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Cyberpunk 2077 - Gameplay trailer

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  1. [9]
    Atvelonis
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    I'm curious to see how this game pans out. It looks detailed. My one concern is the apparent focus of combat on violence: not that I mind its existence, but I like having the option of a pacifist...

    I'm curious to see how this game pans out. It looks detailed. My one concern is the apparent focus of combat on violence: not that I mind its existence, but I like having the option of a pacifist or morality run in these sorts of games—morality for my sake, practicality for my player character's, perhaps.

    One of the things that bothered me about The Witcher 3 were the number of situations in which it was impossible to avoid killing a lot of innocent (if unpleasant) people just to get out of an awkward situation. The game took careful note of some violence Geralt committed, altering social NPC behavior accordingly, but it wasn't very consistent in its doing so, especially for the "expendable" enemies like bandits. Conversely, one of the things I enjoyed very much about Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain was the game's implicit support of neat, controlled combat situations over mass murder. Of course, MGSV is somewhat more narrowly designed to be a stealth shooter, but even within these limitations you do have a lot of free rein. You can still kill everyone if you want, but generally speaking you benefit from calculated restraint. The game's suggestion of non-violence is clearly ethical, but from Snake's perspective, it's mostly just a matter of getting the job done with as little collateral damage as possible. And I find it hard to believe that that is not a worthwhile endeavor for any "hired gun," even one in a dystopian scene like Cyberpunk. Thinking in-universe, killing a lot of people for no reason is an easy way to make a lot of unnecessary enemies, and is that really the best course of action? If the criminal underworld is so dangerous, surely you would want to avoid the hassle of dealing with every now-dead person and their mother (or cousin, or best friend, or creditors) whenever you get into a tiff.

    I don't think I have the hardware to run this game at a framerate I'd be comfortable with (90fps+). My i5-4460 and GTX 970 hover somewhere around the minimum requirements (i5-3570k and GTX 780), but fall a bit short of the recommended specs (i7-4790 and GTX 1060). Time for an upgrade, I guess? I'm a little out of the loop, but I hear that both Nvidia and AMD are putting out some powerful cards soon.

    15 votes
    1. [5]
      SuperGracchiBros
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      Cyberpunk has become pretty much divorced from it's main message of "unchecked capitalism combined with continued technological advancement will make life a living nightmare." Now (especially in...

      My one concern is the apparent focus of combat on violence

      Cyberpunk has become pretty much divorced from it's main message of "unchecked capitalism combined with continued technological advancement will make life a living nightmare." Now (especially in games) its just another flavour of power fantasy, with high tech and vaguely anti-capitalist undertones.

      15 votes
      1. [4]
        whbboyd
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        The canonical illustration of this concept.
        16 votes
        1. [3]
          SuperGracchiBros
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          Yep, that sums it up pretty succinctly. I vaguely remember seeing a warhammer 40k one in the same style.

          Yep, that sums it up pretty succinctly. I vaguely remember seeing a warhammer 40k one in the same style.

          2 votes
          1. [3]
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            1. SuperGracchiBros
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              While I wouldn't say deep, it does have some underlying messages but generally suffers from Starship Troopers Syndrome. Its supposed to be a satire of militarism, religious zealotry, and...

              While I wouldn't say deep, it does have some underlying messages but generally suffers from Starship Troopers Syndrome. Its supposed to be a satire of militarism, religious zealotry, and xenophobia, and how embracing those things makes a society into it's own worst enemy. Problem is the satire's lost when said society builds cool shit like 100m tall walking cathedrals with cannons for arms.

              8 votes
            2. tindall
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              Im🅱️erialism

              Im🅱️erialism

              2 votes
    2. Fal
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      This IGN video seems to imply that the game is less combat-focused than the trailers let on. I'll admit though, I wasn't super thrilled about how much combat was being shown in the trailers, so...

      This IGN video seems to imply that the game is less combat-focused than the trailers let on. I'll admit though, I wasn't super thrilled about how much combat was being shown in the trailers, so hopefully its just an advertising thing.

      6 votes
    3. GCUGreyArea
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      I feel like it is worth keeping in mind that slower-paced interactions don't translate well to short trailers that will capture the attention of potential customers. It's possible that the game...

      I feel like it is worth keeping in mind that slower-paced interactions don't translate well to short trailers that will capture the attention of potential customers. It's possible that the game does allow non-violent solutions, but we just haven't seen them because they don't fit the marketing departments master plan. I will withhold judgement until I see what some of the more trusted reviewers have to say about this. And I agree that it would be a wasted opportunity if the game was only about shooting virtual people.

      5 votes
    4. streblo
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      On one hand, AAA budgets let these crazy detailed, beautiful worlds really come alive in a way that is only possible with scores of artists and 10s to hundreds of millions of dollars. On the other...

      On one hand, AAA budgets let these crazy detailed, beautiful worlds really come alive in a way that is only possible with scores of artists and 10s to hundreds of millions of dollars. On the other hand, it basically forces them to chase mass market appeal to be profitable -- and there is nothing more mass market than endless gunplay.

      4 votes
  2. ohyran
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    In my bookshelf is a meter of Cyberpunk the pen and paper RPG books. I've played that game since just before the 2020 version in the early 90's plus some of the spinoffs (Like Cybergen). When they...

    In my bookshelf is a meter of Cyberpunk the pen and paper RPG books.

    I've played that game since just before the 2020 version in the early 90's plus some of the spinoffs (Like Cybergen). When they mention some core characters from that game in the trailer I had to do a little "yay!"
    Watching this is cool because its sort of what we played as kids, some chunks seems removed from the world. (not to mention the sensations as if one of the megacorps from the game is the one releasing it)

    So might buy it, might not. It can only disappoint at this point.

    7 votes
  3. [5]
    cfabbro
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    Had to stop at about 3:30 cuz it definitely seemed to start getting into spoiler territory. Also added a topic tag so others know to be wary. I am so f'n hyped for this game though. :P

    Had to stop at about 3:30 cuz it definitely seemed to start getting into spoiler territory. Also added a topic tag so others know to be wary.

    I am so f'n hyped for this game though. :P

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      drannex
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      One of the very few games that every time something new gets shown, it gets me more hyped instead of the normal alternative.

      One of the very few games that every time something new gets shown, it gets me more hyped instead of the normal alternative.

      5 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        The only news that made me slightly depressed was hearing about the 100hr/week crunch. It didn't make me less hyped for the game, but it was definitely disappointing to hear, especially given...

        The only news that made me slightly depressed was hearing about the 100hr/week crunch. It didn't make me less hyped for the game, but it was definitely disappointing to hear, especially given CDPR's previous "promise" not to resort to that. :(

        7 votes
    2. [2]
      AugustusFerdinand
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      You did so correctly. I haven't been paying attention to the videos because I saw the original trailer, I know I'm going to buy it as soon as it goes on sale, and there are story spoilers in this...

      You did so correctly. I haven't been paying attention to the videos because I saw the original trailer, I know I'm going to buy it as soon as it goes on sale, and there are story spoilers in this trailer. I'm sure the game will have hundreds of hours of gameplay beyond what they spoiled, but I don't need to know the entire plot to be sold on a game.

      4 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        I considered stopping, but also considered that this trailer is made by CDPR so if they don't consider these points major spoilers, I'll trust them on that point since it's their story.

        I considered stopping, but also considered that this trailer is made by CDPR so if they don't consider these points major spoilers, I'll trust them on that point since it's their story.

        4 votes
  4. FishFingus
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    Here's the latest Night City Wire, which contains a bunch of other videos released earlier today plus the trailer at the end.

    Here's the latest Night City Wire, which contains a bunch of other videos released earlier today plus the trailer at the end.

    2 votes
  5. tindall
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    I hope the game is good, but man, fuck CDPR. They're abusive to their employees, they're transphobic, they don't understand transhumanism or cyberpunk at all, and their game platform doesn't...

    I hope the game is good, but man, fuck CDPR. They're abusive to their employees, they're transphobic, they don't understand transhumanism or cyberpunk at all, and their game platform doesn't support Linux despite it being the most upvoted feature request for like, years. They're a characature of an entertainment company in the exact setting they purport to be interested in portraying. If this company had existed in Snow Crash I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

    6 votes