I'm on board for Pedro Pascal as Mister Fantastic alone. He has that nature that you just inherently trust in a person even when he has to do things that you don't like. I'm not personally a huge...
I'm on board for Pedro Pascal as Mister Fantastic alone. He has that nature that you just inherently trust in a person even when he has to do things that you don't like.
I'm not personally a huge fan of Fantastic Four stories, not that I've experienced to many of them, but from a filmic standpoint this trailer's pacing, cinematography and visual design are very refreshing. The only thing I'm not immediately delighted by is when they initially pull out of the 4:3 framing and image processing to show The Thing moving around. It strikes me as a little jarring just because everything felt a certain way before hand, then we're suddenly hit with the more traditional and modern GCI that honestly feels stale. It affects my willful suspension of disbelief. The rest of the clips they showed somehow felt perfectly fitting, though. So I don't know if that jarring feeling was all it took to get me to encompass the new look into the frame of reference, or if the rest was just better quality CG. This is the first trailer I have seen in maybe 6 years that made me remark on how far CGI has come, namely with fire on Johnny, so it truly felt impressive. I've been watching mostly HDR content lately which is easier to spot the discrepancies with, so hopefully it doesn't look worse in cinemas. The retro-futuristic costume and sets designs are really on point.
I don't know if the Presented in FantastiVision at the end is a throwaway or not, but I honestly hope the studio is onboard and actually making it something more visually consistent between their new movies. This looks like it will be enjoyable in a way for me that is similar to Werewolf by Night. Being first and foremost a compelling story, but delivering it in a film that is a love-letter to the way movies used to be filmed, edited and displayed.
Oddly, Pedro being in there turned me off of it. And the retro future vibe. I'm not super excited for this, but the cinema world doesn't revolve around me!
Oddly, Pedro being in there turned me off of it. And the retro future vibe. I'm not super excited for this, but the cinema world doesn't revolve around me!
I think the retro future is cool but I'm kinda confused.. Is this part of the mainline MCU? Shots of the city look like our world but that retro futurism is really throwing me in for a loop. And I...
I think the retro future is cool but I'm kinda confused.. Is this part of the mainline MCU? Shots of the city look like our world but that retro futurism is really throwing me in for a loop.
And I have to compare this to the Gunn's Superman movie. So similar vibrant and positive vibes. Interesting.
I'll go see it if it seems like it's fun, but I'm really tired of all this multiverse stuff. I would probably have more patience for it if they had bothered to finish the Kang storyline instead of...
I'll go see it if it seems like it's fun, but I'm really tired of all this multiverse stuff. I would probably have more patience for it if they had bothered to finish the Kang storyline instead of just dropping it. I understand that they couldn't continue with Jonathan Majors, but they could have hired another actor.
Good news, Avengers: Secret Wars will very likely be the end of multiverse plots! A small part of what was so silly about Kang was the fact that they showed that arena full of Kangs and they were...
Good news, Avengers: Secret Wars will very likely be the end of multiverse plots!
A small part of what was so silly about Kang was the fact that they showed that arena full of Kangs and they were all Johnathan Majors? Like we’ve established variants can look different, why paint yourself into a corner by implying all Kangs mostly look alike? Not that that prevented them from a recast, but just a silly aspect. Ultimately I’m sure some exec pulled the plug after the combination of Majors’ scandal and Quantumania being a dud. If Quantumania was even moderately good I think they would have recast
My going theory is that there was something in the contract that depictions of Kang, Nathaniel Richards, et al could only be played by Johnathan Majors with maybe an Iron Lad exception, so they...
My going theory is that there was something in the contract that depictions of Kang, Nathaniel Richards, et al could only be played by Johnathan Majors with maybe an Iron Lad exception, so they just decided to can the whole thing. If not, there have been talks about Doom being a “break glass in case of emergency” character since the MCU was losing steam anyway, it’s entirely possible that Kang could have been usurped by Doom independent of the actor’s issues or two things helped grease each other’s wheels.
I thought that the idea of Kang always being the same everywhere was OK, because it reinforced the idea that he was special, somehow above and beyond even the multiverse. I’ll admit that I’m not...
I thought that the idea of Kang always being the same everywhere was OK, because it reinforced the idea that he was special, somehow above and beyond even the multiverse.
I’ll admit that I’m not super familiar with him from the comics, though. I caught mentions of him when I was a kid without actually getting an idea of his overall story. So there may be something I’m missing.
But yeah, I’m sure you’re right that some executive decided that there were just too many problems with that plot thread, and pulled the plug.
I’m not the target demographic, but I enjoyed Quantumania, not least because the character design of the quantum realm denizens was absolutely charming.
That’s an interesting interpretation; it’s like a different interpretation of a Nexus being. I’ve only read a few Kang comics but I don’t recall anything that made him particularly special in the...
That’s an interesting interpretation; it’s like a different interpretation of a Nexus being. I’ve only read a few Kang comics but I don’t recall anything that made him particularly special in the multiverse other than the fact that he was so deeply involved in trying to control it
I did like the quantum denizens design too! They just felt a little too goofy and unimportant. I also weirdly liked MODOK because of how brave it was for them to even try.
Previously disclosed information about this movie Yes and no. It takes place in an alternate universe to what we know as the mainline MCU, but since the multiverse is in play, there’s probably...
Is this part of the mainline MCU?
Previously disclosed information about this movie
Yes and no. It takes place in an alternate universe to what we know as the mainline MCU, but since the multiverse is in play, there’s probably going to be some crossover involved in this and future films.
I noticed that we didn't see any of the stretchy effects for Reed. I wonder if the effect needs more polish than a trailer would allow for, or if there was another reason they don't want to show...
I noticed that we didn't see any of the stretchy effects for Reed. I wonder if the effect needs more polish than a trailer would allow for, or if there was another reason they don't want to show that off quite yet.
Man does the setting look really cool. Unfortunately, that may very well be the end of my list of positive take aways from this teaser. Maybe history will look more kindly upon Fan4stic?
Man does the setting look really cool. Unfortunately, that may very well be the end of my list of positive take aways from this teaser.
Maybe history will look more kindly upon Fan4stic?
Ehhhhhhh. If there’s any group that doesn’t need a full fledged origin it’s the fantastic four. If this isn’t just about them and their rocket then great but looks like it is. That aside it feels...
Ehhhhhhh. If there’s any group that doesn’t need a full fledged origin it’s the fantastic four. If this isn’t just about them and their rocket then great but looks like it is.
That aside it feels awkward? I can’t put my finger on it but the dialogue just isn’t clicking for me.
It doesn't seem to be an origin story, they do show Galactus in the trailer, so I assume he is in some way the villain, and he's not usually an origin story villain for them. Hell, I'd love to...
It doesn't seem to be an origin story, they do show Galactus in the trailer, so I assume he is in some way the villain, and he's not usually an origin story villain for them. Hell, I'd love to just see a short 5 or 10 minutes "history of the Fantastic Four" video that they watch on a screen in some sort of museum in the movie. It works really well for that sort of exposition in movies like Jurassic Park. It avoids that problem when you suddenly just have a depressed superman and the audience can't connect with him emotionally.
It's not just you, and it's not just this one. Something must have broken for me in the superhero genre, because I despite seeing a bunch of these films in theatre (with friends, even) the last...
That aside it feels awkward?
It's not just you, and it's not just this one. Something must have broken for me in the superhero genre, because I despite seeing a bunch of these films in theatre (with friends, even) the last few years they fall completely flat for me. New Venom, Deadpool+Wolverine, Quantamania, Flash, The Marvels, Justice League, Shang-Chi, were all unbearably cringe throughout. In each I just could not wait for the film to be over so I could be doing anything else. Had I not been with my friends for them (we visit the theatre regularly as a group) I probably would have walked out. Across the Spiderverse was fun but even then I felt it was trying too hard compared to the first one. At least Endgame had the spectacle going for it, with the audience captivated and reacting.
I suppose I'm the sucker for continuing to feed my bills into the machine...
I liked Shang-Chi, but mostly for the first two acts. The ending was just okay, IMO. But the first act in particular has some really good hong-kong style martial arts set-pieces that I really enjoyed.
I liked Shang-Chi, but mostly for the first two acts. The ending was just okay, IMO. But the first act in particular has some really good hong-kong style martial arts set-pieces that I really enjoyed.
It's not you. I've seen all of the MCU films. The MCU has lost the spark since Endgame. I'd argue that most of that spark was Favreau and then the Russos and their paired writers. Maybe the next 2...
It's not you. I've seen all of the MCU films.
The MCU has lost the spark since Endgame. I'd argue that most of that spark was Favreau and then the Russos and their paired writers.
Maybe the next 2 Avengers films will get it right.
SPOILER: Widely announced but clearly not everyone knows this.
With Doom involved, I expect the FF will figure hugely.
FWIW, I'm optimistic, from the trailer. I also noticed the absence of the Silver Surfer (my personal favorite character in the Marvel Universe).
SPOILER about the above
This time, though, the Surfer is alleged to be Shalla Bal instead of Noren Radd. I'm psyched for this!!!!
I’m really wondering if this Reed and Sue have Valeria and Franklin at this point? I initially thought that was what “First Steps” was implying, but now I’m not certain. I’m also wondering if...
I’m really wondering if this Reed and Sue have Valeria and Franklin at this point? I initially thought that was what “First Steps” was implying, but now I’m not certain.
I’m also wondering if we’ll get Doom in this universe. It seems silly not to, but who knows.
About that Avengers: Doomsday And Downey announced as Doom. Also, I suspect Franklin and Valeria either may not appear or will be later. Important to remember that in Marvel canon, the MCU is...
About that
Avengers: Doomsday
And Downey announced as Doom.
Also, I suspect Franklin and Valeria either may not appear or will be later. Important to remember that in Marvel canon, the MCU is separate from Earth-616 (the "main" universe).
Which makes it super frustrating that they decided to call the MCU main universe Earth-616. To me this implies that the comics and the movies must take place in different multiverses, so any...
Important to remember that in Marvel canon, the MCU is separate from Earth-616 (the "main" universe).
Which makes it super frustrating that they decided to call the MCU main universe Earth-616. To me this implies that the comics and the movies must take place in different multiverses, so any crossovers that may occur would only be canon to one or another (i.e. the comics must have their own MCU-universe and the movies must have a universe that stands in for the comics' 616).
Actually I just convinced myself that this was a good move on their part, because stuff like the comics' Secret Wars event from 2015 that collapsed the entire multiverse would otherwise necessarily have to affect the MCU, which, while it would be cool, is definitely not the best way to retain viewership.
It complicates things that the Spiderverse never got the memo and calls out the biggest multiverse disaster involving the Spider-Man and Doc Strange on Earth-19999, referencing the ending of No...
It complicates things that the Spiderverse never got the memo and calls out the biggest multiverse disaster involving the Spider-Man and Doc Strange on Earth-19999, referencing the ending of No Way Home. I go with the MCU having a different numbering scale than everywhere else because that's both the case out of universe and makes sense with the whole Sacred Timeline stuff from Loki complicating their understanding of the multiverse. That probably also explains why it wasn't affected by Secret Wars 2015, anything more involved would make my head hurt.
We don’t. It’s just that they haven’t said he is and implied that he’s going to be introduced in Avengers Doomsday. I’m hoping they’re just trying to play it subtle. I want to see him introduced...
We don’t. It’s just that they haven’t said he is and implied that he’s going to be introduced in Avengers Doomsday. I’m hoping they’re just trying to play it subtle. I want to see him introduced before he’s a main antagonist
I'm on board for Pedro Pascal as Mister Fantastic alone. He has that nature that you just inherently trust in a person even when he has to do things that you don't like.
I'm not personally a huge fan of Fantastic Four stories, not that I've experienced to many of them, but from a filmic standpoint this trailer's pacing, cinematography and visual design are very refreshing. The only thing I'm not immediately delighted by is when they initially pull out of the 4:3 framing and image processing to show The Thing moving around. It strikes me as a little jarring just because everything felt a certain way before hand, then we're suddenly hit with the more traditional and modern GCI that honestly feels stale. It affects my willful suspension of disbelief. The rest of the clips they showed somehow felt perfectly fitting, though. So I don't know if that jarring feeling was all it took to get me to encompass the new look into the frame of reference, or if the rest was just better quality CG. This is the first trailer I have seen in maybe 6 years that made me remark on how far CGI has come, namely with fire on Johnny, so it truly felt impressive. I've been watching mostly HDR content lately which is easier to spot the discrepancies with, so hopefully it doesn't look worse in cinemas. The retro-futuristic costume and sets designs are really on point.
I don't know if the Presented in FantastiVision at the end is a throwaway or not, but I honestly hope the studio is onboard and actually making it something more visually consistent between their new movies. This looks like it will be enjoyable in a way for me that is similar to Werewolf by Night. Being first and foremost a compelling story, but delivering it in a film that is a love-letter to the way movies used to be filmed, edited and displayed.
Oddly, Pedro being in there turned me off of it. And the retro future vibe. I'm not super excited for this, but the cinema world doesn't revolve around me!
I think the retro future is cool but I'm kinda confused.. Is this part of the mainline MCU? Shots of the city look like our world but that retro futurism is really throwing me in for a loop.
And I have to compare this to the Gunn's Superman movie. So similar vibrant and positive vibes. Interesting.
Yes but it will take place outside of the 616 universe. I suspect the ending probably will involve some hint of how they end up in 616.
I'll go see it if it seems like it's fun, but I'm really tired of all this multiverse stuff. I would probably have more patience for it if they had bothered to finish the Kang storyline instead of just dropping it. I understand that they couldn't continue with Jonathan Majors, but they could have hired another actor.
Good news, Avengers: Secret Wars will very likely be the end of multiverse plots!
A small part of what was so silly about Kang was the fact that they showed that arena full of Kangs and they were all Johnathan Majors? Like we’ve established variants can look different, why paint yourself into a corner by implying all Kangs mostly look alike? Not that that prevented them from a recast, but just a silly aspect. Ultimately I’m sure some exec pulled the plug after the combination of Majors’ scandal and Quantumania being a dud. If Quantumania was even moderately good I think they would have recast
My going theory is that there was something in the contract that depictions of Kang, Nathaniel Richards, et al could only be played by Johnathan Majors with maybe an Iron Lad exception, so they just decided to can the whole thing. If not, there have been talks about Doom being a “break glass in case of emergency” character since the MCU was losing steam anyway, it’s entirely possible that Kang could have been usurped by Doom independent of the actor’s issues or two things helped grease each other’s wheels.
I thought that the idea of Kang always being the same everywhere was OK, because it reinforced the idea that he was special, somehow above and beyond even the multiverse.
I’ll admit that I’m not super familiar with him from the comics, though. I caught mentions of him when I was a kid without actually getting an idea of his overall story. So there may be something I’m missing.
But yeah, I’m sure you’re right that some executive decided that there were just too many problems with that plot thread, and pulled the plug.
I’m not the target demographic, but I enjoyed Quantumania, not least because the character design of the quantum realm denizens was absolutely charming.
That’s an interesting interpretation; it’s like a different interpretation of a Nexus being. I’ve only read a few Kang comics but I don’t recall anything that made him particularly special in the multiverse other than the fact that he was so deeply involved in trying to control it
I did like the quantum denizens design too! They just felt a little too goofy and unimportant. I also weirdly liked MODOK because of how brave it was for them to even try.
Previously disclosed information about this movie
Yes and no. It takes place in an alternate universe to what we know as the mainline MCU, but since the multiverse is in play, there’s probably going to be some crossover involved in this and future films.
I noticed that we didn't see any of the stretchy effects for Reed. I wonder if the effect needs more polish than a trailer would allow for, or if there was another reason they don't want to show that off quite yet.
Man does the setting look really cool. Unfortunately, that may very well be the end of my list of positive take aways from this teaser.
Maybe history will look more kindly upon Fan4stic?
Ehhhhhhh. If there’s any group that doesn’t need a full fledged origin it’s the fantastic four. If this isn’t just about them and their rocket then great but looks like it is.
That aside it feels awkward? I can’t put my finger on it but the dialogue just isn’t clicking for me.
It doesn't seem to be an origin story, they do show Galactus in the trailer, so I assume he is in some way the villain, and he's not usually an origin story villain for them. Hell, I'd love to just see a short 5 or 10 minutes "history of the Fantastic Four" video that they watch on a screen in some sort of museum in the movie. It works really well for that sort of exposition in movies like Jurassic Park. It avoids that problem when you suddenly just have a depressed superman and the audience can't connect with him emotionally.
It's not just you, and it's not just this one. Something must have broken for me in the superhero genre, because I despite seeing a bunch of these films in theatre (with friends, even) the last few years they fall completely flat for me. New Venom, Deadpool+Wolverine, Quantamania, Flash, The Marvels, Justice League, Shang-Chi, were all unbearably cringe throughout. In each I just could not wait for the film to be over so I could be doing anything else. Had I not been with my friends for them (we visit the theatre regularly as a group) I probably would have walked out. Across the Spiderverse was fun but even then I felt it was trying too hard compared to the first one. At least Endgame had the spectacle going for it, with the audience captivated and reacting.
I suppose I'm the sucker for continuing to feed my bills into the machine...
I liked Shang-Chi, but mostly for the first two acts. The ending was just okay, IMO. But the first act in particular has some really good hong-kong style martial arts set-pieces that I really enjoyed.
It's not you. I've seen all of the MCU films.
The MCU has lost the spark since Endgame. I'd argue that most of that spark was Favreau and then the Russos and their paired writers.
Maybe the next 2 Avengers films will get it right.
SPOILER: Widely announced but clearly not everyone knows this.
With Doom involved, I expect the FF will figure hugely.
FWIW, I'm optimistic, from the trailer. I also noticed the absence of the Silver Surfer (my personal favorite character in the Marvel Universe).
SPOILER about the above
This time, though, the Surfer is alleged to be Shalla Bal instead of Noren Radd. I'm psyched for this!!!!
I’m really wondering if this Reed and Sue have Valeria and Franklin at this point? I initially thought that was what “First Steps” was implying, but now I’m not certain.
I’m also wondering if we’ll get Doom in this universe. It seems silly not to, but who knows.
About that
Avengers: Doomsday
And Downey announced as Doom.
Also, I suspect Franklin and Valeria either may not appear or will be later. Important to remember that in Marvel canon, the MCU is separate from Earth-616 (the "main" universe).
Which makes it super frustrating that they decided to call the MCU main universe Earth-616. To me this implies that the comics and the movies must take place in different multiverses, so any crossovers that may occur would only be canon to one or another (i.e. the comics must have their own MCU-universe and the movies must have a universe that stands in for the comics' 616).
Actually I just convinced myself that this was a good move on their part, because stuff like the comics' Secret Wars event from 2015 that collapsed the entire multiverse would otherwise necessarily have to affect the MCU, which, while it would be cool, is definitely not the best way to retain viewership.
It complicates things that the Spiderverse never got the memo and calls out the biggest multiverse disaster involving the Spider-Man and Doc Strange on Earth-19999, referencing the ending of No Way Home. I go with the MCU having a different numbering scale than everywhere else because that's both the case out of universe and makes sense with the whole Sacred Timeline stuff from Loki complicating their understanding of the multiverse. That probably also explains why it wasn't affected by Secret Wars 2015, anything more involved would make my head hurt.
Exactly. I'm glad they're separate. Besides, a lot of the comic stories would translate for crap to the big screen. The separation is better.
I know, but waiting until Doomsday to reveal him separate from F4 seems lame. At least give us a non-Downey variant?
How do you know he's not in F4?
We don’t. It’s just that they haven’t said he is and implied that he’s going to be introduced in Avengers Doomsday. I’m hoping they’re just trying to play it subtle. I want to see him introduced before he’s a main antagonist