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Yet another variation on the initialism: LGBTQIASB+

I've been pleased recently to start hearing and seeing another variation on the "LGBT" initialism here in Australia: LGBTQIASB+

  • Lesbian

  • Gay

  • Bisexual

  • Transgender

  • Queer

  • Intersex

  • Asexual

  • Sistergirl

  • Brotherboy

The latter two terms, "sistergirl" and "brotherboy", are Aboriginal Australian words for people who are gender non-conforming. This includes transgender people as we westerners understand "transgender", but the terms are more inclusive than that. This article explains it better than I possibly could.

The reason I'm so pleased to see this new variation on the LGBT initialism is because the only other variation which includes First Peoples I've seen is the American one that uses "2S" for these (from "two-spirit"). The first time I saw that (and every other time, to be honest), I felt this was highly parochial and exclusive - which is the opposite of what the initialism should be. So now I'm glad there's a Down Under version, which includes the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

Are there any other local variations like this?

12 comments

  1. [9]
    drannex
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    As a member of the community, I really dislike all the additional letters. It really makes the entire system seem like an unfunny joke, and really demeans all of us. I've always been particularly...

    As a member of the community, I really dislike all the additional letters. It really makes the entire system seem like an unfunny joke, and really demeans all of us. I've always been particularly more of an advocate for GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) that just encompasses all of them in a nice and simple acronym.

    24 votes
    1. Algernon_Asimov
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      Personally, I prefer "rainbow community", as it's inclusive without being academic. It's friendly and easy to use. But I don't get to decide what terms are used by the majority of people.

      Personally, I prefer "rainbow community", as it's inclusive without being academic. It's friendly and easy to use.

      But I don't get to decide what terms are used by the majority of people.

      6 votes
    2. [3]
      Gaywallet
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      Some people like it, others don't. I think having variations at time can be nice, but I basically always refer to the community as simply 'queer' or LGBTQ+ depending on the context of who I'm...

      Some people like it, others don't. I think having variations at time can be nice, but I basically always refer to the community as simply 'queer' or LGBTQ+ depending on the context of who I'm speaking with.

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        streblo
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        Is the placement of the '+' something that is ever contentious? For e.g. intersex people who might want LGBTQI+ as the preferred term or is acronym representation not something people actually...

        Is the placement of the '+' something that is ever contentious? For e.g. intersex people who might want LGBTQI+ as the preferred term or is acronym representation not something people actually worry about?

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        1. Gaywallet
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          You will find people on both sides of this issue. If someone has a strong opinion I'm happy to adjust, but at some point it's a lot of letters to say in order to refer to something that less...

          You will find people on both sides of this issue. If someone has a strong opinion I'm happy to adjust, but at some point it's a lot of letters to say in order to refer to something that less syllables can refer to

          5 votes
    3. [4]
      PhantomBand
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      Perhaps a tad problematic.

      I've always been particularly more of an advocate for GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities)

      Perhaps a tad problematic.

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        Seven
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        How is that problematic?

        How is that problematic?

        3 votes
        1. [2]
          Kuromantis
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          I think he just meant potentially confusing. But I doubt that many people know about that organization, as opposed to about the term GSM in the LGBT sense.

          I think he just meant potentially confusing. But I doubt that many people know about that organization, as opposed to about the term GSM in the LGBT sense.

          8 votes
  2. [3]
    EgoEimi
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    I'm a gay Asian-American. I've been wary of the recent surge of international queer-mainstream interest in indigenous cultural gender constructs. A lot of information around these constructs...
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    I'm a gay Asian-American. I've been wary of the recent surge of international queer-mainstream interest in indigenous cultural gender constructs.

    A lot of information around these constructs appear to be propagated by non-indigenous people, so I'm skeptical of their veracity. I get the vague sense that this is the 2020s equivalent to getting Asian character tattoos, where the international queer community is drawn to a cool, exotic cultural phenomenon.

    The constructs don't appear to be universally or contemporarily shared by indigenous cultures. From what I can learn, those cultures utilized these constructs primarily for hierarchal or religious roles, similar to how the ancient-to-late-imperial Chinese used eunuchs as quasi-non-binary "non-men" to fulfill certain political roles. The elevation of tribe-specific constructs to the superethnic level seems (to me) akin to asserting that fengshui is very important to Asians.

    And I also wonder — do these culture-specific constructs even have meaning or utility outside of their original cultural contexts? I think that their cultures have the necessary structures to give these constructs meaning and utility. But when they are non-contextualized in outside cultures they are meaningless. Even with awareness, they are merely definitions and facts — but ultimately cultural constructs without cultural import outside of their native cultures.

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    1. cfabbro
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      I get where you're coming from in being wary of appropriation and misuse, but it's worth noting that, at least here in North America, using "two-spirit" as an umbrella term was first proposed at...

      I get where you're coming from in being wary of appropriation and misuse, but it's worth noting that, at least here in North America, using "two-spirit" as an umbrella term was first proposed at the third annual Intertribal Native American, First Nations, Gay and Lesbian American Conference. And AFAIK it's not "non-indigenous people" that have been responsible for "propagating" it either, but Indigenous LGBTQ+ organizations themselves who have since adopted the term and continued to push for its wider use.

      In the early 1990s, as part of an effort to reclaim traditions, Indigenous peoples sought to find a word or phrase originating from an Indigenous community to replace berdache. Although there were terms in various Indigenous languages to describe third and fourth genders (i.e., men-women and women-men) as well as homosexual people, they wanted a contemporary term that could be used by the general public.

      At the third annual Intertribal Native American, First Nations, Gay and Lesbian American Conference, held in Winnipeg, Manitoba in 1990, activist Albert McLeod proposed the term two-spirit to refer to the Indigenous LGBTQ community. The term was well received by the conference attendees and soon gained popularity within Indigenous communities. The term is used today to broadly reference the Indigenous LGBTQ community. Some two-spirit societies also use the terms LGBTQ2S or LGBTTIQQ2S (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transgender, Intersexual, Queer, Questioning, 2-Spirited) to incorporate two-spirit people within the larger LGBTQ community.

      From the 1990s to the present, awareness about two-spirit people has increased both within and outside Indigenous communities. Organizations such as the National Confederacy of Two-Spirit Organizations (NC2SO) and the Northeast Two-Spirit Society (now known as the East Coast Two Spirit Society, EC2SS) seek to educate the general public about two-spirit traditions. They also serve as sources of support for Indigenous LGTBQ individuals. In January 2013, NC2SO and EC2SS created a resource directory of two-spirit groups in Canada and the United States.

      Source: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/two-spirit

      And for some background on Albert McLeod:

      McLeod is a status Indian with ancestry from Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation and the Métis community of Norway House. Known as a progressive thinker and visionary, McLeod has led the way for rights and recognition of 2S people in North America since 1986. Recognizing the importance of Elder Myra Laramee’s vision of Two-Spirit in 1990, McLeod has worked with LGBTQ Indigenous people across the continent to organize under the name “Two Spirit” to remember the honoured roles of non-binary gender people in pre-contact First Nations, and the important spiritual role they played within their communities. Since then, the movement has grown to involve organizations throughout North America. It has also made an impact on academia that includes research and scholarly books on various aspects of Two-Spirit history, philosophy, and sociology.

      McLeod is recognized as a pioneer in HIV education for Indigenous people. His commitment to 2S people and Indigenous people living with HIV/AIDS is evident in the range of service commitments he has made over the years, including an HIV-101 workshop that he developed and delivered. This education program was instrumental in reducing the stigma experienced by families living with HIV/AIDS. McLeod’s innovative leadership led to the development of services for impacted communities, including Nine Circles Community Health Centre, Canadian Aboriginal AIDS Network, and Ka Ni Kanichihk’s HIV intiatives.

      Last year, as an organizing committee member, he played a key role in the success of an historic event hosted by UWinnipeg: Two Spirit and Queer People of Colour (QPOC): A Call to Conversation with LGBTQ and Allies (C2C). He also participated on the Advisory Council to help the Government of Canada develop an apology for injustices faced by 2LGBTQ+ communities.

      9 votes
    2. Algernon_Asimov
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      The article I linked in my post was written by an indigenous person who identifies as a brotherboy. I made sure to check that this article wasn't written from an outsider's point of view when I...

      A lot of information around these constructs appear to be propagated by non-indigenous people, so I'm skeptical of their veracity.

      The article I linked in my post was written by an indigenous person who identifies as a brotherboy. I made sure to check that this article wasn't written from an outsider's point of view when I was deciding whether to include it in my post.

      The constructs don't appear to be universally or contemporarily shared by indigenous cultures.

      Which is why we have different initialisms for different countries: the American version includes a phrase used by Native Americans, and the Australian version includes terms used by indigenous Australians.

      And I also wonder — do these culture-specific constructs even have meaning or utility outside of their original cultural contexts?

      Do they have to have meaning outside those cultural contexts? They're specific to the cultures they come from, and that's fine. Including brotherboys and sistergirls in the Australian version of the LGBT+ initialism doesn't mean that all Aussies can claim to be brotherboys or sistergirls; it just means we recognise them in our rainbow community. Importantly, it recognises that the western definition of "transgender", which is already recognised in the initialism "LGBT", does not include all brotherboys and sistergirls.

      8 votes