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Andrew Yang endorses Joe Biden

23 comments

  1. Douglas
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    I get it. I don't agree with it/much prefer Bernie, but I get it. Just get Biden up there, find out who is VP is (fingers crossed it's Warren at least), and let's move on with it.

    I get it. I don't agree with it/much prefer Bernie, but I get it.

    Just get Biden up there, find out who is VP is (fingers crossed it's Warren at least), and let's move on with it.

    7 votes
  2. [22]
    Turtle
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    From the article:

    From the article:

    Former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden during an appearance on CNN on Tuesday night.
    "The math says Joe is our prohibitive nominee; we need to bring the party together," Yang said, as he publicly threw his support behind Biden.

    6 votes
    1. [20]
      JXM
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      So he’s literally endorsing him because probability says he should? Not because he agrees with his politics or anything like that?

      So he’s literally endorsing him because probability says he should? Not because he agrees with his politics or anything like that?

      19 votes
      1. [3]
        skybrian
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        I think he's saying it's over, let's not drag it out. It's not a strong endorsement.

        I think he's saying it's over, let's not drag it out. It's not a strong endorsement.

        30 votes
        1. [2]
          Amarok
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          Yep. See for yourself how he put it on CNN.
          15 votes
          1. timo
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            Thanks for the source. He also stated that Biden needs to adopt Sanders his message.and not just go back to business as usual. It's a valid point if you want to get out the vote.

            Thanks for the source.

            He also stated that Biden needs to adopt Sanders his message.and not just go back to business as usual. It's a valid point if you want to get out the vote.

            9 votes
      2. stu2b50
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        Basically he's endorsing ending the primary battle so the democratic party can come into the election with greater unity. Whether or not you agree, it is a pragmatic option and not that surprising...

        Basically he's endorsing ending the primary battle so the democratic party can come into the election with greater unity.

        Whether or not you agree, it is a pragmatic option and not that surprising from the guy with the math hat.

        25 votes
      3. [14]
        babypuncher
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        Bernie has no feasible path to the nomination. Continuing this fight by endorsing Bernie now will only serve to hurt the actual nominee this November. That is Yang's reasoning.

        Bernie has no feasible path to the nomination. Continuing this fight by endorsing Bernie now will only serve to hurt the actual nominee this November. That is Yang's reasoning.

        10 votes
        1. [13]
          SuperGracchiBros
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          In an essentially 2 person race, Bernie only needs 55% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination. I think that's pretty feasible.

          In an essentially 2 person race, Bernie only needs 55% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination. I think that's pretty feasible.

          5 votes
          1. [12]
            Loire
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            It's really not, unless something incredibly drastic changes. Biden has dominated everywhere he needed to dominate and a number of states that were thought to be in competition. He has dominated...

            It's really not, unless something incredibly drastic changes. Biden has dominated everywhere he needed to dominate and a number of states that were thought to be in competition. He has dominated both Super Tuesday and whatever name they come up with for this Tuesday just past. He is dominating the national polls and leading in a number of remaining states. The most conservative (read: small c, favourable to the possibility Sanders making a comeback, not the political wing) polls have Biden prohibitively ahead.

            There is no feasible path for Sanders to win the nomination. Any pretentions otherwise are uninformed or fantastical. If it were literally any other candidate they would have dropped out by now. Unfortunately Sanders is a fighter and he will drag this out until the bitter end.

            9 votes
            1. Amarok
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              I expect there will be some fireworks at the convention, and Sanders will try to get more of his policy planks adopted by the DNC. That's really all he's got at this point.

              I expect there will be some fireworks at the convention, and Sanders will try to get more of his policy planks adopted by the DNC. That's really all he's got at this point.

              6 votes
            2. [4]
              nacho
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              Like he did in 2016, which meant that the party didn't unite behind Clinton, which likely led to Trump's election. I'm not saying Trump's Sanders' fault alone, but in attempting to push Clinton to...

              Like he did in 2016, which meant that the party didn't unite behind Clinton, which likely led to Trump's election.

              I'm not saying Trump's Sanders' fault alone, but in attempting to push Clinton to the left, he clearly and unambiguously helped Trump, who ended up winning the election.

              Sanders has a history going back decades of being unwilling or unable to compromise or play politics as a team sport. He will show that yet again this primary season it seems.

              If the Democrats are to win, they need to be a team. The non-nominee between Sanders and Biden needs to be in a position to campaign for that candidate when they suspend their campaign if they're serious about how bad they say Trump is for the country.

              4 votes
              1. [3]
                scissortail
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                I have a hard time believing that the attempt to push Clinton to the left is what scuttled her chance at the presidency. Clinton lost in large part because of the immense personal distaste many of...

                I have a hard time believing that the attempt to push Clinton to the left is what scuttled her chance at the presidency. Clinton lost in large part because of the immense personal distaste many of the folks in this country have for her (deserved or not), and because she (and the electorate) did not take Donald Trump seriously at all. Folks were much more concerned with not electing the embodiment of The Establishment Democrat than they were concerned with the slightly more left-leaning platform of the DNC.

                Sanders also worked his ass off stumping for Hillary once she was the nominee.

                I don't disagree that Democrats need to be a team to win this election, though, and agree that if one of the two suspends before the convention then they should hustle to help the other.

                8 votes
                1. [2]
                  reese
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                  Meta, but it's been the same people complaining about Sanders this entire time, on Tildes and beyond, because they don't like him. While I was physically applauding Warren for taking Bloomberg...

                  Meta, but it's been the same people complaining about Sanders this entire time, on Tildes and beyond, because they don't like him. While I was physically applauding Warren for taking Bloomberg down with a mere question, there were people writing Internet comments claiming that Sanders and I (one of his supporters) are basically sentient dog excrement. The pattern is in latching onto

                  every.
                  single.
                  narrative.

                  that portrays Sanders in the worst light possible. It's not clever. It's annoying. What's especially bothersome has been the absence of direct speech, and sheer passive aggression, aimed at this candidate. Apparently he's the worst thing to ever happen to American politics aside from Trump? The hyperbole and vitriol is so exhausting. And it's far from over, this is a presidential race.

                  If Biden loses to Trump, I bet my entire life's savings that the same people will by and large blame Sanders and people like me. Please bookmark this comment and confirm later. Sanders and I have, among many things, one particular thing in common: we would vote for Biden in the general election. We know the number one priority is removing Trump from office. That said, some Bernie supporters won't vote for Biden, but, just as well, attacking them is not the answer. We have to explain why removing Trump from office is more important. One simple route is by pontificating what might happen to the Supreme Court if Trump gets another term.

                  For this thread specifically, we're not quite there yet for Sanders to drop out. It's unlikely that Sanders will win the nomination, but I don't believe it's impossible. I would recommend rather than taking yet another chance to attack Sanders and his supporters that time was spent doing pretty much anything else if unity matters as much as some say it does. And I'm not trying to dismiss people for valid criticism, as there are things even I'm not happy with Sanders about, but at the same time the last group I would alienate are those who would join my cause, albeit reluctantly, all things considered.

                  8 votes
                  1. Loire
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                    This is incredibly hyperbolic, especially if you are going to call-out tildes/your community at large without posting a single example. This is a primary, the party's supporters are choosing their...

                    This is incredibly hyperbolic, especially if you are going to call-out tildes/your community at large without posting a single example. This is a primary, the party's supporters are choosing their preferred candidate for the general, people are going to be talking positively or negatively about each candidate. Literally nobody here is calling Sanders "the worst thing since Trump" and that sort of crazy embellishment isn't happening anywhere outside of the conservative sphere.

                    Literally no other candidate's supporters complain about the rest of the field like Sanders and co. do. When Buttigieg and Warren were facing their turns getting bad media coverage their were no mass complaints of media bias. When Warren was doing surprisingly poorly in the primaries her supporters weren't complaining about "Dem establishment fucking us again". When Biden was down and out in Iowa and NH his supporters weren't throwing up post after post decrying "voter fraud", "long lines", "DNC conspiracy!". Buttigieg/Klobuchar/Biden/Warren supporters didn't start demanding accelerationism the moment their candidates fates were revealed.

                    All of the above is part and parcel for Sanders supporters. Which is fine (minus formenting conspiracy about the DNC again). Passion is great and Sanders incites a lot of it in his demo. Their are only two groups I've seen pull the "I won't vote for the DNC candidate if it's not my candidate", that's Sanders supporters and (surprisingly) Yang supporters. Allegedly left-leaning redditors are literally calling to vote for Trump over Biden. Stating that anyone that votes for Biden is a class traitor, talking supportively of him is ban worthy. Please don't act the victim when the behaviour is nearly unidirectional.

                    This is a huge safe space for Sanders supporters. Almost every poster (if not every poster) on tildes is on the left side of the spectrum. If you are feeling attacked here, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation.

                    3 votes
            3. [3]
              wycy
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              Sanders has no feasible path to the nomination... unless this debate happens on Sunday and Biden essentially publicly cakes his pants. Given Biden can't seem to make it through a 7 minute speech...

              Sanders has no feasible path to the nomination... unless this debate happens on Sunday and Biden essentially publicly cakes his pants. Given Biden can't seem to make it through a 7 minute speech without completely bungling it, it is possible he has a major brain fart in an hours worth of speaking at the debate. Barring something huge, though, it's essentially over.

              2 votes
              1. [2]
                Loire
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                Considering previous debates and Biden publically quarreling with voters hasn't sunk him I don't see how another debate would. Everyone who cares knows Bernie Sanders is the smarter candidate....

                Considering previous debates and Biden publically quarreling with voters hasn't sunk him I don't see how another debate would.

                Everyone who cares knows Bernie Sanders is the smarter candidate. Nobody seems to care.

                6 votes
                1. wycy
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                  Agreed, though I think a lot of those voting for him just haven't actually seen this recently. Although cable news used to feel comfortable talking about Biden's mental decline, they've been...

                  previous debates and Biden publically quarreling with voters hasn't sunk him

                  Agreed, though I think a lot of those voting for him just haven't actually seen this recently. Although cable news used to feel comfortable talking about Biden's mental decline, they've been aggressively sweeping it under the rug lately. The clip of Biden saying "you know the you know the thing" is pretty shocking to anyone who actually sees it. It's possible something similar happens in a long debate. Who knows. It is almost certainly the last shot, though.

                  4 votes
            4. [3]
              Kuromantis
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              I just can't swallow that pill. Do you think the debates next week could change enough people's minds? Biden still can't speak properly, still has a garbage voting record and still has no real...

              I just can't swallow that pill.

              Do you think the debates next week could change enough people's minds? Biden still can't speak properly, still has a garbage voting record and still has no real policy proposals unique to him.

              All Sanders needs to do is backtrack on

              1: The socialist label/Explain that, whatever he's doing, it ain't Soviet, but Scandinavian.

              2: The Cuban literacy program and explain that the program did have some evidence of stuff like

              'implanting a revolutionary consciousness on the youth'

              and

              'A traditional responsibility of women was made to fit the Cuban ideals of heroism and service through means of militarization. The volunteers of the campaign were treated much like soldiers, organized into the aforementioned brigades and were provided clothing resembling military fatigues regardless of their gender. From such a perspective the campaign is shrouded in hyper-masculinity, hiding the fact that women were a large driving force of the effort under the guise of "masculine ideals"

              And so acknowledge that there likely was propaganda in the books they read and that no such thing would happen in the US.

              3: Note that he and Hillary have many similarities, being established Washington politicians with something that looks too much like a scandal.

              I just can't take it.

              2 votes
              1. [2]
                Loire
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                Let me just start off and say: It's okay. You will be okay. You can take it. Politics is a shitty game, but you can't take it to heart like that. One candidate was never going to change America....

                I just can't take it.

                Let me just start off and say: It's okay. You will be okay. You can take it. Politics is a shitty game, but you can't take it to heart like that.

                One candidate was never going to change America. Sanders is a great leader to forment the growing organization of the left within America but even if he had won in 2016, or 2020, its very unlikely he would have been able to pass literally any of his major legislation through the Republican biased Senate and the conservative biased Supreme Court. His primary loss will not change things.

                Progressives are growing, they are learning to organize again, they are increasingly getting into politics at all levels. This is a numbers game, no single person can bring that kind of change to America.

                So even of you can't bring yourself to vote for Biden, go out and support your down ballot progressive candidates. House Reps, Senators and State Legislators are, quite possibly, even more important than Bernie himself. Just throw the presidential vote to the Green candidate or something.

                This movement basically started five years ago. The progress it has made in the meantime is incredible. Take heart in that. Where's it going to be in another five years? That will be Sander's legacy and what he has accomplished is nothing short of remarkable.

                Do you think the debates next week could change enough people's minds? Biden still can't speak properly, still has a garbage voting record and still has no real.

                It's very possible but I don't find it likely. It just seems like dem voters have made up their minds, especially the incredibly important southeast Black vote and suburban voters. I think it would take a fairly large gaffe to knock Biden off at this point and not just stumbling over his words.

                2 votes
                1. Kuromantis
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                  I will admit that for the progressive movement to happened the centrists would need to do what the centrist Republicans did and bow to Bernie. But I think if Bernie won the Midwestern swing...

                  Sanders is a great leader to forment the growing organization of the left within America but even if he had won in 2016, or 2020, its very unlikely he would have been able to pass literally any of his major legislation through the Republican biased Senate and the conservative biased Supreme Court. His primary loss will not change things.

                  I will admit that for the progressive movement to happened the centrists would need to do what the centrist Republicans did and bow to Bernie. But I think if Bernie won the Midwestern swing states, even if the centrists hated him we could have at the very least done changes like removing VoterID and considering an increase in number of house seats and personally I think if all students loans were abolished many young people would recognize the power of politics and participate in them.

                  So even if you can't bring yourself to vote for Biden

                  Oh, I didn't mean that, I would nearly certainly vote for Biden unless hillary or Bernie was president now. Given Trump's positive relations with Russia (and all the other stuff against him, especially the institutional damage and voter suppresion), I would do it, mostly with the hope that Biden could make voting easy (Biden's base is old black people who remember civil rights so I know he would deliver that). (I say would because I'm a 14 year old Brazilian, I've said that enough times right?)

                  I meant that Biden has such unanimous public support when Sanders wants to address issues which are existential threats to young people like student debt which takes often decades to pay off and for everyone like free healthcare, which bankrupts hundreds of thousands of people every year and think to myself 'how isn't single payer and the erasure of college debt and tuition universally supported'? The supporters of these moderate candidates are mostly 45+ so many of them literally birthed these people who are in said debt and they don't find these debts placed on their children completely insane? I mean, I've heard of people who can dodge student debt and save up or maybe avoid college and not die in a McDonald's or have good insurance plans offered by their companies but the fact that these aren't human rights is baffling to me and the reason I presume these aren't obviously regarded as human rights is that these companies are now huge donors in politics and advertisers in news meaning the tv channels don't talk about it because it upsets the big 'people' who make them money at the top. (Here's a video of CNN mocking occupy wall Street just to prove that point.)

                  House Reps, Senators and State Legislators are, quite possibly, even more important than Bernie himself.

                  I will have to agree here. I've talked about this one before, and Bernie needs to emphasize these races in the next debate, his slogan is literally called not me, us. The whole point of the election for the Democrats is to seize the Senate and the presidency for a trifecta, abolish the filibuster to actually pass them, seize the state legislatures to avoid Republican gerrymandering (granted we don't just do it to suit us instead) and take back the courts.

                  Where's it going to be in another five years? That will be Sander's legacy and what he has accomplished is nothing short of remarkable.

                  Suppressed out of existence by VoterID and other Republican shenanigans. Granted Biden is also in our side here.

                  2 votes
      4. Turtle
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        I'm just as confused as you are. Very disappointed, tbh.

        I'm just as confused as you are. Very disappointed, tbh.

        6 votes
    2. Deimos
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      I edited the link to an article specifically about this, with more of his comments, and a confirmation/statement from one of his former campaign staff.

      I edited the link to an article specifically about this, with more of his comments, and a confirmation/statement from one of his former campaign staff.

      6 votes