Young Greenlandic woman living in Denmark will regain custody of the infant girl taken from her shortly after birth – becomes the latest flashpoint between Denmark and Greenland
I suspect people find me annoying when I rant about eugenics or white supremacy on topics where it doesn't seem to be the focus but parenting tests - especially using IQ tests- are absolutely one...
I suspect people find me annoying when I rant about eugenics or white supremacy on topics where it doesn't seem to be the focus but parenting tests - especially using IQ tests- are absolutely one of the major things that flag as being used to control minority populations, to control how those children are raised and by whom, and with the idea that if you take them away from their ignorant, stupid, parents you can maybe fix or compensate for the "bad blood" in them.
Denmark isn't using that language out loud but people decided to use these tests on this parent - among others - even after the law said not to. I wish there was a willingness to investigate and name why officials are doing that. Because otherwise it sort of slides by. I'm not sure if Denmark sees them as immigrants or indigenous or both. I'm not sure if the children are in a system designed to re-unify them with families or adopt them out, and whether that standard is different depending on their ethnicity.
We've clashed a couple of times along those lines, yeah, but for what it's worth this is an occasion in which it's clearly warranted to discuss how eugenics and white supremacy play a role. I...
We've clashed a couple of times along those lines, yeah, but for what it's worth this is an occasion in which it's clearly warranted to discuss how eugenics and white supremacy play a role. I think you're exactly right to bring it up. Taking children away - whether it be preemptively through sterilization or in a more literal sense like this one - is a fearsome power that the state should always, always hesitate to use and which should prompt the maximum possible amount of self-reflection.
If it were really about helping the child I feel like the government would just give mom support. Assign a home care aid or something along those lines. Still dehumanizing but not as bad as...
If it were really about helping the child I feel like the government would just give mom support. Assign a home care aid or something along those lines. Still dehumanizing but not as bad as literally taking a child from its mother who loves it and wants to care for it.
Oh it's absolutely not about helping the child. Another article was posted here a couple months back that went into more detail on the tests. As I stated in the comments on that one, the two...
Those tests aren't designed to be passable, they're designed to justify taking away children. Even psychologists noted they couldn't pass the tests. It's really horrifying and infuriating.
Once you decide to make a test it's so easy to make a test that agrees with you about who isn't fit, and then I mean it's consistent, and it must be valid because it agrees with you. Taking...
Once you decide to make a test it's so easy to make a test that agrees with you about who isn't fit, and then I mean it's consistent, and it must be valid because it agrees with you. Taking people's children away certainly doesn't put them in the best emotional state, which only confirms it. It's clearly for the best.
Seeing our sins repeated over and over makes me feel something - disappointment mostly I think. We could be better. We could choose to be so much better.
Maybe before using a test to deem if someone is capable, they should evaluate capable parents with the same test. Though saying that assumes the test is a result of incompetence and not...
asking about the name of the staircase in Rome
Maybe before using a test to deem if someone is capable, they should evaluate capable parents with the same test. Though saying that assumes the test is a result of incompetence and not deliberately made to find an excuse to remove children from anyone they've already decided is not fit to be a parent. I'm finding it real hard to see as incompetence, it feels like you'd have to go out of your way.
I just can't see how anyone would think a parent, or even a normal person, needs to know about some stairs in Rome. Why would anyone except Romans and tourists need to know? I don't even know their name, it's a landmark over a thousand miles away and it's stairs... which I just tried to looked up pictures of and all I got is "Spanish stairs", is it really those? They're just some old stairs, they don't even look all that exciting. Is there some big historical significance to Denmark or Europe? As far a I can tell skimming the wiki, they just replaced an annoying hill with stairs and it's not really any more exciting except for the building at the top. Might as well ask them to name one of the famous staircases in Japan, though some of those are far more interesting imo.
The problem is, of course, that they decide the benchmark for what counts as a capable parent. It's quite easy to design a test that a white college-educated native Danish-speaker can easily pass...
Maybe before using a test to deem if someone is capable, they should evaluate capable parents with the same test
The problem is, of course, that they decide the benchmark for what counts as a capable parent. It's quite easy to design a test that a white college-educated native Danish-speaker can easily pass that is unduly difficult for someone who does not fall into those categories. It's possible to do this unintentionally, but I highly doubt that was the case here. The staircase example is one of the most patently absurd ones, but very often things like this on such tests are really shibboleths.
I suspect people find me annoying when I rant about eugenics or white supremacy on topics where it doesn't seem to be the focus but parenting tests - especially using IQ tests- are absolutely one of the major things that flag as being used to control minority populations, to control how those children are raised and by whom, and with the idea that if you take them away from their ignorant, stupid, parents you can maybe fix or compensate for the "bad blood" in them.
Denmark isn't using that language out loud but people decided to use these tests on this parent - among others - even after the law said not to. I wish there was a willingness to investigate and name why officials are doing that. Because otherwise it sort of slides by. I'm not sure if Denmark sees them as immigrants or indigenous or both. I'm not sure if the children are in a system designed to re-unify them with families or adopt them out, and whether that standard is different depending on their ethnicity.
We've clashed a couple of times along those lines, yeah, but for what it's worth this is an occasion in which it's clearly warranted to discuss how eugenics and white supremacy play a role. I think you're exactly right to bring it up. Taking children away - whether it be preemptively through sterilization or in a more literal sense like this one - is a fearsome power that the state should always, always hesitate to use and which should prompt the maximum possible amount of self-reflection.
If it were really about helping the child I feel like the government would just give mom support. Assign a home care aid or something along those lines. Still dehumanizing but not as bad as literally taking a child from its mother who loves it and wants to care for it.
Oh it's absolutely not about helping the child. Another article was posted here a couple months back that went into more detail on the tests. As I stated in the comments on that one, the two questions that made me rage-quit reading the article were asking about the name of the staircase in Rome, and what glass is made of. Totally irrelevant to parenting.
Those tests aren't designed to be passable, they're designed to justify taking away children. Even psychologists noted they couldn't pass the tests. It's really horrifying and infuriating.
Once you decide to make a test it's so easy to make a test that agrees with you about who isn't fit, and then I mean it's consistent, and it must be valid because it agrees with you. Taking people's children away certainly doesn't put them in the best emotional state, which only confirms it. It's clearly for the best.
Seeing our sins repeated over and over makes me feel something - disappointment mostly I think. We could be better. We could choose to be so much better.
Yeah we cant just ride in on horseback anymore and pillage the entire village we gotta create a societal bureaucracy that pillages it for us
Maybe before using a test to deem if someone is capable, they should evaluate capable parents with the same test. Though saying that assumes the test is a result of incompetence and not deliberately made to find an excuse to remove children from anyone they've already decided is not fit to be a parent. I'm finding it real hard to see as incompetence, it feels like you'd have to go out of your way.
I just can't see how anyone would think a parent, or even a normal person, needs to know about some stairs in Rome. Why would anyone except Romans and tourists need to know? I don't even know their name, it's a landmark over a thousand miles away and it's stairs... which I just tried to looked up pictures of and all I got is "Spanish stairs", is it really those? They're just some old stairs, they don't even look all that exciting. Is there some big historical significance to Denmark or Europe? As far a I can tell skimming the wiki, they just replaced an annoying hill with stairs and it's not really any more exciting except for the building at the top. Might as well ask them to name one of the famous staircases in Japan, though some of those are far more interesting imo.
The problem is, of course, that they decide the benchmark for what counts as a capable parent. It's quite easy to design a test that a white college-educated native Danish-speaker can easily pass that is unduly difficult for someone who does not fall into those categories. It's possible to do this unintentionally, but I highly doubt that was the case here. The staircase example is one of the most patently absurd ones, but very often things like this on such tests are really shibboleths.
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