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WandaVision | Episode 1 & 2 Discussion Thread

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  1. tomf
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    I love everything about this. Two complaints: the aesthetic is close, but not perfect for the first / main part -- just a little film grain and tweaking the black level the smallest bit. (example)...

    I love everything about this.

    Two complaints:

    1. the aesthetic is close, but not perfect for the first / main part -- just a little film grain and tweaking the black level the smallest bit. (example)
    2. I'd love a third episode.

    I just love it. I had an idea of what we were going into, but this is way better. I'm so glad they've at least spent this much time in this part.

    7 votes
  2. [5]
    moocow1452
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    So that was interesting, I'm not sure if Wanda is in denial and purposely affecting reality, invoking something higher up on the cosmic org chart, or a combination of the two. Television...

    So that was interesting, I'm not sure if Wanda is in denial and purposely affecting reality, invoking something higher up on the cosmic org chart, or a combination of the two. Television shenanigans are fun and it's interesting seeing Marvel Studios doing a sitcom.

    5 votes
    1. [4]
      NaraVara
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      I actually have the early 90s Avengers arc that I think inspired this series. If that’s anything to go on: WARNING! SLIGHTLY SPOILERY SPECULATION FOLLOWS . . . Wanda herself is using her reality...

      I actually have the early 90s Avengers arc that I think inspired this series. If that’s anything to go on:

      WARNING! SLIGHTLY SPOILERY SPECULATION FOLLOWS
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      Wanda herself is using her reality altering powers to create the normal(ish) American sitcom life for herself that she can’t otherwise have. She’s not doing it intentionally, but her longing for such a life has manifested these things subconsciously and she’s mentally vacillating between letting herself buy into the delusion and trying to snap herself out of it. The others in the town are regular people being forced to play their parts, only cracking when there is a real crisis. For example, when Mr. Hart started choking Mrs. Hart was saying “Stop it” as a gag line, but as it goes it becomes clear she’s pleading to Wanda to put a stop to it and save him. Then it’s Wanda who commands Vision to save him, letting him break character for just a second.

      In the comics it doesn’t go quite this far, but she does end up conjuring for herself a blissful domestic life with a pair of twins. Eventually she snaps out of it and realized that her twins aren’t real, which causes them to disappear as if they never existed, leading Wanda to have a complete psychotic breakdown. This was all orchestrated by Mephisto to make her go insane and do a bunch of mixing up of parallel universes stuff.

      Now in the MCU, we do know the next big tent pole movie is going to be a Dr. Strange one that explores traversing parallel dimensions. It has been speculated that this will be a vehicle to bring in some of the Marvel IP that Disney reacquired from Fox and Sony, specifically the X-Men/Mutants and the Fantastic 4. The ending of this season could well be the trigger for the events leading into that.

      EDIT: So I dug up the old issues and I was misremembering some stuff. It was not Mephisto who schemed it, it was Immortus a.k.a. Kang the Conqueror. Who, funnily enough, has been confirmed as the antagonist in the next Ant-Man movie!

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        Good_Apollo
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        Spoilers maybe: . . . . I particularly liked the idea that they’re setting up her as a villain for Dr. Strange, after she snaps from the events in Wandavision. She loses it after losing her kids...

        Spoilers maybe:
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        I particularly liked the idea that they’re setting up her as a villain for Dr. Strange, after she snaps from the events in Wandavision. She loses it after losing her kids (as well as Vision) so Scarlet Witch is going to lose control and tear holes in the fabric of reality, a task for Strange to deal with. What’s the name of the Strange sequel? Multiverse of Madness. M.O.M.

        Dun Dunn Dunnnnn!

        5 votes
        1. NaraVara
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          Check out my edit to the original post. I was misremembering some parts of the story.

          Check out my edit to the original post. I was misremembering some parts of the story.

          1 vote
      2. cfabbro
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        Yeah, given that Feige has admitted that WandaVision is intended to directly set up Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the Mephisto arc involving Scarlett Witch that you're referencing...

        I actually have the early 90s Avengers arc that I think inspired this series

        Yeah, given that Feige has admitted that WandaVision is intended to directly set up Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the Mephisto arc involving Scarlett Witch that you're referencing is most likely the main inspiration for WandaVision. However, I'm still holding out hope that some key elements of the House of M (spoilers) crossover event, which also clearly played a part in the inspiration for WandaVision, are going to be revealed during the course of the show as well. And the reason for that is similar to what you touched on at the end of your comment. Also, related to that:

        Potentially major Scarlett Witch related spoilers (comic lore discussion)

        In the comics, Scarlett Witch was originally more of an X-Men universe character rather than an Avengers only character like she currently is in the MCU. And that is due to the fact that the Maximoffs, Wanda (Scarlett Witch) and Pietro (Quicksilver), were mutants (not HYDRA supersoldier experiments like in the MCU), originally Magneto's children (until a recent retcon), and both members of Magneto's Brotherhood of Mutants before they eventually joined the Avengers.

        Who knows if Wanda's Magneto/X-Men connection will actually ever be explored in the MCU, but even if not, I'm still holding out hope that WandaVision and Doctor Strange 2 are going to feature elements that will finally allow Marvel to bring the X-Men officially into the MCU. In some recent interviews Feige admitted that talks about exactly that happening have been "long and ongoing" though... so 🤞.

        4 votes
  3. [5]
    Good_Apollo
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    Am I alone in hating this new trend of slow releases? I don’t watch a show in one day or anything but we like to watch like 3-4 episodes depending on time on the weekends. Waiting weeks to finish...

    Am I alone in hating this new trend of slow releases? I don’t watch a show in one day or anything but we like to watch like 3-4 episodes depending on time on the weekends. Waiting weeks to finish a show these days...we just lose interest.

    /off topic sorta

    5 votes
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      Grzmot
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      I get what you mean, I love binge-watching shoes too, but on the other hand, with slow-releases you can have per episode discussion threads and discuss them way better. It depends on what you want...

      I get what you mean, I love binge-watching shoes too, but on the other hand, with slow-releases you can have per episode discussion threads and discuss them way better. It depends on what you want to do I guess.

      5 votes
      1. mrbig
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        When I binge watch I frequently cannot remember much about the show. I also sometimes become apathetic/distracted. And it’s really nice to be able to talk about it with my friends without risking...

        When I binge watch I frequently cannot remember much about the show. I also sometimes become apathetic/distracted. And it’s really nice to be able to talk about it with my friends without risking spoilers.

        4 votes
    2. Sand
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      I agree. Imagine if you read a book like this, one chapter a week.

      I agree. Imagine if you read a book like this, one chapter a week.

      4 votes
    3. bilbodwyer
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      100% disagree. Mandalorian coming out weekly felt like an event. My housemates and I would all get together and watch it, and then discuss it afterwards for anything up to a couple of days....

      100% disagree. Mandalorian coming out weekly felt like an event. My housemates and I would all get together and watch it, and then discuss it afterwards for anything up to a couple of days. Bingeing just doesn't generate that kind of water-cooler conversation IMO. It was something to look forward to every week (much needed at the end of 2020!), and something that provided lots of entertaining conversation afterwards. If we had watched it all in one go, or batches of 3-4 episodes at a time, I truly think it would become more forgettable. Having a week to digest and think about the episode you watched makes for a better viewing experience.

      3 votes
  4. [3]
    randulo
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    Isn't the setup for episode one very much like "Bewitched"? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057733/

    Isn't the setup for episode one very much like "Bewitched"?
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057733/

    2 votes
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      dubteedub
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      Yeah, absolutely. I got constant Bewitched / I Dream of Jeanie / I Love Lucy vibes from the first episode. With the transition to color at the end of episode two, it seems like they may be doing a...

      Yeah, absolutely. I got constant Bewitched / I Dream of Jeanie / I Love Lucy vibes from the first episode. With the transition to color at the end of episode two, it seems like they may be doing a send up of different family sitcoms over the decades. The color pallette at the end of episode 2 felt really reminiscent of the Brady Bunch, so now moving on to the 70s.

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      1. randulo
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        Dick Van Dyke next? Mary Tyler Moore?

        Dick Van Dyke next? Mary Tyler Moore?

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    nothis
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    Spoilers, I guess! I was all in for the first episode. It was kinda bold to do a whole episode in 50s sitcom style, with only a hint of something more in the end. But then I watched the second...

    Spoilers, I guess!

    I was all in for the first episode. It was kinda bold to do a whole episode in 50s sitcom style, with only a hint of something more in the end. But then I watched the second episode and it was the exact same thing (only set in the 60s)? This is 2 episodes in, in a 9-episode miniseries. I'm worried about the pacing, now. I don't know how hilarious I'd find just watching nostalgic decade reenactments for 9 episodes.

    Ironically, I'm having the most fun with the genuine, 50s/60s style comedy moments. It's like your grandma showing you something they watched in the 50s and you're like, "heh, that actually is kinda funny". But is that it?

    I hope they have some trick up their sleeves and do more weirdness in later episodes. I mean that 5 minute credits roll with about a dozen visual effects studios involved has to be for something, right?

    2 votes
    1. Good_Apollo
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      It is weird, the credits seem absurdly long for what looks like, at first blush, a fairly simple sitcom with some intentionally goofy effects.

      It is weird, the credits seem absurdly long for what looks like, at first blush, a fairly simple sitcom with some intentionally goofy effects.

      1 vote
  6. boredop
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    Wife and I watched the first two episodes last night. We were both very bored. If they don't pick up the pace soon we will probably move on to something else. (And we really liked most of the...

    Wife and I watched the first two episodes last night. We were both very bored. If they don't pick up the pace soon we will probably move on to something else. (And we really liked most of the other Marvel stuff.)

    1 vote