Moving out soon. Think out loud with me regarding saving money vs. quality of life.
Hello all! My lease is up mid-March of this year. For personal mental health reasons I would like to secure a move-in date of around mid-February and perhaps even earlier than that, because I'd like to have things finalized before my ex starts her own moving out process. This is the first time I'll be apartment hunting on my own, and while I have definitely talked to many friends and mentors regarding my options, I figured I wouldn't mind getting thoughts from folks here.
I have a few hard requirements for personal reasons: I would ideally not be too far from groceries (I have a car), be able to go for walks/runs without having to drive to a specific place, not too far away from the main airport here as I have to fly for work very very occasionally or when visiting family, and central HVAC. I have, generally, two options to choose from:
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The expensive option, 1500 base rent and estimated 300-400 for utilities/parking/etc. At this time I do not believe it possible or even worth looking for anything slightly cheaper than this - whether it's a studio or a 1bed, the cost is more or less the same in this area. And even if the location were less of a factor and I looked farther away from the main city / big hubs, at best we're looking at $100 cheaper and I don't think that is big enough savings given how inconvenient location is.
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The budget option, estimated 700-800 with utilities included, 3 housemates. A friend is currently sharing a house that his family owns with two other housemates. I've never met said housemates but they are personal friends of his. All housemates are male, I am female. I would be getting a single master bedroom, attached bathroom. At this time I do not consider the... eyebrow-raising-ness? of being the sole woman to be a problematic factor.
Some of the factors I'm considering, that probably isn't comprehensive because I'm new to all this:
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Living with housemates. I haven't had to share a house with so many people since my first year of college, which was 14 years ago. My ex did keep me honest over the last year of living together, and from a brief call with the friend who would be renting out the room, his housemates do keep to themselves, don't really use the kitchen, plenty of fridge space, etc.
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Living alone. I actually haven't "lived alone" since the last semester before I dropped out of college. My roommate at the time was taking a leave of absence and I had the studio to myself for three months. I feel neutral about this.
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Laundry? House has in unit laundry. No apartment I've looked at has in-unit laundry unless I add at least $200 on top of the base price.
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WFH and personal space. I do work remotely and for my entire WFH life, I have always had my personal PC setup, bed, and work setup in the same room. This has been difficult for me in the last two months while recovering from the breakup, and moving into a 1bed apartment would allow me to have a dedicated work setup away from bed since I personally value that higher than a nice living room space (no television, no problem). Or I could even fit that work setup into a small but still cozy living room space, who knows. However...
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MONEY. I've broken down all my fixed monthly costs, including any recurring annual subscriptions. I am estimating very, very high for absolutely everything, such as monthly grocery costs (400/mo, which is the highest that my ex and I split over the last 10 months. We're both very light eaters and "groceries" would include the occasional toiletries restock and such). Right now I am looking at taking home around $1300/mo living in my own apartment, vs. $2300/mo sharing the house.
- Furnishing a new apartment, vs... not. Ex and I split all costs 50/50 for everything BUT furniture, and she paid for most items such as the sofa, coffee table, TV console, dining room table, ie. she will be taking those items with her. I do not want a large sofa but cozy seating in a living room space is, well, not cheap. The only furniture I'd bring with me is a decent Ikea shelf cabinet thing, my two standing desks, a single bookshelf, a twin bed. I would not be acquiring additional furniture if I move into the single bedroom.
- Schooling costs. I don't know if I've gotten into this online degree program yet, won't know until probably April, and even if I do get in I am not sure if I will jump into it (though at this time I am leaning towards it just to have a guided path which I'm lacking right now with my career). This is an estimated 30k over the course of 2 years, or $625/mo. Not counting any potential textbooks.
- Lasik/PRK? I have pretty poor eyesight. I have always been afraid of pulling the trigger on this, but I would like to in the next few years.
- Current savings. I have a little over $20k in savings. I don't know anything about stocks, I have a 401k I never look at. My financial literacy boils down to "I use my credit card like a debit card" and my only current debt is a financed car, costs are factored into the numbers posted above.
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Mental health? Monthly therapy costs are factored into my numbers. So is a $150/mo cost of classes at a local muay thai gym (picked up recently for sake of both physical and mental health, joining a community, a regular activity to take me out of the apartment).
What considerations am I missing from the above? What would you go for? I mentioned I have not lived on my own for a very long time, and to be honest I don't have concrete long-term financial goals. Obviously property ownership is like... the American Dream and whatever... but frankly I am so very far from being able to realize such a goal that it just is not a factor when it comes to me saving money. I just don't want to look back at myself in 2027 and regret my finances. My family is in another part of the state and I can't rely on them for money or housing... well, I actually can, for housing, and save even more money, but I vastly prefer the climate where I am at now and my mental health will suffer far more living with family than with 3 housemates.
I really appreciate any thoughts! I know I have time, there is no rush, but I am also aware that distracting myself with this has been pretty helpful with, you know, not being too depressed about circumstances.
If I were in your situation, I would take the less expensive option of having housemates for a combination of social and economic reasons.
If you're in the process of breaking up, having other people around isn't the worst thing. They're a reason to stay on top of your household shit, they're opportunities to be low-effort social around the house, you won't be going from a situation where you've got other people around to a situation where you're all alone in your space. Maybe you're the sort of person who would like to be alone in your living space? If so, this is less relevant, but I find an empty house to be too quiet for my tastes.
Saving $1k a month is significant. If you can put that into investments consistently, in 30 years you'll have more than $1.2 million. Having the savings will help throughout your life. You can invest it in something that invests broadly across the world to avoid being too vulnerable to any one economy's insanity, but I'm not an investment advisor, especially not at this chaotic moment.
Even if you just keep saving without investing, you'll be almost doubling your takehome pay going for the place with housemates. That feels significant.
Laundry is a huge amount of time. The house with built-in laundry will save you 2-4 hours a week of sitting in a laundromat.
I feel like that flexibility will serve you better. If it isn't working you can always trade up, but having something less expensive to start with and trading up if you've got just huge piles of cash on hand and want something nicer is much nicer than finding that the more expensive place isn't going to work for you and needing to trade down.
Whichever way you choose to go, I hope this change brings with it good things, and that your next living situation is happy, stable, and secure.
For me, the deciding factor would be the roommates. I'll lead with saying I'm a man who has only stayed with other men or their girlfriends so I can't speak to what your dynamic would be like.
I've had a couple periods of time after living with parents where I ended up in a large shared house like that and it was honestly really great both times. I'm not the most social guy so having something always going on and kind of a built in group of friends was really cool and beneficial for me. Not to say it's always fun- having a mixed bag of people in one house means there's inevitably differences in what's acceptable in terms of cleanliness, drug use, politics, loudness, etc. This was never an insurmountable problem for me.
I would set up a day to go over there and meet everyone and feel out the vibe. Do you think you'd get along with these people? This is probably the "tidied" version of the house, can you live how it looks? I would also quiz the friend on if there's been any issues between roommates, people not paying or doing their fair share, loud late parties, etc. If that all checks out I'm team budget option!
Also, the $ difference is enough that if you stashed it away in some high yield savings or bonds each month and continue to grow your income you could be looking at getting into a starter home by the end of the decade. Don't give up on that dream!
Edit: There's a ton of assumptions there so let me qualify a bit and say that will also depend a lot on your expectations, area, and income. Some math is required.
Hey, the other answers provide some good questions to ask yourself to get to an answer, so I won't chime in there - I agree with them.
You mentioned financial literacy, and how you lack it. I think this is massively important for everyone to obtain, and it only gets more relevant the older you get. Fortunately, it's not hard to obtain. I'll recommend a book for you to read.
"The Millionaire Teacher" by Andrew Hallam. This will teach you how to invest your money. It is a short book. It is interesting. It will not tell you to "trust me, bro"; it will actually tell you (in a provable, convincing manner) why the methods contained within are to be more trusted than e.g. your bank or a "money manager" of sorts. The methods are simple, popular, low maintenance and proven - and you can check for yourself.
The TL;DR is invest your extra cash into index funds. Choose ~3. Personally (and you don't have to do this), I invest into 3 index funds: 1 for my country (Canada), 1 for the US, and one for the world. Index funds track an entire market, e.g. every publicly traded stock in the USA, or every company in the S&P 500. "Money managers" are measured against their ability to beat said market. Half beat the market, and half don't. However, money managers typically take a percentage or flat fee of your money as a fee. Skip all of that, and just do it yourself.
Whatever happens for you down the road, best of luck!
I'll second the index funds suggestion.
It's something that I wish I'd done sooner. I'd been kind of scared of stocks, thinking I'd need to worry about trying to pick the right ones, know when to invest in each, or sell each. But opening a Vanguard account, transferring some money from savings, and buying some shares of the Vanguard VOO (their S&P 500 index) every now and then has been pretty painless. And the fact that the lazy, hands-off, passive approach is the recommend one is all the better since it suits my style.
For someone with a 401(k) that they never look at, like OP, it's probably worth considering, since the approach is very similar (except that you can sell and withdraw at time with no real penalty, other than capital gains taxes).
Good advice, but picking three index funds at random is not a great idea. Since Vanguard was mentioned elsewhere and they are a pretty decent company, my recommendation is something like 40% VOO, 20% VXF, and 40% VXUS. Maybe even less VOO with the current distribution of the S&P 500.
Why mix VOO and VXF rather than just use VTI?
Control over the ratio, mostly.
Thanks for laying it all out so neatly! Roommates is always a bit of a quandary when it comes to personality and lifestyle matching. That said, I'd take the roommate option almost every time if it felt right. In addition to the financial, social and security benefits it can provide, living with people is just more (for better and otherwise) more interesting than living alone.
I've lived with numerous households of roommates, both in my home country and abroad, and so long as you get good vibes in the interview, I'd say it's worth taking the risk. If you're extroverted and want to learn more, I'd recommend meeting with all of the roommates for a first and perhaps second interview where you can ask about living styles, get to know them (and any partners that stay over) personally and express what you're looking for.
At worst, you move to a shared house where people keep to themselves, you can save money and take some time to imagine what the next stage of your life looks like. At best, this could be a great jumping off point for new friendships, redefining what you want out of a cohabitation situation and most of all, an opportunity to build financial security and go to school.
It's also a chance to get that LASIK eye procedure and have people around to take care of you when you're healing up.
Does your current place have in-unit laundry?
I have never lived anywhere without in-unit laundry since college, and I don’t think I could do it.
I would take the house with roommates on the in-unit laundry alone (with the cost savings, doubly so). If the difference you’re looking at is really around $1,000 per month, that savings is definitely worth it, especially since you won’t need to buy a bunch of furniture. Having your own bedroom and bathroom is a pretty good deal, so as long as you don’t completely dislike the other people in the house I think you’ll be OK.
However, I would highly, highly recommend taking at least $500 of that $1000 difference each month, and put it into a Money Market or high yield savings account at your bank - should be at least 2-3% APY. That way, you have money set aside for unseen expenses, or for helping you move out of the place with housemates if you truly don’t like it.
We do currently have in-unit laundry!
I will admit I also haven’t not had in-unit laundry since college. The apartments I’m looking at do have laundry facilities on premises though it will be around $5-6 per wash+dry cycle. It’s hard for me to really place a value on the in-unit because it’s been such a long time since I didn’t have it, and as a college student who didn’t regularly wash bedsheets (SORRY) I didn’t think too hard about it at the time. But also we had laundry units on the same floor so they were just down the hall… possibly very different from hauling things to a laundry facility that may be far from my unit… aaahhhh
edit: Noting both your and the other comments’ mention on investing the spare cash. I hear you, I have some reading up to do on getting started on that.
Honestly, I'd pick the house solely based on it having in-unit laundry, even if it weren't so much cheaper in other respects. The ability to just do a load of laundry when you need to should not be underestimated (especially when you work from home and can stick a load in while you're working).
Neither option sounds bad, in my view. I suppose it comes down to how you value having your own place versus the conveniences and cost savings of sharing the house. Is there room in the shared house's bedroom for your WFH desk? You may want privacy for your office hours.
If it were me, I'd probably meet the other housemates at least once and do a gut-check on how comfortable I feel around them. If that went well, I'd move into the shared house with the initial aim of saving money toward specific goals. (for example, LASIK, furnishing your own apartment, etc)
If, after that time (perhaps a year) you're enjoying the roommate situation, you could stay. If not, you'll be even better prepared to move into your own place.
I know it has been brought up a few times already, but not having the ability to do laundry within your home is rough. While many/most apartment complexes have some sort of semi-public laundry mat style facility, I would frequently carry my laundry baskets over there and find that it was entirely in use and I then I had to carry it all back. I can't imagine having to go through that in places with harsh winters.
Room mates can be very hit and miss, so I don't want to directly steer you one way or another on that, but if you're considering the shared place, DEFINITELY go meet these people first. If you get initial bad vibes, trust your gut.
you should meet the other dudes and take a look around at the cleanliness and find out if they have a structure for chores. you don’t want to end up being the mom out of their laziness or lack of planning.
I wouldn't consider living with men I don't know well unless I had zero other options, even friends of a friend. I'd instead seek out a queer group and see if folks there want to room if that's the route I'm going.
I've rented some dozen apartments and none had nothing for onsite laundry, they usually had coin operated machines in the basement or some such.
We just bought a house and doubled our square footage. Getting a new bed, couches, and rugs hurt, I didn't want to risk bed bugs in our new home, but I probably wouldn't be so strict in your position. Everything else we sought off Facebook marketplace and saved a pretty penny.
When I first moved to this city, I shared a house with four other people while working from home. Met them through a good friend, they consisted of her best friend, best friend's partner, and two of their friends. Some were inconsiderate of the fact I needed to work from home. Getting mad at me for using the spare room for an office bc they were using it as an office, getting off work at 3 and loudly playing Rock Band (drums ofc), that sort of thing. I ended up spending all my time in my tiny bedroom, barely big enough for my bed, personal PC, and work desk. This was awful for my mental health, about on par with drowning in alcoholism living alone during a bad time. They weren't bad folks, just too much of conflicting lifestyles in too small a space. Other posters have cited benefits of roommates that I've never had materialize outside living with my best friend or partner.
So YMMV, roommates may make more sense on paper financially, but for me, I'd view the roommate situation as a social/emotional/mental gamble vs the safe bet of living solo (and hopefully there is some sort of onsite laundry if not in unit?).
Another route to consider is, how flexible is the house situation? Would they be cool with you staying a couple months to build up a better savings cushion to furnish a place? It sounds like you've got enough savings to move, modestly furnish, and still have ~6 months emergency savings built up. That's what I'd build my savings off of -- ensuring I've got 6 months stuffed in a money market account yielding some 3-4% and anything else beyond that can go to index funds or saving for huge purchases.
You asked for considerations that you might have missed, so here’s a small one I didn’t see in your original post — do you have pots and pans, dishes and cutlery? Living solo you won’t need much, but you’ll need more than zero. If you’re heading into the sharehouse then they probably already have stuff but it would be worth asking if it’s communal or not.
All the sharehouses I’ve lived in for the past ~15 years, everyone was generous with their cookware etc and it was low stakes “grab whatever you need, I guess if something breaks then we’ll replace it”. But most recently, me and my long term partner added a housemate to the mix to help keep costs down, and he’s a bit more particular in his tastes for cookware/dishes/cutlery and has generally set the expectations that if I want to borrow his stuff, I ask first, rather than “every plate is in the drawer and who cares which is which” that I’ve had from previous sharehouse situations. It’s not a big deal at all, it’s just a small thing I had to adjust my assumptions about.
Personally, I would go for the more expensive option and ratchet down from there (e.g, the next year once the lease expires). Often, moving comes with transitions in life, and with other stuff going on, eliminating a huge potential source of stress is a big deal.
Are you getting a new job? Entering school? Those are rhetorical, but if your living situation is stressing you the hell out, you may perform poorly on said job, or academics, or whatever, and that'll also have a compounding effect on your finances anyway.
Once you're settled you can slowly ratchet down your living standards once you know what you're dealing with.
I'm struggling to see what racheting down is possible after a year - because generally, yes, worrying about living situation stress spilling over to work and (potential) school performance is currently the biggest draw for me regarding the more expensive option. I can live without the gym but it's a lot harder to make that case for some of the items I am considering to be fixed expenses, like the car (insufficient public transit). I also can't assume the room would still be available to me a year down the line, and personally feel a lot less comfortable subletting a room from a complete stranger in the future.
There's always be potential roommates. Maybe you make a new friend, or hear of another friend who's looking for one? 1 housemate in a flat is also different than 3.
And, if, in the end, nothing can be ratcheted down, is what it is. You'd get here one way or another, but if you cheap out it'll be a year of misery.
If you're not locked into a contract with the house, then go with the roommates. Worst case you can just leave whenever you want. I understand that sometimes comfort and (safety to an extent) take a back seat when money is needed. But it seems like you have a really good handle on yours.
Investing can be great if you manage it right. But if you're debt free, have a good credit score, steady income, retirement, and good savings, then you're doing better than most.
I lived with room mates once and hated it. I tend to be very clean and tidy and ended up picking up everyone’s slack. If I were in your shoes, as long as you are still earning some money, I’d pick my own place. It would also depend on job and career prospects: will you be earning more each year? Or the opposite: is your job not stable and may lose it? Then maybe the conservative choice of room mates and more savings is better. Lastly, hobbies. Out of the extra money left after paying rent, how much do you realistically need for fun, hobbies, etc? Personally when I lived alone I was pretty cheap on that front. All I did was play video games in my apartment and occasionally hang out with a friend or two. No expensive hobbies, restaurants, etc.
I'm fortunate that my job is pretty stable, and my raises have been better than the average (almost exactly 7% a year for three years). I know there is room for a much bigger jump with a title change but at minimum that would be a year or two out, no promises written in stone, etc.
I definitely don't need much for fun/hobbies... and that is purely because my past self has already purchased enough to last me a while (I do a bit of model kit assembly, painting, polymer clay figures). And of course, video games and I don't purchase full price ones often.
I hear you on the potential issue of not jiving with roommate lifestyles. From my brief visits to the house it seems like shared space tidiness isn't an issue since they all keep to their own rooms and don't cook outside of using the air fryer, which... works for me?
My cousins are probably the only one (outside of your comment) really trying to convince me to go for the more expensive place, if only to avoid possibly gambling on just what living with these guys will look like even after a few meetings/interviews :')
The room mate option sounds pretty good in your case, then. I’m biased and my experience is limited to college days room mates rather than responsible adults. It also sounds like kitchen cleanliness won’t be an issue, so that’s a big plus. Almost sounds like you could use it however you want if the air fryer is the only appliance that sees any use. As a side note, do they all just order food every day?! Isn’t that expensive? Irrelevant to the topic at hand, but makes me wonder! Haha.
Roommates are really hit or miss, but I would still take the lower cost option for your apartment. Then, you could get an office at a coworking space nearby to work from.
Living alone doesn’t necessarily get you extra living space, you pay for extra privacy. The savings from living with roommates could let you afford a private office in a shared office building which would give you way more space, extra privacy, and a second place to go depending on your mood.
There's a coworking space I've been using that work fortunately expensed for me, but with the understanding that it would not be a regular thing that they can cover. It's something like $30 a day (was previously going in once a week) or $200/mo for unlimited weekday visits. It's definitely something I've been considering when addressing potential issues with the smaller living space since I still come out very ahead when factoring in the cost of the space and mileage.