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  1. [9]
    nothis
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    Weird emotions: Matrix 2 & 3 were crap. A lot of famous directors returning to their iconic franchises resulted in disaster (George Lucas and the Star Wars prequels, Stephen Spielberg and Indy 4,...

    Weird emotions:

    • Matrix 2 & 3 were crap.
    • A lot of famous directors returning to their iconic franchises resulted in disaster (George Lucas and the Star Wars prequels, Stephen Spielberg and Indy 4, Ridley Scott and his weird new Alien stuff)
    • Some worked, though! Mad Max: Fury Road is easily the best action movie in decades and arguably the best Mad Max movie. Blade Runner 2049 rocked (different director, though).
    • Maybe, with Matrix 2 & 3 out of the way, we can go back to something good? I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but I like some of the new Star Wars stuff, for example (The Mandalorian, The Last Jedi).
    • I like that the trailer looks "different"/"modern". Don't know how else to say it. Some 90s retro feel would have possibly ended up tacky. I also like seeing Keanu Reeves with a rubber ducky on his head. I mean, there's unexpected stuff in here, at least, it's not generic "Mr Anderson!" shit, it tries something new.

    This could actually be fun but I wonder if anyone will care about it 5 years from now. I have doubts.

    14 votes
    1. [7]
      NoblePath
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      Just for the record, I like 2 almost as much as 1, and thought the full story wrap up in 3 was good although, 3 as a movie not so good. This trailer is very promising.

      Just for the record, I like 2 almost as much as 1, and thought the full story wrap up in 3 was good although, 3 as a movie not so good.

      This trailer is very promising.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        Fiachra
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        There is a fan cut that combines 2 and 3 into a single movie. I haven't seen it myself, but I hear it is a better experience.

        There is a fan cut that combines 2 and 3 into a single movie. I haven't seen it myself, but I hear it is a better experience.

        6 votes
        1. nothis
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          I might actually need to track this down, lol. Fan cuts are a weakness of mine.

          I might actually need to track this down, lol. Fan cuts are a weakness of mine.

          4 votes
      2. [3]
        nothis
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        I'm quite superficial with the Matrix movies: The less cave shit, the better. The third movie was almost entirely mech fights in caves. Two already had too much of it.

        I'm quite superficial with the Matrix movies: The less cave shit, the better. The third movie was almost entirely mech fights in caves. Two already had too much of it.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          balooga
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          I'm with you on the caves, but it was all the grandiloquent nonsense speeches that really ruined 2 and 3 for me. (The aweome action sequence on the freeway in Reloaded almost was enough to...

          I'm with you on the caves, but it was all the grandiloquent nonsense speeches that really ruined 2 and 3 for me. (The aweome action sequence on the freeway in Reloaded almost was enough to overcome that problem, and is the only reason why I still kinda like that movie, compared to Revolutions).

          5 votes
          1. nothis
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            I guess "grandiloquent" is my word of the day. Yea, the dialogue could get awful as well.

            I guess "grandiloquent" is my word of the day. Yea, the dialogue could get awful as well.

            2 votes
      3. adi
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        I believe all 3 of them were great!

        I believe all 3 of them were great!

        3 votes
    2. elcuello
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      This is actually a very interesting point when I think about all the reboots the last 10-15 years. This is were almost all reboots fail but are (ironical) build upon. Remembrance.

      This could actually be fun but I wonder if anyone will care about it 5 years from now. I have doubts.

      This is actually a very interesting point when I think about all the reboots the last 10-15 years. This is were almost all reboots fail but are (ironical) build upon. Remembrance.

      2 votes
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      vord
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      Before knowing this new movie was in the works (like 4 days ago), I was just thinking about how The Matrix could use a bit of a modern refresher. Some of the choices have aged poorly, like...

      Before knowing this new movie was in the works (like 4 days ago), I was just thinking about how The Matrix could use a bit of a modern refresher. Some of the choices have aged poorly, like payphones with flip phones being state of the art. Not to mention how the somewhat revolutionary film contributions (read: bullet time) have been engrained in other movies/games in better ways since which makes the original look dated.

      The film itself is over 20 years old, and not quite as much of a cultural icon as Star Wars, which means lots of Gen Z and younger Millenials might not have seen it at all. How many of us older folks were watching PG-13/R films which were 20+ years old when we turned 15? The deluge of even more content these days gives even less reason to look back on older films that aged poorly.

      But The Matrix served as an easy introduction to some of the philosophical questions that are very relevant to some problems that are increasingly relevant. Like VR escapism. AI algorithms making too many important decisions. Authoritarianism. Energy/Climate crisis. The concepts explored in the first film would be a great benefit to the audiences of today whom might not have watched the original.

      Sadly, I suspect far more effort and time will be expended on the action scenes like the second two films did.

      So if they do pull off the 'Force Awakens equivalent,' I won't be enirely disappointed. Pure fan service will be a bit disappointing, especially if the original cast dominates the screentime. But if it's a grittier remake with fresh faces while still giving a fair bit of screentime to quality dialog, I think the world might be a touch better for it.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        eladnarra
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        It's been a while since I watched the movies, but wasn't the idea that the machines deliberately made a late-1990s world? Flip phones were normal tech at the time, so I don't feel like they age...

        Some of the choices have aged poorly, like payphones with flip phones being state of the art.

        It's been a while since I watched the movies, but wasn't the idea that the machines deliberately made a late-1990s world? Flip phones were normal tech at the time, so I don't feel like they age the films.

        13 votes
        1. vord
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          I'd say yes to a degree. But it's not just about the universe consistency, but how the audience connects to that universe. 80's made sense for present in Back to the Future, because the audience...

          I'd say yes to a degree. But it's not just about the universe consistency, but how the audience connects to that universe.

          80's made sense for present in Back to the Future, because the audience could relate to the present day.

          90's made sense for The Matrix for the same reason. I'd expect the new film to have the virtual world set in something like 2015.

          Numerous sitcoms rely on comedy and conflict resuling from lack of information transfer. And modern audiences don't really get how that was a tangible problem because we almost all have portable computers we carry everywhere.

          3 votes
    2. [4]
      dubteedub
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      I wonder if the "wrongness" of Yahya's character is because he is either a reincarnation of Morpheus or if he is actually a machine simulation of some type.

      I wonder if the "wrongness" of Yahya's character is because he is either a reincarnation of Morpheus or if he is actually a machine simulation of some type.

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        nothis
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        I did a quick search whether anyone knows why Laurence Fishburne isn't coming back. Apparently, there's no easy answer. He said he would have returned, but wasn't asked! It doesn't look like the...

        I did a quick search whether anyone knows why Laurence Fishburne isn't coming back. Apparently, there's no easy answer. He said he would have returned, but wasn't asked! It doesn't look like the age is a problem (as both Reeves and Moss return). I haven't heard of any backstage beef between the directors and Fishburne and I don't think he's been canceled or any controversy like that.

        So the theory is that, maybe, because Morpheus actually still has a physical body by the end of the original trilogy (it's been ages, no idea what that even meant in context of the movies) while Neo/Trinity do not, they're no longer part of the same Matrix. But why cast an actor who almost looks like Morpheus to play a character who acts and talks exactly like Morpheus? It doesn't seem clean, concept-wise and it's almost like there's some other, personal drama going on that we don't know about. It's kinda weird and ruins the feel of the trailer for me.

        4 votes
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          dubteedub
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          Another issue that is potentially relevant is that there was a Matrix MMO, Matrix Online, which is still considered canon. And spoilers for a 2005 game, but in it Morpheus does die. More details...

          Another issue that is potentially relevant is that there was a Matrix MMO, Matrix Online, which is still considered canon. And spoilers for a 2005 game, but in it Morpheus does die.

          More details here - I’m Sorry To Say Laurence Fishburne Died In The 2005 Matrix MMORPG

          4 votes
          1. Fiachra
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            I've been hearing that a lot, but honestly I doubt they would let a relatively obscure (compared to the films) game from 15 years ago get in the way of potential Hollywood megabucks.

            I've been hearing that a lot, but honestly I doubt they would let a relatively obscure (compared to the films) game from 15 years ago get in the way of potential Hollywood megabucks.

            8 votes
  3. Happy_Shredder
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    I'll watch it, but I can't shake how unnecessary this feels. It might be ok, but just feels like more lazy nostalgia bait out of Hollywood. I actually really enjoy 2&3; you have to accept there's...

    I'll watch it, but I can't shake how unnecessary this feels. It might be ok, but just feels like more lazy nostalgia bait out of Hollywood.

    I actually really enjoy 2&3; you have to accept there's no way to simultaneously duplicate 1 and what made it good, while also continuing and finishing the story. Plus I'm firmly in "the real world is another matrix" camp.

    6 votes
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    EgoEimi
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    I like how Neo gets to be played by Keanu while the new Trinity-like female protagonist gets swapped for a younger hotter model. (I don’t actually like it.)

    I like how Neo gets to be played by Keanu while the new Trinity-like female protagonist gets swapped for a younger hotter model.

    (I don’t actually like it.)

    4 votes
    1. balooga
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      Is that really fair though? Carrie-Anne Moss is here, as Trinity, and kicking ass. There's a new female character but she doesn't appear to be "swapping" with anyone. I mean, I get that what...

      Is that really fair though? Carrie-Anne Moss is here, as Trinity, and kicking ass. There's a new female character but she doesn't appear to be "swapping" with anyone.

      I mean, I get that what you're describing is a huge endemic problem in Hollywood, and I totally agree. I just don't see it here, and I think Lana Wachowski deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to equity and representation.

      12 votes
  5. deknalis
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    Can't wait. Not the best trailer but I trust Lana Wachowski enough to not Force Awakens this and just retread the same ground, given the Wachowskis have a track record of being some of the most...

    Can't wait. Not the best trailer but I trust Lana Wachowski enough to not Force Awakens this and just retread the same ground, given the Wachowskis have a track record of being some of the most unique and wild directors around, certainly in the tent pole movie space.

    Also Reloaded is the best Matrix movie. Why are you booing me? I'm right.

    4 votes
  6. Muffin
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    I haven't been keeping up with this at all so the returning characters were a nice surprise. I wasn't expecting much after the last two but now I'm interested.

    I haven't been keeping up with this at all so the returning characters were a nice surprise. I wasn't expecting much after the last two but now I'm interested.

    3 votes
  7. Eric_the_Cerise
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    It's funny/weird how, this trailer has been out for all of 2 days now, and already there are a thousand "deeper-meaning" youtube analysis videos out there, trying to explain every single frame of...

    It's funny/weird how, this trailer has been out for all of 2 days now, and already there are a thousand "deeper-meaning" youtube analysis videos out there, trying to explain every single frame of the damn thing, connecting and correlating everything to every last little bit of symbolism in the original trilogy. As if Lana was going to give away the entire story of the new film in the very first 90-second teaser, if only people look close enough.

    3 votes
  8. Eric_the_Cerise
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    After all these years, they're finally making a second Matrix film. Exciting times.

    After all these years, they're finally making a second Matrix film. Exciting times.

    3 votes
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    skyfaller
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    Here's what's not clear to me: Do I need to watch 2 and 3 before watching this movie? (I didn't see 3 after being disappointed with 2.) Is this some sort of reboot or continuity shift, like how...

    Here's what's not clear to me: Do I need to watch 2 and 3 before watching this movie? (I didn't see 3 after being disappointed with 2.) Is this some sort of reboot or continuity shift, like how some Terminator properties ignore Terminator 3?

    Neo seems to be lost in the Matrix again, with this talking to a psychologist and having to take the red pill again... how did this happen? He's known about the Matrix since early in the first movie. Did his memory get wiped? I don't understand what the situation is supposed to be at the beginning of the new movie.

    1 vote
    1. PetitPrince
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      Having seen all the movies, this seems to be a plausible sequel following the events of 3.

      Having seen all the movies, this seems to be a plausible sequel following the events of 3.

      4 votes