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Gina Carano fired from ‘Mandalorian’ after social media post

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    AnthonyB
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    I heard Hasan Piker talk about this earlier today and I thought he made a pretty good point that this persecution complex has become a core part of right-wing/Republican politics in the Trump era....

    I heard Hasan Piker talk about this earlier today and I thought he made a pretty good point that this persecution complex has become a core part of right-wing/Republican politics in the Trump era. Carano isn't the first conservative to liken herself to a Jewish holocaust victim, and she certainly wont be the last. Just this morning I saw a friend of mine share a similar meme that used the image of a Jewish person being murdered at a concentration camp in front of three nazi guards to make its point. The brand logos for Facebook, Twitter, and Google were in front of the guards while the words "Free Speech" were in front of the victim. It's ridiculous how common it is to see that level of self-perceived victimhood, especially since logical comparisons to holocaust (e.g. concentration camps at the border) are typically met with sanctimonious hostility from the same group.

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    1. moocow1452
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      I think it has something to do with the fact that our lizard brain has an understanding of our identity that's tied into our place in society, and it can't internalize a difference between "my...

      It's ridiculous how common it is to see that level of self-perceived victimhood, especially since logical comparisons to holocaust (e.g. concentration camps at the border) are typically met with sanctimonious hostility from the same group.

      I think it has something to do with the fact that our lizard brain has an understanding of our identity that's tied into our place in society, and it can't internalize a difference between "my body is being physically threatened," and "my identity is being socially threatened." To the right person, internalizing that "gender is a perceived construct," or "we never really solved societal racism" is up there with seeing a Cthulhu on things that will break their brain and warp your understanding of themselves and their place in the universe, and that good old self preservation instinct kicks in and tells you it's everybody else who is wrong.

      10 votes
  2. Good_Apollo
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    You know it sucks how everything is a political war now. Her firing is pretty damn sensible, she was embarrassing her employer, repeatedly. She could have been tweeting about how she hates kids...

    You know it sucks how everything is a political war now. Her firing is pretty damn sensible, she was embarrassing her employer, repeatedly. She could have been tweeting about how she hates kids everyday and even if I agree with her (I don’t like or want kids) I’d expect her to get fired from her family-centric employer. Like...what is wrong with you that you feel the need to shout these things in a public space over and over for months and then you’re surprised when it affected your job.

    I’m allowed to have opinions but there are absolutely lines my boss would fire me for crossing by going public with certain statements and that doesn’t make this Nazi Germany.

    Forgoing all that CA is an “At-Will” work state anyway (ironically something pushed by Republican conservatives). Seems like she threw away a Hollywood career for nothing but I guess we’ll see how her podcast appearance on BabylonBee goes for her, maybe she’ll start a whole new career off this. The beauty of not being in Nazi Germany...

    12 votes
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    knocklessmonster
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    It actually took me a couple days to organize my thoughts on this. Not at all because I feel her firing was unjustified, but I was trying to find the right way to say something about it without...

    It actually took me a couple days to organize my thoughts on this. Not at all because I feel her firing was unjustified, but I was trying to find the right way to say something about it without stumbling into some sort of trap. She'd been pushing some questionable stuff even before this, but went and committed to this line of logic later.

    In my stumbling, I found Tim Allen actually got fired for a similar tweet comparing being a Republican in Hollywood to 1930s Germany a few years ago, which led to his show being picked up by Fox after ABC cancelled it. So, this isn't even a new thing, relatively speaking, she just doesn't have anywhere safe to land. It also seems to be consistent for Disney to not let their stars have this sort of talk, which frankly makes sense given their position in American and international markets. Really, it's easy enough to not say wacky stuff like this, but there seems to be a celebrity inability to turn the victim complex down enough to keep consistent employment.

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    1. Good_Apollo
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      What I just don't understand is how they don't see the bad optics of it. Politics completely aside, nothing they're experiencing is even remotely like what the Jews suffered in Nazi Germany....

      What I just don't understand is how they don't see the bad optics of it. Politics completely aside, nothing they're experiencing is even remotely like what the Jews suffered in Nazi Germany. Getting kicked off Twitter or fired from your job? She's already starting a new career path and moving on. In Nazi Germany there was no moving on, sorry to be morbid, you were killed or at best locked away, beaten, tortured, and/or starved.

      The privilege is astounding. I've been fired for less tbh, it happens to everyone and you move on.

      11 votes
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    bkimmel
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    I wonder if we'll start to see "cancel clauses" show up in contracts for actors/athletes/etc.

    I wonder if we'll start to see "cancel clauses" show up in contracts for actors/athletes/etc.

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      Thrabalen
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      I can't imagine that'd go well. First, no studio would sign off on "we can't fire you if you embarrass us," and second... if I saw that in a contract, I'd start digging immediately into their...

      I can't imagine that'd go well. First, no studio would sign off on "we can't fire you if you embarrass us," and second... if I saw that in a contract, I'd start digging immediately into their social media to see what actionable things they're protecting themselves from.

      8 votes
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          cfabbro
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          Those types of clauses already exist and have for a long time. See: Morals clause, which were once commonly used by movie studios back when stars would often work exclusively with one studio or...

          Those types of clauses already exist and have for a long time. See: Morals clause, which were once commonly used by movie studios back when stars would often work exclusively with one studio or another for the majority of their careers, and are still included in most professional athlete contracts to this day for similar reasons; Not many companies want to have long-term employees associated with them and their brand that are publicly exhibiting controversial behaviours and/or opinions... or they at least want the option to fire them if they generate too much public backlash.

          cc: @bkimmel, if that's the sort of thing you meant by "cancel clauses".

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          1. bkimmel
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            Thanks, yeah I was kind of thinking about it as a contract issue from both sides. Hadn't heard of the Morals Clause before, that's really interesting.

            Thanks, yeah I was kind of thinking about it as a contract issue from both sides. Hadn't heard of the Morals Clause before, that's really interesting.

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        2. PapaNachos
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          When you're negotiating a contract you can make requests and demands. If the other party is okay with them, they can change the contract before you sign it. If not, then either you continue to...

          When you're negotiating a contract you can make requests and demands. If the other party is okay with them, they can change the contract before you sign it. If not, then either you continue to negotiate or someone isn't willing to sign and you don't have a contract.

          Edit: Which is to say the power dynamic, priorities and who is more willing to walk away is more important than who puts pen to paper.

          3 votes
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    Pilotwave
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    I like the Mandalorian. But her character always felt a bit "simple/flat/one-dimensional/without-spice" for lack of better wording; there are some other Mandalorian characters with the same...

    I like the Mandalorian. But her character always felt a bit "simple/flat/one-dimensional/without-spice" for lack of better wording; there are some other Mandalorian characters with the same problem; so good move.

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      vegai
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      You think this is a good move because it doesn't affect your watching privilege? I mean I haven't paid much attention to Mandalorian or whatever people get cancelled for these days, but that seems...

      You think this is a good move because it doesn't affect your watching privilege? I mean I haven't paid much attention to Mandalorian or whatever people get cancelled for these days, but that seems a bit cold.

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      1. Good_Apollo
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        It's cold to be okay with an actor being removed from a show they had little impact on because they wouldn't stop tweeting garbage? Look, Gina Carano is going to turn this into a whole political...

        It's cold to be okay with an actor being removed from a show they had little impact on because they wouldn't stop tweeting garbage?

        Look, Gina Carano is going to turn this into a whole political career and she's an heiress to a casino empire so I think she'll be okay.

        5 votes