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Jet Lag Season 17: Taiwan Rail Rush | Trailer

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  1. [5]
    Fal
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    Oh no, its the Au$tralia season on steroids. Also congrats to the Youtube channel for reaching 1 million subscribers!

    Oh no, its the Au$tralia season on steroids.

    Also congrats to the Youtube channel for reaching 1 million subscribers!

    6 votes
    1. Protected
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      Almost done with episode 4 and man, this format is such a winner. It shot straight to the top of my favorite jet lag formats (with hide and seek) with no reservations. It's very good at showing...

      Almost done with episode 4 and man, this format is such a winner. It shot straight to the top of my favorite jet lag formats (with hide and seek) with no reservations. It's very good at showing the country's various places, it's exciting and it's balanced. I did think Australia had enormous potential when they did it, and liked New Zealand a lot as well.

      6 votes
    2. [3]
      deimosthenes
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      Having a look at that rail map it's largely a big linear loop with a few offshoots. I am actually curious how that'll change this style of game compared to the Australia season which had much...

      Having a look at that rail map it's largely a big linear loop with a few offshoots.
      I am actually curious how that'll change this style of game compared to the Australia season which had much fewer nodes but more flexible travel between them.
      Other than train seasons having an inherent coolness advantage over plane seasons, of course.

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        Fal
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        I did notice that, the linear loop-ness of it all makes me think that it'll play more like the New Zealand season, with each team going in a different direction around the loop. The strategy there...

        I did notice that, the linear loop-ness of it all makes me think that it'll play more like the New Zealand season, with each team going in a different direction around the loop. The strategy there then is deciding how to defend your holdings once you pass them I suppose.

        4 votes
        1. Nsutdwa
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          They can't split up, even temporarily, can they?

          They can't split up, even temporarily, can they?

          1 vote
  2. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Ep 1 — Taiwan Rail Rush: Nebula YouTube

    Ep 1 — Taiwan Rail Rush:

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      secret_online
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      Episode 1 spoilers Ok, I think this series has potential. There's a fair amount of strategy and mingle games for how many coins to put down at each stop, which they've commented on in the podcast...
      Episode 1 spoilers

      Ok, I think this series has potential. There's a fair amount of strategy and mingle games for how many coins to put down at each stop, which they've commented on in the podcast as keeping the game feeling fresher than the other formats.

      Oh, and I instinctively called them coins didn't I. I know they're chips, and the team called them chips to differentiate then from how coins work in other seasons. Still, even in this episode, they have to fight calling then coins. I think coins would have been ok, they've used it as a generic term before.

      I think Adam and Ben made the right decision to not combat Sam and Michael on the bird challenge, and instead be a bit more aggressive on the board to get some stations down. Plus they got to choose the busier side of the island where there are more stations and more trains to connect to.

      On the podcast Michael talks about his strategy for the bird challenge, which was to try and memorise everything. In hindsight, he realises that Sam is almost definitely going to choose a distinctive bird and therefore he doesn't need to memorise every type of dove or pigeon. It works out in the end, because Sam chooses a distinctive bird. Also not shown on the show is the fact they had to find the sign in the park. It's not at all obvious where the sign is, so the first step was to walk around and find it in the first place. They decided to cut all that from the episode to keep the pace up.

      Adam at the tofu rocks going in with a plan to remember a sequence of numbers abstracted away from the path he would be taking was certainly a choice. I also think his chances went down drastically when he realised it was a hex grid rather than square, as that seemed to shake him really bad. For those sorts of challenges I think the answer is just to try and memorise the shape of the path relative to a certain direction and follow that shape as best as you can.

      The cat village was very vibey, though I don't think I'd want to live there. I think the novelty of having all the cats around would wear off quickly. Michael was right in that the photo of cats touching would be the hardest to get. My watching buddy was talking about how "cat puddles" are a thing, but that's only for cats that are more familiar with each other and are in a safe place, and I feel that's less likely in a village full of strays.

      Back to Adam and Ben, as soon as I saw the Buddha and pagodas was a Monty Hall problem I paused and told my buddy "mathematically they should switch, but I am sure Amy would have chosen the Buddha to fake them out". We then had a tangent where I had to explain the Monty Hall problem to them (which took a while), but I felt vindicated at the end when it turns out that Amy did indeed put the metaphorical car in the Buddha tower.

      The quiz questions for the hot tub hot seat were tough, I'm not surprised Sam didn't get them. Apparently there were more geography and food questions that Sam would have answered, but of course Michael doesn't know Sam having only played this game for less than a day at this point. Also they didn't really factor in how long it would take to just ask the questions, so they were both glad they attempted a conservative number of questions even if they didn't get it.

      I'm definitely looking forward to how this one plays out. As I said at the top, it has potential for sure, and the loop-like nature of Taiwan's rail network makes this game work really well here.

      4 votes
      1. Nsutdwa
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        Episode 1 spoilers I felt bad for Adam at the tofu rocks, I think the principle was good, I'd find it easier to remember a string of numbers, at least for a brief period. But they should have...
        Episode 1 spoilers I felt bad for Adam at the tofu rocks, I think the principle was good, I'd find it easier to remember a string of numbers, at least for a brief period. But they should have looked at the rocks first and seen that they're not so perfectly aligned as to allow that to work. I had to laugh when he was still panicking about that realisation and about 20 seconds had passed - that's when I was absolutely positive he wouldn't be able to do it. I think two minutes to learn that pattern would be a tall ask, even with a functional "notation", tbh.

        I'm really enjoying watching them have to get away from the railway (stations) to get to challenges. I'm not blown away by Taiwan's beauty (yet?), but I find it fascinating to see around a different country like this.

        What do you think of the Sam/Mike pairing? I'm really enjoying Sam get a teammate that he seems to have gelled with almost immediately. It's great seeing him laugh, get mocked and mock in return, and generally be able to bounce off a guest like that. Mike's bringing great energy, almost like Michelle, but wound down a bit, makes them fun to watch. It's really a big strength of Jet Lag having that core cast with new (and repeated) guests, it really helps keep it fresh.

        5 votes
  3. [6]
    Protected
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    Spoiler-free episode 1 comments: Great format so far; Good guest; Wow, Taiwan looks great to visit.

    Spoiler-free episode 1 comments:

    • Great format so far;
    • Good guest;
    • Wow, Taiwan looks great to visit.
    5 votes
    1. GOTO10
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      The challenges were fun. They (Amy I guess) managed to come up with things which gets them away from the station a bit, so that the show is not only footage of trains. It looks like the teams will...

      The challenges were fun. They (Amy I guess) managed to come up with things which gets them away from the station a bit, so that the show is not only footage of trains. It looks like the teams will do a lot of walking, though.

      2 votes
    2. [4]
      Nsutdwa
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      I'm desperate for some spoiler-laden discussion of the episodes. Is that something that comes up on Tildes? Perhaps in line with the youtube releases to catch a wider audience? Also, I agree with...

      I'm desperate for some spoiler-laden discussion of the episodes. Is that something that comes up on Tildes? Perhaps in line with the youtube releases to catch a wider audience? Also, I agree with your three bullets, really positive impression of this season.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        MimicSquid
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        Generally people will discuss the episodes under spoiler tags so that people can engage with their thoughts about the episodes when they've had a chance to watch regardless of whether they're...

        Generally people will discuss the episodes under spoiler tags so that people can engage with their thoughts about the episodes when they've had a chance to watch regardless of whether they're watching on Nebula or YouTube.

        3 votes
        1. Nsutdwa
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          Good call, I always forget that the spoiler tags are an option!

          Good call, I always forget that the spoiler tags are an option!

          2 votes
      2. CptBluebear
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        You can look through the previous Season's discussion to get a feel how that goes: https://tildes.net/~hobbies/1roj/jet_lag_season_16_hide_seek_united_kingdom_trailer There is indeed a split...

        You can look through the previous Season's discussion to get a feel how that goes:
        https://tildes.net/~hobbies/1roj/jet_lag_season_16_hide_seek_united_kingdom_trailer

        There is indeed a split between Nebula and YouTube watchers, so discussions tend to be off and on.

        2 votes
  4. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Ep 2 — Taiwan Rail Rush: Nebula YouTube

    Ep 2 — Taiwan Rail Rush:

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      secret_online
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      Episode 2 spoilers My feeling about this season keeps growing. I think it was definitely the right decision of Sam and Michael to go back to the west coast of the island. With there being more...
      Episode 2 spoilers

      My feeling about this season keeps growing.

      I think it was definitely the right decision of Sam and Michael to go back to the west coast of the island. With there being more stations there, I feel like it's more likely that new challenges will appear in the area, as well as there being more ways to get there between the high speed and local lines. It definitely pays off, especially when do many challenges end up being in the top half of the map where they already are, which then effectively forces Adam and Ben to go down even further.

      That tofu rocks challenge strikes again. I this Sam and Michael did the right things by practicing beforehand to give them the best chance. They also realised that trying to translate the path to a sequence and memorising the sequence was more effort and it'd be faster to remember the path. Still, it bested them. Apparently when Amy designed the path she might not have known that the memorisation time was only 2 minutes, due to the way that challenges were designed this season.

      The McDonald's taste test was meant to be a shrimp tempura burger, but the particular place they went weren't selling it. Amy had actually put together an entire list of fallback options, and the one they had was like 3rd on the list.

      Apparently they've had the challenge where you have to film for some amount of time where nobody enters the frame in a lot of seasons, it's just never come up. As soon as I saw Adam take his shoes off I physically cringed. I've lived near a fairly silty river, and I just do not enjoy the squelchy mud, and after that he would have had to put his socks and shoes back on without cleaning them and that just is not fun. Apart from that, I think they did pretty well here. They identified an area where nobody would go, then angled the shot to ensure the best chances, and went for it. Not much to say about it really.

      The following is a direct quote from the podcast:

      So then Mike and I go and acquire some juicy balls. Juicy balls to suck and blow on, [...]

      (I refuse to grow up)

      They say it on the podcast, but it's cool that there is just a place that made boba tea a thing, and it has stayed in a small building, and while it has definitely been upgraded over the years, it's still just a shop on the street and not some big giant commercial enterprise. As for the execution of the challenge, once they figured out to shoot them high their success rate went massively up. There would have been some editing, since Michael said their success rate was about 50% by the end, but that was still way better than shooting straight for the cup. If they knew about the technique before calling the shots, then I'm sure they would have gone much higher.

      The monkey mountain cliffhanger was such a good place to end the episode. I haven't watched episode 3 yet, but I feel it could go either way. In the research they did before making their guess, they saw videos with lots of monkeys, but in the video itself I'm not hearing all that much noise, and there's only so much distance you can cover walking and looking out for monkeys in 40 minutes.

      There was some extra chat on the podcast about their overnighting, Sam and Michael stayed at this nautical themed place, and I was thinking their story was actually going to go somewhere or explain why there's a nautical themed hotel in a random office building, but instead it ended on some social embarassment as they are asked why they're choosing to stay there. This paragraph I'm writing also seemed like it was going somewhere.

      4 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        Ep 2 spoilers Yeah, it's still early, but I suspect Sam & Michael doubling back to the North West might have just won them the game since the density of stations there is significantly higher...
        Ep 2 spoilers

        Yeah, it's still early, but I suspect Sam & Michael doubling back to the North West might have just won them the game since the density of stations there is significantly higher which is causing (and likely to continue to cause) the majority of the new challenges to appear nearer them than Ben & Adam. Speaking of which, I think if they were to do this sort of game again they really need to do something to fix that potential issue. Perhaps by actually making it less truly random, and adding a minimum/maximum distance from the nearest competitor for the next challenge to appear, and/or ensuring at least one challenge appears reasonably close to each team so it doesn't end up being completely one-sided.

        Another thing that kind of bothers me about the game design is the stealing chips mechanic. IMO it's way too easy for teams to quickly spend their excess chips as soon as they see the other team heading towards a steal... which makes that mechanic feel like a total waste of time.

        Regardless, it's still been entertaining so far though and I'm looking forwards to the next episode.

        Apparently when Amy designed the path she might not have known that the memorisation time was only 2 minutes

        Ah, I was wondering about that. Because even with all the practicing Sam & Micheal did, that felt almost impossible to memorize in just 2 minutes.

        As soon as I saw Adam take his shoes off I physically cringed

        LOL, me too. So gross. :P

        3 votes
  5. [4]
    cfabbro
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    Ep 3 — Taiwan Rail Rush: Nebula YouTube

    Ep 3 — Taiwan Rail Rush:

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      secret_online
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      Episode 3 spoilers Monkey mountain delivers! The team on the podcast all agree that 40 monkeys was about bang on the correct number for this challenge, in that it was both high but also...
      Episode 3 spoilers

      Monkey mountain delivers! The team on the podcast all agree that 40 monkeys was about bang on the correct number for this challenge, in that it was both high but also achievable. Sam and Michael had quite the shock learning that the boys earned 80 coins from that, especially after going low with the boba challenge.

      The zoo challenge entirely depended on whether there were grazing animals in there. Luckily there were, and it's quite funny that they immediately walk in and find a llama. They do comment on how challenges sometimes deviate from their expected value (sometimes a low value challenge is hard, or a high value challenge is easy), and that's just part of the game. There is also some chatter about the spreadsheet they were using to track everything, and how they blacked out the rows until that challenge was unlocked, and used colour coding to note the state of it. It's a lot of manual admin to be doing mid-game.

      I have to say, I enjoyed some of the edits in this part of the episode. Sam and Michael drop their bags off and comment on how freeing it is, then we cut to Adam and Ben having to lug their packs up the mountain. Adam and Ben talk about how they need to find monkeys, then it jumps to Sam and Michael outside the zoo looking at the monkey enclosure. Later we see both teams wanting to get on the train they need, one team get on and the other doesn't.

      On the podcast they mention how these two challenges were almost simultaneous, and there were tough editing decisions to make those cuts work. The boys completed monkey mountain only about 10-15 minutes before Sam and Michael attempted the zoo challenge, which is so close when you think about the fact they are doing two animal challenges on opposite ends of the country. I'm glad they did shift things around a little, as watching the entirety of monkey mountain in one go without the cuts to the other team would have been really long.

      Sam and Michael not making it onto their train actually helps them here, because they end up with the ability to go for a different steal. Trying to count jellyfish in curved tanks in a low-light mirrored room is the kind of thing you'd see in actual reality tv. I think they both did a very good job at following through on the challenge. I've quite enjoyed these challenges where the two team members have to be in sync with each other, and it seems they do too so I wouldn't be surprised if more of these featured in future team games.

      I'm really enjoying how this season is going. This is a good format for the location they've chosen, and I think there are things they can definitely take into future games.

      3 votes
      1. GOTO10
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        spoil > I'm really enjoying how this season is going Yeah same, but it would have been great if there was a rail line crossing through the middle of the island, just to have a few more options and...
        spoil > I'm really enjoying how this season is going

        Yeah same, but it would have been great if there was a rail line crossing through the middle of the island, just to have a few more options and threats.

        5 votes
      2. cfabbro
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        Ditto! Despite me still posting all their YouTube video links every Season, still watching them all, and still occasionally participating in the discussions here on Tildes, I actually got a bit...

        I'm really enjoying how this season is going.

        Ditto! Despite me still posting all their YouTube video links every Season, still watching them all, and still occasionally participating in the discussions here on Tildes, I actually got a bit burned out with Jet Lag, TBH. However, this season has rekindled my love of it again though. :)

        4 votes
  6. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Ep 4 — Taiwan Rail Rush: Nebula YouTube

    Ep 4 — Taiwan Rail Rush:

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      secret_online
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      Episode 4 spoilers Quote of the episode: Looking back at this episode, so little and so much happened here. This feels like a turning point almost, where everything the teams have done before led...
      Episode 4 spoilers

      Quote of the episode:

      Ben: Well, I'm holding a banana.
      Adam: wheeze
      Ben: ...and it tastes like a banana.

      Looking back at this episode, so little and so much happened here. This feels like a turning point almost, where everything the teams have done before led to this point.

      Of course, the big thing that happens in this episode is that Sam and Michael have a path to steal the steal, and do it. The challenge itself seems to be one that wasn't quite calibrated correctly, but i mentioned in last week's comment that that's just a natural part of this game. It seems very much like they looked at a map, took the most straightforward route to town, and the place they were looking for was on the corner of the main street.

      The big knock-on effect is that Adam and Ben have do throw down so many chips on their stations so that the steal didn't give Sam and Michael an even bigger chip lead. They might've won 70 chips with the taste test challenge, but they had throw them all down in an area that Sam and Michael were never going to contest. Now they're basically in a position where the have to go big on the can stacking challenge in order to try and break through the barrier to where the challenges are.

      I'm very interested to see how the next episode plays out, because a lot of this game now depends on whether Adam can walk 200ft with a stack of cans. If he succeeds, then there's the possibility of breaking through into the Taipei area where both teams are rushing to claim challenges. If he fails, then it'll be difficult to dethrone Sam and Michael. I'll always root for the boys, but I definitely want them to succeed even more here.

      3 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        Episode 4 spoilers Yeah, them managing to steal the steal was huge. And I was totally wrong about the steal mechanic being useless. Both in this episode and the previous one the steals have had a...
        Episode 4 spoilers

        Sam and Michael have a path to steal the steal.

        Yeah, them managing to steal the steal was huge. And I was totally wrong about the steal mechanic being useless. Both in this episode and the previous one the steals have had a massive impact on the game, even with Adam and Ben dumping a ton of chips beforehand.

        And yeah, if Adam fails to get a significant amount of chips with that task and they can't break through the NE I think that's pretty much a guaranteed game over. :/ They would have to backtrack aaaaaaaaall the way to the SW where the high-speed rail line is before they could pick up any more nodes and then ride that all the way to the NW to get any more. And that's a LOT of wasted travel time!

        2 votes