Ironically Satisfactory is one of my least favorite factory games. The 1st person perspective makes planning elegant factories much more difficult vs games like Dyson Sphere Program and Factorio....
Ironically Satisfactory is one of my least favorite factory games. The 1st person perspective makes planning elegant factories much more difficult vs games like Dyson Sphere Program and Factorio. There are ways around this but they're all clunky and really hurt the pacing of game. I would probably give Satisfactory the title of one of the most accessible factory building games, but I bounced off it hard when I had much more enjoyment playing even basic factory games like Shapez and Shapez 2.
I feel that pain. This only really gets better once you unlock that hover... pack... thingy. Then you can easily fly to the vantage point you need to make the factory look the way you want to....
The 1st person perspective makes planning elegant factories much more difficult vs games like Dyson Sphere Program and Factorio.
I feel that pain. This only really gets better once you unlock that hover... pack... thingy. Then you can easily fly to the vantage point you need to make the factory look the way you want to. Standing on the ground floor, it can be very difficult to place a 20m x 10m building the way you want to, because either you're too far away to see the necessary detail, or you're so close the building fills up your screen.
That said... consider revisiting. They've added a lot of QoL features around building mechanics, it feels a lot smoother now.
Yes, plus you can toggle on flying without other creative mode options. It might break the natural progression a little bit, but you'll certainly be able to get whatever perspective you want....
Yes, plus you can toggle on flying without other creative mode options. It might break the natural progression a little bit, but you'll certainly be able to get whatever perspective you want.
Personally I absolutely love the first person view, especially while walking through a massive, humming hallway of devices, there's something special about that.
Thankfully they at least added a lock feature that lets you move around the object you're placing before it's built and 'nudge' it in different directions. Still, it can be tedious to make all the...
Thankfully they at least added a lock feature that lets you move around the object you're placing before it's built and 'nudge' it in different directions. Still, it can be tedious to make all the connections you need and massively scaling up production runs into some pretty hard limits.
Same here. Though I did have fun I had no interest to go back at 1.0. Another deal breaker for me was the lack of randomness. I never liked how the map was always exactly the same with the same...
Same here. Though I did have fun I had no interest to go back at 1.0.
Another deal breaker for me was the lack of randomness. I never liked how the map was always exactly the same with the same resources and the same places to explore.
That seems to be a big selling point to a lot of people here, guess it goes to show how you can't please everyone. For me I don't really care what the map looks like, I'm just there to make cool...
That seems to be a big selling point to a lot of people here, guess it goes to show how you can't please everyone. For me I don't really care what the map looks like, I'm just there to make cool factories.
Satisfactory holds a special place for me in the world of automation games specifically because you are immersed in the environments, and as a result the world feels huge and real in a way that...
Satisfactory holds a special place for me in the world of automation games specifically because you are immersed in the environments, and as a result the world feels huge and real in a way that other factory games can't capture. The verticality of it is something different as well, since in games that have it (Dyson Sphere Program, for one) it is a limited thing of level selection on a tileset, whereas in SF it can be several hundred meters of harrowing twists through a monster-infested cave to route belts between a grotto and a plateau.
The reduction to human scale makes everything sit differently. The larger machines that you use in your factory are bulky, colossal things that have integral ladders and walkways you can traverse. None of it feels like just another tile in the set, because of that.
It has a decent amount of replay value simply because the map is so huge; on any given playthrough there will be large swathes of the map that you simply never visit (aside from perhaps a single blitz to grab hard drives and slugs) because it would take you an hour to trek through monster-infested jungle to get there, or because there are huge cliffs in the way. Starting in another location is very much like starting in an entirely new map, as a result. I'm eager to see the change that the addition of portals makes to that aspect of gameplay in the 1.0 release.
Portals are super late game. I'm at Phase 3 (tier 7-8) and there's no portals in sight. They've gated the converter and the portal to tier 9 and it's all the better for it. It's more a reward than...
Portals are super late game. I'm at Phase 3 (tier 7-8) and there's no portals in sight. They've gated the converter and the portal to tier 9 and it's all the better for it. It's more a reward than a method of progression.
Unlike the dimensional depots, which are a game changer and definitely a good addition that feels true to the universe and doesn't just feel like you're magically pulling items from your ass (which, let's be real, you're still doing that but at least it feels it has an in universe explanation).
They've cooked with 1.0 and I've been having a great time. The added optimization is clearly working well too and the game is much smoother even later in the game.
There's some odd bugs and glitches here and there but none game breaking and they'll likely get solved over time.
I love Factorio for it's kinda simplicity (which is rather bold thing to say!) but I also love Satisfactory for the 1st person view and being able to perceive the world differently. Each has it's...
I love Factorio for it's kinda simplicity (which is rather bold thing to say!) but I also love Satisfactory for the 1st person view and being able to perceive the world differently. Each has it's own and I didn't play any of them long enough. Veterans would probably still call me newbie. I play them as kinda sandbox to just chill, not with any goal in mind.
I still have to play Satisfactory after the 1.0 came out, played just the early access a few times.
My only question: Do biomes matter? I've always felt that the problem with most factory games is that it's basically just "find resource, hook up resource, repeat", with some finicky work hooking...
My only question:
Do biomes matter?
I've always felt that the problem with most factory games is that it's basically just "find resource, hook up resource, repeat", with some finicky work hooking it all up.
Satisfactory looked like it might actually have different environments, and thus more logic to where you're gathering, and building, your resources than "wherever proc gen decided to place it".
If I remember correctly, satisfactory does not use procedural generation. I haven’t played in a long time, so this may have changed. It has one set world which is gigantic. The starting options...
If I remember correctly, satisfactory does not use procedural generation. I haven’t played in a long time, so this may have changed. It has one set world which is gigantic. The starting options are just different locations on the map. This gives the benefit of a custom handcrafted world.
Resources aren't evenly distributed. So the biomes themselves don't change the gameplay, but you will need to explore and expand your factories across the map. There's no proc gen at all.
Resources aren't evenly distributed. So the biomes themselves don't change the gameplay, but you will need to explore and expand your factories across the map. There's no proc gen at all.
But that's basically the standard factorio model then right? Biomes are just set dressing? No major gameplay implications like resource availability/ecology/weather?
But that's basically the standard factorio model then right? Biomes are just set dressing? No major gameplay implications like resource availability/ecology/weather?
I think Satisfactory is trying to appeal more to people who care less about making the perfect factory and more about being immersed in the game itself, at least from my experience with it. People...
I think Satisfactory is trying to appeal more to people who care less about making the perfect factory and more about being immersed in the game itself, at least from my experience with it. People like us who only care about the logistics of setting up an elegant system are better served by games like DSP, Factorio, Shapez, etc.
I think you're discounting the experience of being in first person mode in a 3d world. Is a biome of steep cliffs the same to build in as a grassy plains? Is an archipelago the same as rolling...
I think you're discounting the experience of being in first person mode in a 3d world. Is a biome of steep cliffs the same to build in as a grassy plains? Is an archipelago the same as rolling hills consumed by jungle?
There are no explicit mechanical effects, but the terrain matters a good deal even if you don't care about the view.
I put 120 hours into EA, and now I'm about 20 hours into 1.0. I bounced off both Factorio and DSP. Factorio to me if very drab and gloomy. I don't find the color pallete visually appealing, and...
I put 120 hours into EA, and now I'm about 20 hours into 1.0.
I bounced off both Factorio and DSP.
Factorio to me if very drab and gloomy. I don't find the color pallete visually appealing, and the game is very much centered on logistics. Very little design.
DSP almost gives me a headache. Everything seems too small. I feel like how (I think) some people do when the FOV is super low in an FPS. I don't know how else to explain it.
Satisfactory to me has neither of those issues. It's a colorful, big building factory game with a fun world to explore. Some people knock the emphasis the game allows you to have on aesthetics, but it's probably my favorite part of it. The first person element means I get to literally walk through my factories too, which is awesome.
DSP is a special game that takes a special type of person I think. The POV didn't bother me at all but I can see why it would bother some others (though maybe something has changed since you last...
DSP is a special game that takes a special type of person I think. The POV didn't bother me at all but I can see why it would bother some others (though maybe something has changed since you last played, since it was fairly similar to factorio.) The level of complexity and scale of DSP is unmatched in any game I've ever played, and the draw of starting from scratch to building galaxy scale dyson sphere networks in real time is unparalleled.
Have you tried Mindustry? It’s a much simpler, stripped back game comparatively, but I felt similarly about Factorio’s color palette and I felt Mindustry’s is much more vibrant
Have you tried Mindustry? It’s a much simpler, stripped back game comparatively, but I felt similarly about Factorio’s color palette and I felt Mindustry’s is much more vibrant
While true, I probably should have also included that I dislike the tower defense component. Satisfactory's combat is something you have to actively seek out when you're ready. Plus your stuff...
While true, I probably should have also included that I dislike the tower defense component. Satisfactory's combat is something you have to actively seek out when you're ready. Plus your stuff can't be destroyed. Much more chill game.
Ironically Satisfactory is one of my least favorite factory games. The 1st person perspective makes planning elegant factories much more difficult vs games like Dyson Sphere Program and Factorio. There are ways around this but they're all clunky and really hurt the pacing of game. I would probably give Satisfactory the title of one of the most accessible factory building games, but I bounced off it hard when I had much more enjoyment playing even basic factory games like Shapez and Shapez 2.
I feel that pain. This only really gets better once you unlock that hover... pack... thingy. Then you can easily fly to the vantage point you need to make the factory look the way you want to. Standing on the ground floor, it can be very difficult to place a 20m x 10m building the way you want to, because either you're too far away to see the necessary detail, or you're so close the building fills up your screen.
That said... consider revisiting. They've added a lot of QoL features around building mechanics, it feels a lot smoother now.
Yes, plus you can toggle on flying without other creative mode options. It might break the natural progression a little bit, but you'll certainly be able to get whatever perspective you want.
Personally I absolutely love the first person view, especially while walking through a massive, humming hallway of devices, there's something special about that.
Thankfully they at least added a lock feature that lets you move around the object you're placing before it's built and 'nudge' it in different directions. Still, it can be tedious to make all the connections you need and massively scaling up production runs into some pretty hard limits.
The expanded blueprints help a lot with scaling up.
Same here. Though I did have fun I had no interest to go back at 1.0.
Another deal breaker for me was the lack of randomness. I never liked how the map was always exactly the same with the same resources and the same places to explore.
That seems to be a big selling point to a lot of people here, guess it goes to show how you can't please everyone. For me I don't really care what the map looks like, I'm just there to make cool factories.
Satisfactory holds a special place for me in the world of automation games specifically because you are immersed in the environments, and as a result the world feels huge and real in a way that other factory games can't capture. The verticality of it is something different as well, since in games that have it (Dyson Sphere Program, for one) it is a limited thing of level selection on a tileset, whereas in SF it can be several hundred meters of harrowing twists through a monster-infested cave to route belts between a grotto and a plateau.
The reduction to human scale makes everything sit differently. The larger machines that you use in your factory are bulky, colossal things that have integral ladders and walkways you can traverse. None of it feels like just another tile in the set, because of that.
It has a decent amount of replay value simply because the map is so huge; on any given playthrough there will be large swathes of the map that you simply never visit (aside from perhaps a single blitz to grab hard drives and slugs) because it would take you an hour to trek through monster-infested jungle to get there, or because there are huge cliffs in the way. Starting in another location is very much like starting in an entirely new map, as a result. I'm eager to see the change that the addition of portals makes to that aspect of gameplay in the 1.0 release.
Portals are super late game. I'm at Phase 3 (tier 7-8) and there's no portals in sight. They've gated the converter and the portal to tier 9 and it's all the better for it. It's more a reward than a method of progression.
Unlike the dimensional depots, which are a game changer and definitely a good addition that feels true to the universe and doesn't just feel like you're magically pulling items from your ass (which, let's be real, you're still doing that but at least it feels it has an in universe explanation).
They've cooked with 1.0 and I've been having a great time. The added optimization is clearly working well too and the game is much smoother even later in the game.
There's some odd bugs and glitches here and there but none game breaking and they'll likely get solved over time.
Their 140k-180k player count is well deserved.
I love Factorio for it's kinda simplicity (which is rather bold thing to say!) but I also love Satisfactory for the 1st person view and being able to perceive the world differently. Each has it's own and I didn't play any of them long enough. Veterans would probably still call me newbie. I play them as kinda sandbox to just chill, not with any goal in mind.
I still have to play Satisfactory after the 1.0 came out, played just the early access a few times.
My only question:
Do biomes matter?
I've always felt that the problem with most factory games is that it's basically just "find resource, hook up resource, repeat", with some finicky work hooking it all up.
Satisfactory looked like it might actually have different environments, and thus more logic to where you're gathering, and building, your resources than "wherever proc gen decided to place it".
If I remember correctly, satisfactory does not use procedural generation. I haven’t played in a long time, so this may have changed. It has one set world which is gigantic. The starting options are just different locations on the map. This gives the benefit of a custom handcrafted world.
Resources aren't evenly distributed. So the biomes themselves don't change the gameplay, but you will need to explore and expand your factories across the map. There's no proc gen at all.
But that's basically the standard factorio model then right? Biomes are just set dressing? No major gameplay implications like resource availability/ecology/weather?
I think Satisfactory is trying to appeal more to people who care less about making the perfect factory and more about being immersed in the game itself, at least from my experience with it. People like us who only care about the logistics of setting up an elegant system are better served by games like DSP, Factorio, Shapez, etc.
I think you're discounting the experience of being in first person mode in a 3d world. Is a biome of steep cliffs the same to build in as a grassy plains? Is an archipelago the same as rolling hills consumed by jungle?
There are no explicit mechanical effects, but the terrain matters a good deal even if you don't care about the view.
I put 120 hours into EA, and now I'm about 20 hours into 1.0.
I bounced off both Factorio and DSP.
Factorio to me if very drab and gloomy. I don't find the color pallete visually appealing, and the game is very much centered on logistics. Very little design.
DSP almost gives me a headache. Everything seems too small. I feel like how (I think) some people do when the FOV is super low in an FPS. I don't know how else to explain it.
Satisfactory to me has neither of those issues. It's a colorful, big building factory game with a fun world to explore. Some people knock the emphasis the game allows you to have on aesthetics, but it's probably my favorite part of it. The first person element means I get to literally walk through my factories too, which is awesome.
DSP is a special game that takes a special type of person I think. The POV didn't bother me at all but I can see why it would bother some others (though maybe something has changed since you last played, since it was fairly similar to factorio.) The level of complexity and scale of DSP is unmatched in any game I've ever played, and the draw of starting from scratch to building galaxy scale dyson sphere networks in real time is unparalleled.
Have you tried Mindustry? It’s a much simpler, stripped back game comparatively, but I felt similarly about Factorio’s color palette and I felt Mindustry’s is much more vibrant
While true, I probably should have also included that I dislike the tower defense component. Satisfactory's combat is something you have to actively seek out when you're ready. Plus your stuff can't be destroyed. Much more chill game.