry, very explicitly stated to have been born in King's Landing. After the show has multiple times explained the bastard's naming conventions is referred to as "Gendry Rivers".

        Jaime's entire arc is scrapped in favour of him going back to Cersei because he is addicted to her.

        Arya, the uber assasin, never having sailed a day in her life, decides she is going to pilot a boat and sail off into the sunset, because, why not?

        Tormund exclaiming "What kind of mad man rides a dragon!?" in shock. One season after he rides a dragon.

        And just infinitely more examples of piss poor "we don't give a fuck anymore" writing. It was bad.

        11 votes
        1. [2]
          spit-evil-olive-tips Link Parent
          To go more into depth on this - a pivotal moment in Jaime's character arc is when he reveals (to Brienne in the books, I forget who in the show) the reason he killed the Mad King. Aerys wanted to...

          Jaime's entire arc is scrapped

          To go more into depth on this - a pivotal moment in Jaime's character arc is when he reveals (to Brienne in the books, I forget who in the show) the reason he killed the Mad King. Aerys wanted to burn down all of King's Landing with wildfire rather than let Bobby B take the throne. Jaime kills him, as well as the master pyromancer, to prevent that and save the city.

          S8 Jaime: "I never cared about the innocents"

          All that character development, thrown away with a single line.

          6 votes
          1. Loire Link Parent
            Jesus Christ, I had blocked out that line. Its like they were trying to get it as wrong as possible. Or the fact that Euron's last few words include "I fucked the queen!" Euron the blood magic...

            Jesus Christ, I had blocked out that line. Its like they were trying to get it as wrong as possible.

            Or the fact that Euron's last few words include "I fucked the queen!" Euron the blood magic practicing, old god summoning, kraken summoning, torture porn, Dragon binding horn carrying, Valyrian steel armor owning pirate reduced to a horny frat boy.

            5 votes
      2. spit-evil-olive-tips Link Parent
        I gave up in season 6 as well, annoyed at how badly they butchered the Sand Snakes (among many other things). Then with all the hype about the final season, I actually re-watched from the very...

        I gave up in season 6 as well, annoyed at how badly they butchered the Sand Snakes (among many other things). Then with all the hype about the final season, I actually re-watched from the very beginning, got caught up, and watched S8.

        Yes, it was that bad. Sloppy, lazy writing all around. They had a goal they needed to get to, a very compressed timeframe in which to get there, and seemed to not really care how many corners got cut along the way.

        6 votes
      3. [6]
        Cosmos Link Parent
        It's not. Does the final season have serious flaws? Yes. But just like with Star Wars, most of the outrage is coming from people trying to be cool trashing the most hyped up show on TV. It's not...

        It's not. Does the final season have serious flaws? Yes. But just like with Star Wars, most of the outrage is coming from people trying to be cool trashing the most hyped up show on TV. It's not at all as bad as people are making it out to be.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          CALICO Link Parent
          Hard disagree. The pacing through all of Season 8 is fucked. It's not necessarily the 'what' but the 'how.' I'm not convinced D&D could write their way out of a wet paper bag, and I don't think...

          Hard disagree. The pacing through all of Season 8 is fucked. It's not necessarily the 'what' but the 'how.' I'm not convinced D&D could write their way out of a wet paper bag, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the highest rated episode of the season was written by somebody else. Put another way, the four weakest episodes of the season were all written by D&D.

          15 votes
          1. [2]
            seizethegoddamngap Link Parent
            I'm going to put some emphasis on your last sentence. Not only are the last 4 episodes this season the worst of the season. All 4 are in the top 5 worst episodes of the entirety of Game of Thrones...

            I'm going to put some emphasis on your last sentence.

            Not only are the last 4 episodes this season the worst of the season. All 4 are in the top 5 worst episodes of the entirety of Game of Thrones when looking at IMDB, and Critic Reviews and Audience Reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.

            8 votes
            1. Apos Link Parent
              And to put emphasis on your's. It's not just a bandwagon. The episodes are actually that bad.

              And to put emphasis on your's. It's not just a bandwagon. The episodes are actually that bad.

              6 votes
        2. Amarok Link Parent
          It has serious flaws in exactly the way that a hole in one's spacesuit is a serious problem. I'll extend that metaphor to Star Wars, Star Trek, and anything post-Endgame in the MCU because I'm...

          It has serious flaws in exactly the way that a hole in one's spacesuit is a serious problem. I'll extend that metaphor to Star Wars, Star Trek, and anything post-Endgame in the MCU because I'm feeling generous.

          This is what media consolidation gets us - wrecked franchises and heavy handed politics preaching from the hole in the show where the plot used to be. I honestly wouldn't even mind the politics - any politics, from any perspective - if there were still an interesting story there that was being serviced by said politics.

          At least the first three eps of Black Mirror's latest season weren't trash... and there's Expanse S4 coming. There's still a tiny, tiny bit of water out there in this vast desert.

          I do find myself hoping that Thrones wins the Emmy. The reaction to that would almost make the awards relevant again, if only as a parody of themselves.

          4 votes
        3. Pilgrim Link Parent
          I have to say that I think in this case, you're incorrect. It was objectively bad. And although I disagree with some of the criticism of Last Jedi, there were major plot holes that can only be the...

          I have to say that I think in this case, you're incorrect. It was objectively bad. And although I disagree with some of the criticism of Last Jedi, there were major plot holes that can only be the result of poor writing.

          3 votes
      4. Capn_HAXX Link Parent
        The final episode was decent IMO. But the whole final season was rushed so it was sort of like a cherry on top of a bowl of shit ice cream.

        The final episode was decent IMO. But the whole final season was rushed so it was sort of like a cherry on top of a bowl of shit ice cream.

        4 votes
    3. [2]
      Capn_HAXX Link Parent
      Award shows are driven by campaigning and popularity more so than quality. It's not really corruption because every award is driven in a similar context. Broken and meaningless though? Sure.

      Award shows are driven by campaigning and popularity more so than quality. It's not really corruption because every award is driven in a similar context. Broken and meaningless though? Sure.

      1 vote
      1. mrbig Link Parent
        Sure. We're silly to think that quality is the only concern there. It is just one among numerous factors. And this is not necessarily bad. Suppose Triumph of the Will was made in 1943. Despite...

        Sure. We're silly to think that quality is the only concern there. It is just one among numerous factors. And this is not necessarily bad.

        Suppose Triumph of the Will was made in 1943. Despite it's undeniable quality, would you want it to win the Oscar for Best Documentary Feature?

        1 vote
  2. zaarn Link
    To quote the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy: "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move"

    To quote the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy: "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move"

    6 votes
  3. [3]
    NaraVara (edited ) Link
    This is surprising. Even if we set aside the weaknesses of season 8 and they wanted to nominate something, I don’t see how they settled on episode 6 rather than episode 2. A Knight of the Seven...

    This is surprising. Even if we set aside the weaknesses of season 8 and they wanted to nominate something, I don’t see how they settled on episode 6 rather than episode 2.

    A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was easily the best episode of the season. Sure most of it was basically fanservice, but it was really well executed fan service. It was on par with some of the best episodes of the series, like Blackwater.

    The season was all downhill after that though. It was, in hindsight, the “dead cat bounce” after the precipitous quality drop throughout season 7.

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      imperialismus Link Parent
      I agree, it was the best episode of the season. But it was written by Bryan Cogman, whereas episode 6 was written by D&D, the showrunners, who presumably have a lot more sway with HBO.

      I agree, it was the best episode of the season. But it was written by Bryan Cogman, whereas episode 6 was written by D&D, the showrunners, who presumably have a lot more sway with HBO.

      1 vote
      1. NaraVara Link Parent
        That rendition of Jenny of Oldstones though. . .

        That rendition of Jenny of Oldstones though. . .

        1 vote