37 votes

Red Reader granted non-commercial, accessible exemption to Reddit API

20 comments

  1. [12]
    oliak
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    I know this sounds cynical and accelerationist af but I kinda wish they hadn’t gotten an exemption. I’m looking for Reddit to burn at this point. It’s long overdue for a bit of a reshuffling to...

    I know this sounds cynical and accelerationist af but I kinda wish they hadn’t gotten an exemption. I’m looking for Reddit to burn at this point. It’s long overdue for a bit of a reshuffling to occur.

    That’s just my opinion though. shrug

    40 votes
    1. [4]
      dainumer
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      I'm of a similar opinion as you: This feels like Reddit trying to pick a token 3rd app to shield them from criticism. Looks like RedReader is Android only, so no options for the Apollo crowd.

      I'm of a similar opinion as you: This feels like Reddit trying to pick a token 3rd app to shield them from criticism. Looks like RedReader is Android only, so no options for the Apollo crowd.

      22 votes
      1. Minori
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        NSFW content is still gone for all third-party access (no smut for low vision users), but Dystopia for iOS was also kept on as the token accessibility app. Though, it doesn't even have full app...

        NSFW content is still gone for all third-party access (no smut for low vision users), but Dystopia for iOS was also kept on as the token accessibility app. Though, it doesn't even have full app store approval yet.

        https://old.reddit.com/r/DystopiaForReddit/comments/145e9sk/update_dystopia_will_continue_operating_for_free

        21 votes
      2. [2]
        Grrbrr
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        And it's an easy shield to throw away when you don't need it anymore. "Oh, your userbase grew a bit too much for free access." (Translated: We developed our own accessibility options so there's no...

        And it's an easy shield to throw away when you don't need it anymore. "Oh, your userbase grew a bit too much for free access." (Translated: We developed our own accessibility options so there's no need for sheltering you anymore)

        7 votes
        1. Fooly_411
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          This is what I think, as well. They can take a small, token app and then later when they want to axe it, claim that it only success is from their exemption given during this time.

          This is what I think, as well. They can take a small, token app and then later when they want to axe it, claim that it only success is from their exemption given during this time.

          1 vote
    2. [5]
      SirDeviant
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      Reddit is the last place on the internet where I feel I can find people's actual opinions on products or tech problems. Every other site has been search engine optimized or astroturfed into the...

      Reddit is the last place on the internet where I feel I can find people's actual opinions on products or tech problems. Every other site has been search engine optimized or astroturfed into the dirt.

      I'm concerned that whatever replaces Reddit won't be nearly as authentic.

      17 votes
      1. chocobean
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        Fret not. The reason you find product reviews to be authentic on it is because of its users, writing their reviews for free. Human beings will find a way to voice their opinions authentically....

        Fret not.

        The reason you find product reviews to be authentic on it is because of its users, writing their reviews for free. Human beings will find a way to voice their opinions authentically. There is already significant astroturfing on the platform, and the quality is all but sure to continue to decay, so lurk and read the reviews cautiously, and in the mean time we'll have to resort back to your local review threads and ask your local community

        10 votes
      2. wizard
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        This is my biggest concern too! A significant amount of my internet searches are in the format "<search terms> reddit" (or the reverse). I'm not sure what I'd do if Reddit dies or stops being...

        This is my biggest concern too! A significant amount of my internet searches are in the format "<search terms> reddit" (or the reverse). I'm not sure what I'd do if Reddit dies or stops being reliable for easily finding quality info and/or discussions on an impressively wide range of topics.

        8 votes
      3. Edes
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        It feels like reddit has been overrun by companies promoting their own products by paying the mods to put it in the wiki or posting their own reviews though. I approach every review with too much...

        It feels like reddit has been overrun by companies promoting their own products by paying the mods to put it in the wiki or posting their own reviews though. I approach every review with too much scrutiny now, i feel like there's a lot of shills since everyone figured out that you could make a post on reddit to get a lot of traffic for free.

        5 votes
      4. NaraVara
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        I think Reddit is on its way to being SEO spammed as well so we’re maybe 5 years away from its utility collapsing too. People seem to be on TikTok and Instagram Reels for recommendations now. It’s...

        I think Reddit is on its way to being SEO spammed as well so we’re maybe 5 years away from its utility collapsing too.

        People seem to be on TikTok and Instagram Reels for recommendations now. It’s definitely sponsored content, but the algorithms seem harder to game quite as intentionally and their data is good enough to be tailored really well. But it’s more of a top-down model for learning and research rather than one where you set your own parameters willingly.

        3 votes
    3. [2]
      matpower64
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      Honestly, even with the exemption, I doubt everyone will migrate in mass to it. It is pretty simplistic and clean compared to the mainstream alternatives such as Apollo or Sync. Even if everyone...

      Honestly, even with the exemption, I doubt everyone will migrate in mass to it. It is pretty simplistic and clean compared to the mainstream alternatives such as Apollo or Sync. Even if everyone migrates to it, it'll be a pyrrhic victory at best:

      • Free API access can be cut down any time with an excuse like "We have improved accessibility in our app!"
      • API users are still second-rate, NSFW content will still be inaccessible and like it or not, it is one of the main draws to Reddit vs other platforms.
      • The whole alternative ecosystem is now locked down to two apps which are sightly different from the current popular choices.

      And I say that as a RedReader user, it is a lovely app that feels like "Old Reddit but native" and its features are vastly underrated, but compared to the other options, it is not the same thing.
      And still, they aren't backing down. The AMA clearly shows they will go through it, even with the massive community backslash and protests in the coming days. As far as I can tell, it looks like Reddit will still burn down.

      4 votes
      1. oliak
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        Here's hoping. lol

        Here's hoping. lol

        2 votes
  2. crdpa
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    That's the one I use and like the most, but I removed my reddit account and deleted the app anyway. I've been thinking of leaving reddit for some time now and now is the time.

    That's the one I use and like the most, but I removed my reddit account and deleted the app anyway.

    I've been thinking of leaving reddit for some time now and now is the time.

    9 votes
  3. [2]
    moocow1452
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    This is one of the only apps that I've seen explicitly saying they will continue into July with Reddit's blessing.

    This is one of the only apps that I've seen explicitly saying they will continue into July with Reddit's blessing.

    8 votes
    1. moocow1452
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      The developer has said they have been interested in integrating Lemmy instances as well to turn the app into something of an aggregator. I know that federation is the f-word around here, but do we...

      The developer has said they have been interested in integrating Lemmy instances as well to turn the app into something of an aggregator. I know that federation is the f-word around here, but do we feel the same way about a reader app that would pull Tildes content in along with multiple sources?

      11 votes
  4. [3]
    win8linux
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    Interesting that in the long-term, RedReader will try to support Tildes, Lemmy, and others. Looking forward to using it again when it does.

    Interesting that in the long-term, RedReader will try to support Tildes, Lemmy, and others. Looking forward to using it again when it does.

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      Matcha
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      I enjoy using it too. Hope it can expand or fork if necessary.

      I enjoy using it too. Hope it can expand or fork if necessary.

      1. moocow1452
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        My one issue is that you can't favorite subreddits and alter the defaults available when you use the app anonymously, like you can with Sync. That's been a known issue for a minute, but I'd...

        My one issue is that you can't favorite subreddits and alter the defaults available when you use the app anonymously, like you can with Sync. That's been a known issue for a minute, but I'd imagine the dev has higher priorities.

        3 votes
  5. chocobean
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    Judging by how long TPA devs have been trying to reach Reddit, and how late this announcement came, and for only one app, this seems to be more avoiding lawsuits than grudging good will. On...

    Judging by how long TPA devs have been trying to reach Reddit, and how late this announcement came, and for only one app, this seems to be more avoiding lawsuits than grudging good will.

    On /r/blind they have compiled a list
    of TPA sight impaired users rely on. Regardless of fallout, I honestly do hope more of them receive API cost exemption confirmation in the next few days.

    Apps with paid versions are probably not going to recieve examptions, such as baconreader.

    5 votes
  6. Beowulf
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    As a long-time user of RedReader (up until I deleted my account yesterday), I'm glad both for the RedReader team as well as people who rely on its accessibility features. I really hope RedReader...

    As a long-time user of RedReader (up until I deleted my account yesterday), I'm glad both for the RedReader team as well as people who rely on its accessibility features.

    I really hope RedReader continues to branch out to other sites like Lemmy and Tildes, as I'd love to go back to using the app again in the future.

    2 votes