If we here in Toronto put our garbage out just in bags the raccoons would have a field day. I bet every bag that had any kind of food waste in it whatsoever would be torn open and strewn all over...
If we here in Toronto put our garbage out just in bags the raccoons would have a field day. I bet every bag that had any kind of food waste in it whatsoever would be torn open and strewn all over the streets lol
Rats tend to make a small holes in trash bags and then trifle through the contents while inside the bag. It’s not uncommon to see a bag wriggling with a rat inside late at night. The trash doesn’t...
Rats tend to make a small holes in trash bags and then trifle through the contents while inside the bag. It’s not uncommon to see a bag wriggling with a rat inside late at night. The trash doesn’t get strewn about, thank god.
What’s also been a problem is the outdoor seating introduced during the pandemic. While I generally like the additions, they tend to leave a gap between the curb and the gutter which has been a major boon to rat dens everywhere. Many a rat can live peacefully underneath a coffee shop’s outdoor seating and have food delivered to their home via on-street trash bags two/three times a week (a luxury for most New Yorkers!). Those outdoor setups are required to be taken down this winter so it will hopefully curb the problem of derelict structures (pun intended).
Source: NYC resident who has been observing the rat population for years now. My favorite quote on the matter is: “Witnessing a rat in the subway is similar to seeing a shooting star: you stare at the same place for long enough and eventually one shows up!”
I had no idea they weren’t using containers. I’ve only been there a couple of times, both of them happened to be during a garbage strike. OF COURSE they have a rat problem! This is a public health...
I had no idea they weren’t using containers. I’ve only been there a couple of times, both of them happened to be during a garbage strike. OF COURSE they have a rat problem! This is a public health concern.
Certain residential neighborhoods may have a container-esque solution where tenants put trash bags into metal containers outside the apartment building. Those eventually get transferred into...
Certain residential neighborhoods may have a container-esque solution where tenants put trash bags into metal containers outside the apartment building. Those eventually get transferred into larger trash bags come trash day (twice a week for my neighborhood, recycling has its own schedule), so there’s usually trash bags lining the streets pretty regularly.
This can't happen soon enough. I'm so tired off walking past mountains of trash bags on the sidewalks and seeing rats scurrying across my path at all hours of the day and night. It's one of the...
This can't happen soon enough. I'm so tired off walking past mountains of trash bags on the sidewalks and seeing rats scurrying across my path at all hours of the day and night. It's one of the most disgusting parts of our city. Unfortunately I haven't seen too many of the containers yet, but I'll be looking forward to them now.
Too bad about losing the parking spaces, I guess, but we will be regaining quite a bit of pedestrian space on the sidewalks once the trash mountains are gone, so from my non-driver perspective it's a win-win.
As some one who lives in the suburbs... NYC does not seem like a place you'd want to drive around anyways. Plus it has plenty of good mass transit that would be easier then dealing with all the...
As some one who lives in the suburbs... NYC does not seem like a place you'd want to drive around anyways. Plus it has plenty of good mass transit that would be easier then dealing with all the traffic. I love my car but if I lived in NYC I wouldn't be using a car to get around hte city anyways (if I had one it would be just for going out of the city).
But, not an issue for me cause I'm never going back to live in the east coast willingly (grew up in Atlanta, did live in NYC for a few years when I was really young and would visit my mom there who still lived there when I went to live with my dad and stepmom in Atlanta).
A bit of a silly question, but why was this never done in the past? Are there any advantages to leaving your rubbish out in the curb, other than space concerns? Or is it some some sort of...
A bit of a silly question, but why was this never done in the past? Are there any advantages to leaving your rubbish out in the curb, other than space concerns? Or is it some some sort of "inertial" thing where they kept doing it for "historical reasons" and because that's how it has always been done?
The article mentions a sanitation strike, but the effects of that strike shouldn't have lingered for as long as they did, not that only using bare bags help much when a strike happens
Convincing people that it's worthwhile to replace curbside parking with garbage bins is really really hard. Drivers are a special level of entitled, and this is doubly true for anyone that owns a...
Convincing people that it's worthwhile to replace curbside parking with garbage bins is really really hard. Drivers are a special level of entitled, and this is doubly true for anyone that owns a car and can pay the fees in Manhattan.
Live in NYC- leaving trash bags on the curb has been a completely obvious failure since day one. Kind of amazing it's taken this long to start addressing it
Live in NYC- leaving trash bags on the curb has been a completely obvious failure since day one. Kind of amazing it's taken this long to start addressing it
<All in jest> I knew there was something wrong with you NYC folks. Yall hatin on 'Dirty Jers' while wallowing in your own filth. Pennsylvania still sucks though. I'd like to propose that Delaware...
<All in jest>
I knew there was something wrong with you NYC folks. Yall hatin on 'Dirty Jers' while wallowing in your own filth.
Pennsylvania still sucks though. I'd like to propose that Delaware County, Montgomery County, Philadelphia, and South Jersey all break off and form Eagles Nation. Yall can have the leftovers of Jersey and as much PA as you're willing to touch.
Each day, the majority of New Yorkers' 44 million pounds of trash ends up on city sidewalks for pickup. The city had used metal, Oscar-the-Grouch style trash cans decades ago, but after a citywide sanitation strike in 1968, they were replaced by bags alone.
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In August, the department began requiring food-related businesses to place all waste in lidded, hard-sided containers, and regulations expanded to include large chain companies in September. The rules will extend to all businesses next March. By the fall of 2024, smaller residential buildings will join the list, and by mid 2026 their waste will have to go in "specific, official NYC bins." Eventually, Tisch said the mayor wants all of the city's waste in containers.
Yes, we read the article and it's pretty obvious the person who you responded to read that part. What me and that person want to know is why after the strike was over did they not go back? What...
Yes, we read the article and it's pretty obvious the person who you responded to read that part. What me and that person want to know is why after the strike was over did they not go back? What advantage to using bags was there that they just kept using that solution.
OP's comment was the first comment on this post, so they weren't responding to anyone, they were just quoting key parts of the article, as if often done on tildes. As for your question, I don't...
OP's comment was the first comment on this post, so they weren't responding to anyone, they were just quoting key parts of the article, as if often done on tildes.
As for your question, I don't know why they stopped using bins, although here is sombody asking on Reddit why trash bins are not used in NYC and some responses.
I was curious as well, so I had a look around and found this article. Based on this, it sounds like before the strike, everyone just placed their garbage (unbagged) directly in their metal garbage...
I was curious as well, so I had a look around and found this article.
Based on this, it sounds like before the strike, everyone just placed their garbage (unbagged) directly in their metal garbage cans. When the strike happened, the garbage cans became so overfull that there was garbage spilling out onto the street, so garbage bags were adopted to contain all this loose garbage. When the strike ended, sanitation workers had to pick up both the garbage cans and the garbage bags, and they preferred the garbage bags because they were lighter and easier to deal with. So New York adopted a garbage-bag-only policy.
In other places where there were no strikes (and thus no garbage spilling out onto the streets), they continued to just use garbage cans instead of garbage bags. I'm not sure when they started putting garbage bags inside the garbage bins, but I suspect that this would have come about when they adopted garbage trucks that could pick the garbage bins up directly; the garbage bags probably helped prevent trash from flying around during this process. But this is just speculation on my part.
Bags in larger bins for me has always been that I keep a trashcan with a bag/liner in the house, and had to take that trash to the garage or outdoor bin that would go to the curb. Been that way my...
Bags in larger bins for me has always been that I keep a trashcan with a bag/liner in the house, and had to take that trash to the garage or outdoor bin that would go to the curb. Been that way my whole life, but I'm not sure when the automated trucks became common and to what extent. The employees used to get out of the trucks/ride on back when I was a kid, now that's way less common.
I don't want to wash out my inside trashcans all the time so I'm not sure why people wouldn't have had some kind of bags. But I don't live in NYC
I think that is going back decades when they were doing that without bags, like the article said 1968 is when they switched. Seems plastic garbage bags weren't a thing until the 1950s and I don't...
I don't want to wash out my inside trashcans all the time so I'm not sure why people wouldn't have had some kind of bags. But I don't live in NYC
I think that is going back decades when they were doing that without bags, like the article said 1968 is when they switched.
Seems plastic garbage bags weren't a thing until the 1950s and I don't know what their cost was relative to the times.
I had no idea that they didn't use cans. I feel like cans would be better in every way, including long-term cost if they can reduce the manual labor associated with lifting heavy bags. I feel like...
I had no idea that they didn't use cans. I feel like cans would be better in every way, including long-term cost if they can reduce the manual labor associated with lifting heavy bags. I feel like most cities trash service (including mine) has gone to cans that can be lifted with a robotic arm without the driver even leaving the truck. They can even collect trash and recycling in the same truck by having separate partitions.
If we here in Toronto put our garbage out just in bags the raccoons would have a field day. I bet every bag that had any kind of food waste in it whatsoever would be torn open and strewn all over the streets lol
Rats tend to make a small holes in trash bags and then trifle through the contents while inside the bag. It’s not uncommon to see a bag wriggling with a rat inside late at night. The trash doesn’t get strewn about, thank god.
What’s also been a problem is the outdoor seating introduced during the pandemic. While I generally like the additions, they tend to leave a gap between the curb and the gutter which has been a major boon to rat dens everywhere. Many a rat can live peacefully underneath a coffee shop’s outdoor seating and have food delivered to their home via on-street trash bags two/three times a week (a luxury for most New Yorkers!). Those outdoor setups are required to be taken down this winter so it will hopefully curb the problem of derelict structures (pun intended).
Source: NYC resident who has been observing the rat population for years now. My favorite quote on the matter is: “Witnessing a rat in the subway is similar to seeing a shooting star: you stare at the same place for long enough and eventually one shows up!”
I had no idea they weren’t using containers. I’ve only been there a couple of times, both of them happened to be during a garbage strike. OF COURSE they have a rat problem! This is a public health concern.
Certain residential neighborhoods may have a container-esque solution where tenants put trash bags into metal containers outside the apartment building. Those eventually get transferred into larger trash bags come trash day (twice a week for my neighborhood, recycling has its own schedule), so there’s usually trash bags lining the streets pretty regularly.
This can't happen soon enough. I'm so tired off walking past mountains of trash bags on the sidewalks and seeing rats scurrying across my path at all hours of the day and night. It's one of the most disgusting parts of our city. Unfortunately I haven't seen too many of the containers yet, but I'll be looking forward to them now.
Too bad about losing the parking spaces, I guess, but we will be regaining quite a bit of pedestrian space on the sidewalks once the trash mountains are gone, so from my non-driver perspective it's a win-win.
As some one who lives in the suburbs... NYC does not seem like a place you'd want to drive around anyways. Plus it has plenty of good mass transit that would be easier then dealing with all the traffic. I love my car but if I lived in NYC I wouldn't be using a car to get around hte city anyways (if I had one it would be just for going out of the city).
But, not an issue for me cause I'm never going back to live in the east coast willingly (grew up in Atlanta, did live in NYC for a few years when I was really young and would visit my mom there who still lived there when I went to live with my dad and stepmom in Atlanta).
A bit of a silly question, but why was this never done in the past? Are there any advantages to leaving your rubbish out in the curb, other than space concerns? Or is it some some sort of "inertial" thing where they kept doing it for "historical reasons" and because that's how it has always been done?
The article mentions a sanitation strike, but the effects of that strike shouldn't have lingered for as long as they did, not that only using bare bags help much when a strike happens
Convincing people that it's worthwhile to replace curbside parking with garbage bins is really really hard. Drivers are a special level of entitled, and this is doubly true for anyone that owns a car and can pay the fees in Manhattan.
Live in NYC- leaving trash bags on the curb has been a completely obvious failure since day one. Kind of amazing it's taken this long to start addressing it
I knew there was something wrong with you NYC folks. Yall hatin on 'Dirty Jers' while wallowing in your own filth.
Pennsylvania still sucks though. I'd like to propose that Delaware County, Montgomery County, Philadelphia, and South Jersey all break off and form Eagles Nation. Yall can have the leftovers of Jersey and as much PA as you're willing to touch.
From the article:
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Yes, we read the article and it's pretty obvious the person who you responded to read that part. What me and that person want to know is why after the strike was over did they not go back? What advantage to using bags was there that they just kept using that solution.
OP's comment was the first comment on this post, so they weren't responding to anyone, they were just quoting key parts of the article, as if often done on tildes.
As for your question, I don't know why they stopped using bins, although here is sombody asking on Reddit why trash bins are not used in NYC and some responses.
I was curious as well, so I had a look around and found this article.
Based on this, it sounds like before the strike, everyone just placed their garbage (unbagged) directly in their metal garbage cans. When the strike happened, the garbage cans became so overfull that there was garbage spilling out onto the street, so garbage bags were adopted to contain all this loose garbage. When the strike ended, sanitation workers had to pick up both the garbage cans and the garbage bags, and they preferred the garbage bags because they were lighter and easier to deal with. So New York adopted a garbage-bag-only policy.
In other places where there were no strikes (and thus no garbage spilling out onto the streets), they continued to just use garbage cans instead of garbage bags. I'm not sure when they started putting garbage bags inside the garbage bins, but I suspect that this would have come about when they adopted garbage trucks that could pick the garbage bins up directly; the garbage bags probably helped prevent trash from flying around during this process. But this is just speculation on my part.
Bags in larger bins for me has always been that I keep a trashcan with a bag/liner in the house, and had to take that trash to the garage or outdoor bin that would go to the curb. Been that way my whole life, but I'm not sure when the automated trucks became common and to what extent. The employees used to get out of the trucks/ride on back when I was a kid, now that's way less common.
I don't want to wash out my inside trashcans all the time so I'm not sure why people wouldn't have had some kind of bags. But I don't live in NYC
I think that is going back decades when they were doing that without bags, like the article said 1968 is when they switched.
Seems plastic garbage bags weren't a thing until the 1950s and I don't know what their cost was relative to the times.
Guess that makes sense. Never thought about trash logistics before bags!
I had no idea that they didn't use cans. I feel like cans would be better in every way, including long-term cost if they can reduce the manual labor associated with lifting heavy bags. I feel like most cities trash service (including mine) has gone to cans that can be lifted with a robotic arm without the driver even leaving the truck. They can even collect trash and recycling in the same truck by having separate partitions.