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Megathread for news/updates/discussion of Russian invasion of Ukraine - February 26-27

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  1. Adys
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    I'm sorry, this is going to be a bit personal, but I need to vent. My SO's family is still safe so far. But she has gotten 1 hr of sleep a day for the past 3 days. She's staying up every night,...

    I'm sorry, this is going to be a bit personal, but I need to vent.

    My SO's family is still safe so far. But she has gotten 1 hr of sleep a day for the past 3 days. She's staying up every night, watching out for air raid alerts (edit: Like this one), calling her mom the moment there is an alert because her mom doesn't have Telegram.

    Her sister is still on the way to the Polish border. She is out of Kyiv now thank fuck. I have a bag packed with clothes and 1 week provisions and a friend ready to drive with me there in case she needs to be picked up.

    A friend of mine today started giving me some pro-putin rhetoric and got a gigantic slap and across the face with the gentlest of "shut the fuck up"s i could muster.

    Another friend of mine is part of a group of first responders in Brussels and his unit is doing a roll call to see who is willing to join a special unit in Ukraine. He was hesitant. I've convinced him to accept.

    I feel fucking useless right now and it's destroying me. I've joined a few donation matches on Twitter, and I'm trying to distract myself with some non-UA stuff, but it's very difficult.

    32 votes
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    Adys
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    Sorry for all the top level comments. More might be coming. One ex girlfriend I talked to the day of the attack truly believes this is going to lead to Putin's downfall. I couldn't be as...

    Sorry for all the top level comments. More might be coming.

    One ex girlfriend I talked to the day of the attack truly believes this is going to lead to Putin's downfall. I couldn't be as optimistic, and I didn't believe it at the time. There is a glimmer of hope and I'm starting to think I may have been wrong.

    Russia is getting fallout from the entire world. Much, much harder than anticipated. It's now becoming obvious that Putin was relying on people not caring. On Ukraine being seen as a third world country not worth paying attention to. On Ukrainians surrendering quickly.

    Historic miscalculation sums it up nicely. And with Russia being such a huge player in the internet, could this be the beginning of the end of the disinformation wars?

    Obviously fake news and what not will always be around. But it's no secret that SO MUCH of the world's current ills originate in some way from Russia sowing chaos, and doing so very efficiently.
    Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings on the rest of the world, but is it possible everybody's fucking fed up with that russian troll shit? Ukraine may be a spark that lit a fire under their asses.

    My god. I hope she's right. I'm starting to think she could be. I want to think she could be. I want to believe in this huge silver lining to such a shit situation.

    22 votes
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      Adys
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      I live in Brussels, as some people here know. Living here is the European version of living in Washington DC: you're surrounded by people who work in or around politics. Though I imagine Brussels...

      I live in Brussels, as some people here know. Living here is the European version of living in Washington DC: you're surrounded by people who work in or around politics. Though I imagine Brussels is more varied in that regard.

      Anyway, I have a lot of friends in what we locally call "the EU bubble". Brussels is somewhere I found a home because I always considered myself not French but "European".

      And here the growing sentiment is that Europe is under attack. It wasn't immediate, partly because of some countries' lackluster government reactions, but now it's becoming much more prevalent. I can attest to it. Ukraine may not be my home, but it is part of it.

      And after this week's events, I feel renewed trust in Europe. I don't know if there are Americans around who are willing to give their point of view on this; here, you are told about the EU being the unifying force of good and peace after the second World War. But this was such a long time ago. Most people who fought in it have died of old age, very few can remember it anymore. It feels distant, abstract. Trust in the EU institutions has been faltering, moreso since the UK started talking about Brexit.

      We all were expecting the EU to have a mild, disapproving reaction, by fear of upsetting the eastern neighbour. We are so used to the EU being "all talk". I'm very pro-EU but even I didn't think it would go beyond stern words and mild sanctions.

      WEAPONS! Holy shit folks, we sent WEAPONS. And not just once! We sent more, and more, and more. And it's just the first days! Look at this, Belgium had sent a bunch of weapons, and it just decided to send more because why not!

      I know this is not completely selfless. The EU would much rather have this war happen on Ukrainian soil than further west. And I think we all do, because frankly, we've all seen how incredibly badass Ukrainians are.

      Ukraine will prevail. We will win, and we will never forget the day our Ukrainian siblings defended Europe. We will welcome them into the Union. Слава Україні!

      14 votes
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        cfabbro
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        Not just "weapons" in the typical, small-arms + ammunition sense either, shit tons of modern, handheld anti-tank missiles which have clearly been making a huge difference based on all the...

        WEAPONS! Holy shit folks, we sent WEAPONS

        Not just "weapons" in the typical, small-arms + ammunition sense either, shit tons of modern, handheld anti-tank missiles which have clearly been making a huge difference based on all the on-the-ground footage I have been seeing of destroyed Russian tanks and mechanized infantry convoys. And apparently the EU supplying Fighter Jets to Ukraine is on the table now too which would help them continue to maintain air superiority over the country as well, which is something that has already cost Russia dearly (see: 2x IL-76 transport planes confirmed shot down, with unconfirmed claims of 3 more being shot down).

        4 votes
        1. skybrian
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          The US has been arming Ukraine for some time. Trump's first impeachment was about holding up military aid to Ukraine. He called Zelenskyy (yep, same guy) and wanted him to find dirt on Hunter...

          The US has been arming Ukraine for some time.

          Trump's first impeachment was about holding up military aid to Ukraine. He called Zelenskyy (yep, same guy) and wanted him to find dirt on Hunter Biden. When the phone call became public, the holdup ended.

          Here's a good Washington Post article about the short history of US military aid to Ukraine. It talks a bit about what other countries are doing too.

          The U.S. has been rushing to arm Ukraine, but for years it stalled on providing weapons

          Man-portable antitank and anti-aircraft missiles seem like appropriate weapons for the situation, since they require little in the way of logistics. Looking further back, the US supplied Stinger missiles to the Afghan mujahideen and they were used very effectively against the Soviets.

          9 votes
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          vektor
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          The problem with that is that the amount of training needed for big arms (jets, tanks, big anti-air missiles) is prohibitive for the time we have. We basically can't train Ukrainian troops to use...

          The problem with that is that the amount of training needed for big arms (jets, tanks, big anti-air missiles) is prohibitive for the time we have. We basically can't train Ukrainian troops to use them, so we either have to find ex-soviet materiel that they are already familiar with (which is likely what those jets talked about now are), send personnel along with it (escalation potential) or find arms that have a one-page manual (ATGMs, MANPADS) like we are doing now. Which is to say, our potential to deliver effective military aid is limited, and we are fast approaching the boundaries of what we can do without allowing trained western active-duty military personnel to form international brigades.

          Still, great stuff. How many ex-soviet jets do we have around that the Ukrainians also have?

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          1. cfabbro
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            From the article I linked: No numbers though, unfortunately.

            From the article I linked:

            Mr. Borrell said that Mr. Kuleba had requested planes that Ukrainian Air Force pilots can fly. Ukraine's jet fighters are Soviet-built MiG and Sukhoi models.

            Some current EU members that were once part of the USSR-led Warsaw Pact still fly such planes or have old ones parked.

            No numbers though, unfortunately.

            4 votes
    2. sron
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      I was reading this Twitter thread by a Politico writer born in Ukraine that someone posted on yesterday’s thread. She says that, like Chernobyl raised doubt in the Soviet leadership, this war may...

      I was reading this Twitter thread by a Politico writer born in Ukraine that someone posted on yesterday’s thread. She says that, like Chernobyl raised doubt in the Soviet leadership, this war may do the same for Putin’s regime, and Russians might question what he says a bit more than the state-run news would like them to. I hope she is right, and I hope your family and everyone else over there stays safe.

      I know hope and wishes mean little right now, but looking at this from afar it is the least I can do. Stay well.

      8 votes
    3. Akir
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      I am as insulated as any other American about most things outside of the continent, but my impression of Ukraine has never been negative. The internet has made the world a much smaller place and...

      I am as insulated as any other American about most things outside of the continent, but my impression of Ukraine has never been negative. The internet has made the world a much smaller place and Ukrainian people have made plenty of contact with the rest of the world. I’ve even bought hobby products made in Ukraine before.

      6 votes
    4. Tygrak
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      Thanks for sharing that article. Agreed, this seems like it definitely could lead to Putin's end. I hope Russia will get a sane leader like Gorbachev again. It is terrible that so many people will...

      Thanks for sharing that article.

      Agreed, this seems like it definitely could lead to Putin's end. I hope Russia will get a sane leader like Gorbachev again. It is terrible that so many people will have to pay for it with their lives.

      5 votes
  3. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    No, the war in Ukraine wasn’t because of pronouns from the always wonderful Katelyn Burns

    No, the war in Ukraine wasn’t because of pronouns from the always wonderful Katelyn Burns

    Actually, “the war started because of pronouns” is an oversimplified version of their actual take, which was that Putin sensed the west was weak because we’ve been obsessing over pronouns and transgenderism. It’s peak “my pet issue is actually responsible for every problem” thinking and it’s frankly humiliating for those who espouse this.

    In the current right wing and gender critical fantasy, Putin is the strong man the world needs to righteously stand up for white people against the threat of wokeness and transgenderism, and his invasion of Ukraine is the opening military salvo of a new phase of the culture war.

    In the face of actual bombs thrown by actual fascists, the fact that the New York Times has three writers devoted to cancel culture and zero devoted to the global rise of fascism pulls back the curtain on the ridiculous decision-making of American media makers.

    13 votes
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    1. skybrian
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      That article is blocked for me so here is another one.

      Turkey to implement pact limiting Russian warships to Black Sea

      That article is blocked for me so here is another one.

      4 votes
  5. patience_limited
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    Bellingcat is compiling a comprehensive database of analyses of evident disinformation attempts.

    Bellingcat is compiling a comprehensive database of analyses of evident disinformation attempts.

    7 votes
  6. skybrian
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    Why the Russians Are Struggling (National Review) This is a high-level description of the kinds of tactical mistakes that the Russian military seems to be making, compared to how the US military...

    Why the Russians Are Struggling (National Review)

    This is a high-level description of the kinds of tactical mistakes that the Russian military seems to be making, compared to how the US military does it. I don't know enough to judge, but it seems plausible to me.

    7 votes
  7. Adys
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    Some important/interesting tweets for the day: Brewery in Lviv switching to making molotov cocktails Sumy is back in Ukrainian control Ukraine is taking in cryptocurrency donations (Note: There...

    Some important/interesting tweets for the day:

    6 votes
  8. FishFingus
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    If anyone here is unfamiliar with him, I can recommend Beau of the Fifth Column for interesting takes on this ongoing situation and others: Twitter YouTube He always manages to come up with ways...

    If anyone here is unfamiliar with him, I can recommend Beau of the Fifth Column for interesting takes on this ongoing situation and others:
    Twitter
    YouTube

    He always manages to come up with ways of looking at a situation that I hadn't considered before.

    6 votes
  9. skybrian
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    Another Way to Help Ukrainians: Let Them In (James Fallows)

    Another Way to Help Ukrainians: Let Them In (James Fallows)

    • As a declaration of policy, U.S. officials should say, as soon as possible, that this country will set an example in the scale and quickness of its willingness to accept people who have been forced from their homes.
    • And as a practical matter, U.S. officials should pay immediate attention to revving up the carefully designed, but recently neglected (or sabotaged), public and private arrangements through which generations of refugees have found new opportunities for themselves, and made America stronger through their presence.
    6 votes
  10. spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Bellingcat: Tracking use of Cluster Munitions in Civilian Areas

    Bellingcat: Tracking use of Cluster Munitions in Civilian Areas

    Cluster munitions are a type of weapon that deploy a large number of smaller sub-munitions over a target. These sub-munitions then spread and explode over a larger area, increasing the potential for damage and casualties.

    Due to the wide harm they can cause, cluster munitions are widely criticised as weapons that pose “an immediate threat to civilians during conflict” and for the “long-lasting” problems they can cause if sub-munitions do not explode upon first impact.

    In recent days, social media images and videos have allowed Bellingcat – along with other conflict monitors and open source researchers – to geolocate the impact sites of several cluster munitions to civilian areas within Ukraine.

    5 votes
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    skybrian
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    World's largest plane reportedly destroyed in Ukraine [...] [...] Edit: then again, maybe not?. It's a war, who knows.

    World's largest plane reportedly destroyed in Ukraine

    The world's largest aircraft, the Antonov AN-225, has been destroyed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials, generating alarm and sadness among the aviation world in which it occupies almost cult status.

    The enormous aircraft, named "Mriya," or "dream" in Ukrainian, was parked at an airfield near Kyiv when it was attacked by "Russian occupants," Ukrainian authorities said, adding that they would rebuild the plane.

    "Russia may have destroyed our 'Mriya'. But they will never be able to destroy our dream of a strong, free and democratic European state. We shall prevail!" wrote Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba on Twitter.

    There has been no independent confirmation of the aircraft's destruction. A tweet from the Antonov Company said it could not verify the "technical condition" of the aircraft until it had been inspected by experts.

    [...]

    The AN-225 was sometimes drafted in to help airlift aid during crises in other countries. In the aftermath of the 2010 Haiti earthquake it delivered relief supplies to the neighboring Dominican Republic. During the early days of the Covid pandemic it was used to transport medical supplies to affected areas.

    [...]

    Only one An-225 was ever built by the Kiev-based Antonov company, which came up with the design. It first took flight in 1988 and has been in service ever since.

    Construction was begun on a second plane, but it was never finished.

    Edit: then again, maybe not?. It's a war, who knows.

    5 votes
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      skybrian
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      Here's a Twitter thread by the CEO of Flexport about the roles of Ukraine and Russia in the air cargo industry. [...] [...] [...] [...] [...]

      Here's a Twitter thread by the CEO of Flexport about the roles of Ukraine and Russia in the air cargo industry.

      The An-124s are more plentiful and also huge--they are the world's largest cargo aircraft besides the 225. Their ability to transport oversized cargo is the reason they've lasted so long despite being much worse in cost and loading times than 747s and similar cargo planes. /6

      The main Antonov facility for maintenance and spare parts is in Kyiv, and has at the very least been rendered non operational and likely will be destroyed if it hasn't already. /7

      The Antonov fleet is old and requires constant maintenance and replacement of spare parts to keep it aloft. That maintenance has been rendered much more difficult now and spare parts impossible to acquire for the time being. /8

      [...]

      The destruction / grounding of the world's Antonov fleet will render oversized project cargo shipping by air impossible, imposing major costs and delays on a huge range of industries, most notably the energy sector. /11

      [...]

      The air cargo industry has been suffering from an extreme lack of capacity since the start of the pandemic because 50% of the world's air freight flies in the belly of passenger planes which have been largely pulled off of long haul international routes. /13

      [...]

      It's possible that in the coming days we will see severe sanctions placed on Air Bridge and they will no longer be able to land in many countries around the world. They have a fleet of nineteen 747 cargo aircraft that will have an impact on global air freight capacity. /15

      [...]

      At a time when air capacity is already extremely tight and cargo rates are already 3 times pre-pandemic levels, the removal of the Russian and Ukrainian capacity from the market will lead to further congestion and delays. /17

      The loss of overflight abilities in the Russia air space will at the same time will also force all air carriers transiting from Asia to Europe to route around the vast Russian landmass. This will likely mean an extra stop in Dubai or Qatar, adding delays and extra costs. /18

      [...]

      And the Trans-Siberian railroad is not going to be an attractive alternative for obvious reasons.
      @flexport has already ceased accepting bookings on the rail, perhaps permanently. /20

      3 votes
  12. sron
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    I don’t have much to add except posting a link to this article by The Intercept, covering Zelensky’s defiant response to the conflict and embeds his key speeches and videos, some of them with...

    I don’t have much to add except posting a link to this article by The Intercept, covering Zelensky’s defiant response to the conflict and embeds his key speeches and videos, some of them with English subtitles or translations, and Putin’s attempt at justifying the invasion too. https://theintercept.com/2022/02/25/putin-floods-airwaves-lies-zelensky-punctures-social-media/

    As a Brit, I admit I had never heard of him before Thursday. But his refusal to hide or flee shows who he is. Someone far more courageous than me.

    4 votes
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    skybrian
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    SpaceX Starlink satellite internet service activated in Ukraine, says Elon Musk

    SpaceX Starlink satellite internet service activated in Ukraine, says Elon Musk

    "Starlink service is now active in Ukraine," Musk, the Tesla CEO, tweeted. "More terminals en route."

    Ukraine's vice prime minister asked Musk to provide internet service to the country amid Russian attacks, and Musk delivered, according to a Twitter exchange between the two on Saturday.

    4 votes
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      skybrian
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      SpaceX shipment of Starlink satellite-internet dishes arrives in Ukraine, government official says Is it useful, though? Maybe not? I wouldn’t expect them to be used in battle. Maybe they would be...

      SpaceX shipment of Starlink satellite-internet dishes arrives in Ukraine, government official says

      Ukraine digital minister Mykhailo Fedorov, who tagged Musk in a request on Twitter on Saturday, posted that Starlink was "here" in Ukraine — with a photo showing more than two dozen boxes of the company's user kits in the back of a truck.

      Is it useful, though? Maybe not?

      Even if Starlink worked perfectly, the use of satellite technology can be risky in wartime, John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at the University of Toronto’s Citizen Lab, told me. Transmissions between ground receivers and satellites can become beacons for air strikes. “None of this is new,” Scott-Railton said. “The only new thing is Starlink, which has never really been tested in a context of battle.”

      I wouldn’t expect them to be used in battle. Maybe they would be useful as decoys? It seems like good PR, anyway.

      1 vote
      1. vektor
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        I was thinking about using civilian internet radio infrastructure (starLink or cell network both work) in wartime. I'm not convinced it's as bleak: The fun thing about internet is that it's...

        I was thinking about using civilian internet radio infrastructure (starLink or cell network both work) in wartime. I'm not convinced it's as bleak: The fun thing about internet is that it's ubiquitous, so the enemy will have a hard time telling apart military and civilian users. Is that already a human shield or is that just camouflage? Either way, I don't think it's feasible to use those communications for target acquisition, given that you usually have no information on whether they're civilian or military. If "someone is over there" was good enough to call in a strike, Kiev would be leveled already.

        Plus, internet is just the transport medium. You can upgrade your security on top of that as much as you like; cryptography is a thing.

        4 votes
      2. skybrian
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        Musk:

        Musk:

        Some Starlink terminals near conflict areas were being jammed for several hours at a time. Our latest software update bypasses the jamming.

        Am curious to see what’s next!

        1 vote
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    teaearlgraycold
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    Nice video from Real Life Lore on why Russia is invading: https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE I’d heard the argument for securing Russia’s borders from invasion before - but that didn’t seem convincing...

    Nice video from Real Life Lore on why Russia is invading: https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE

    I’d heard the argument for securing Russia’s borders from invasion before - but that didn’t seem convincing as Russia is not under threat of invasion thanks to its nuclear arsenal. The economic arguments make more sense. Capturing Ukraine is lucrative and MAD prevents retaliation.

    3 votes
    1. HotPants
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      Interesting video. It makes three key points. 1. Why start the war? Untapped gas reserves in the black sea that is a thread to Russias economic foundation. 2. Why start the war now? Russia annexed...

      Interesting video.

      It makes three key points.

      1. Why start the war? Untapped gas reserves in the black sea that is a thread to Russias economic foundation.

      2. Why start the war now? Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 giving it sovereignty over most of the untapped reserves, but Ukraine shut off water to Crimea, causing immense toll on the economy.

      3. When will the war stop? Russia has already turned on the water to Crimea but may wish to cut Ukraine off from access to the black sea and control all Ukrainian gas reserves.

      4 votes
    2. vektor
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      Honestly, I don't think capturing Ukraine the way it is happening now is going to be worth it at all. Great cost in materiel and personell to the russian military and great cost to Ukraine's...

      Honestly, I don't think capturing Ukraine the way it is happening now is going to be worth it at all. Great cost in materiel and personell to the russian military and great cost to Ukraine's infrastructure, nevermind its people. To break even on the damage caused by this war, it's going to take a very long time.

      Now, that's not to argue against your point - it could very well be that that's exactly the calculus going on. But then maybe Putin is misjudging the fighting spirit of Ukrainians - which I find a quite credible argument.

      Of course, you could argue that exploitation of natural gas resources don't necessitate new russian expenditures to repair most of Ukraine's infrastructure or replace lost military equipment. But with the fight the Ukrainians are putting up and, it seems, will continue to put up, this makes economic exploitation very hard: Military security will likely have to be kept up for years to come, meanwhile you can't rely on local labor for fear of sabotage, and western sanctions will also play their part, as that removes energy customers and hurts the economy more generally. And without restoring (and thus investing in) the infrastructure that gets destroyed in this war at least somewhat, the Ukrainian populace will be very unhappy, necessitating (imo) at least some expenditure there. Which is to say, if this is an economic move, it's likely to be (at least with the way things are going) a at best marginally successful defensive move; that is, Russia can continue to be Europe's major supplier of gas; they do not expand their presence in that market, but they at least don't lose it to a western-aligned nation, stripping them of their privilege entirely. All at great cost to themselves.

      Even then, I don't think this will work out well for Putin, the way things are going. If the Ukrainian defense disintegrated the way the Afghan Army did, this would look different.

      3 votes
  15. Adys
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    Response from Wise: https://wise.com/gb/blog/update-ukraine Response from Revolut: https://blog.revolut.com/the-war-on-ukraine-our-response/ Revolut and Wise are both supporting fee-free transfers...

    Response from Wise: https://wise.com/gb/blog/update-ukraine

    Response from Revolut: https://blog.revolut.com/the-war-on-ukraine-our-response/

    Revolut and Wise are both supporting fee-free transfers to UAH. Sending money to Ukraine is very difficult right now but they're both trying to make it as easy as possible.

    3 votes
  16. skybrian
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    The Institute for the Study of War is posting military-oriented updates. It seems to be a Washington-based think-tank. Here's the Wikipedia article.

    The Institute for the Study of War is posting military-oriented updates. It seems to be a Washington-based think-tank. Here's the Wikipedia article.

    2 votes