Dropbox is ending support for their password manager. I started using it because I was already paying for Dropbox. They are offering members a discount on 1password. I am going to start using...
Dropbox is ending support for their password manager. I started using it because I was already paying for Dropbox. They are offering members a discount on 1password. I am going to start using KeePass instead (with major files saved inside of Dropbox).
I use Bitwarden and I'm a fan due to the fact that it can be self-hosted if you prefer. I also use 1Password for work and have been impressed. However, whatever the "right answer" is for a...
I use Bitwarden and I'm a fan due to the fact that it can be self-hosted if you prefer. I also use 1Password for work and have been impressed.
However, whatever the "right answer" is for a password manager, I also think there's a wrong answer, and that wrong answer is LastPass. Their breach disclosure history reflects a culture of carelessness, their UX felt ancient and as time went on only seemed to get the occasional displeasing-to-the-eye refresh spackled over a set of core functionality that was slowly decaying, and their extension seemed like it didn't work in most cases where it should.
When I deleted my LastPass account, the post-deletion message was a random internal error instead of a success message. Good riddance.
I love that every time someone starts talking about password vaults someones gotta show up to dunk on LastPass. They suck and they deserve it. Literally had one job.
I love that every time someone starts talking about password vaults someones gotta show up to dunk on LastPass.
They suck and they deserve it. Literally had one job.
+1 for Bitwarden, and honestly I even switched from 1Password to it to save a few bucks, and I think I've had less issues/bugs than I had with 1Password. It has basically been bulletproof for me...
+1 for Bitwarden, and honestly I even switched from 1Password to it to save a few bucks, and I think I've had less issues/bugs than I had with 1Password. It has basically been bulletproof for me ever since signing up a few years ago. $10/year for Premium is great. Works great on all my devices, iOS, Linux, Mac. I think I had to fuss with it a bit on iOS to make it less annoying but other than that, no problems
Apparently Bitwarden has their own 2FA Authenticator now too which is nice
They have a standalone mobile authenticator app, and a totp authenticator that is integrated into their password manager. Some people don't like having their eggs in one basket which is perfectly...
They have a standalone mobile authenticator app, and a totp authenticator that is integrated into their password manager. Some people don't like having their eggs in one basket which is perfectly valid.
Yep, I love self-hosted vaultwarden, and the price for bitwarden to host it isn't bad if you go that route. I dropped lastpass after the first breach/leak. I've lost count of how many they've had...
Yep, I love self-hosted vaultwarden, and the price for bitwarden to host it isn't bad if you go that route.
I dropped lastpass after the first breach/leak. I've lost count of how many they've had since...
I probably should have too, but I’ll admit it took me until reading about the second breach to finally move away from them. Bitwarden seems to have a decent reputation and I’m satisfied with their...
I dropped lastpass after the first breach/leak. I've lost count of how many they've had since
I probably should have too, but I’ll admit it took me until reading about the second breach to finally move away from them. Bitwarden seems to have a decent reputation and I’m satisfied with their free tier, so that’s where I’ve been for the last bunch of years.
I think the ultimate wrong answer is anything that can just be discontinued without your consent and you're left powerless. Proton Pass Dropbox passwords or whatever they branded it as anything...
I think the ultimate wrong answer is anything that can just be discontinued without your consent and you're left powerless.
Haven’t tried Bitwarden yet, but though 1Password remains solid, I’ve nonetheless been increasingly disappointed with it. On my work machine I use the latest version (which is an Electron app) but...
Haven’t tried Bitwarden yet, but though 1Password remains solid, I’ve nonetheless been increasingly disappointed with it. On my work machine I use the latest version (which is an Electron app) but on my personal machine I’m holding onto 1Password 7 (which is the last version that had a true native Mac app) for dear life. The Electron version has consistently been more buggy/glitchy and more corporate-sterile. Flipping between the two versions is almost unsettling, it’s like watching its soul getting sucked out.
There are other password managers with real native Mac apps, but they’re Apple platform exclusives which doesn’t feel great. Ironically one of the better options now is Apple’s own iCloud-backed Passwords app, which at least offers browser extensions for Windows.
KeePass is great, and I use a similar setup with Dropbox for syncing. Though I would suggest using its cousin, KeePassXC, for a sleeker UI and cross-platform support (Linux, Windows). It also...
KeePass is great, and I use a similar setup with Dropbox for syncing. Though I would suggest using its cousin, KeePassXC, for a sleeker UI and cross-platform support (Linux, Windows). It also supports storing TOTP keys.
On Android, I use Keepass2Android. They sync well, but I try to only write new entries when other databases are closed.
I'll second KeePassXC as the go-to desktop app for managing KeePass databases. It also has a browser extension. I'll also recommend KeePassium on iOS. It fully leverages Apple's password...
I'll second KeePassXC as the go-to desktop app for managing KeePass databases. It also has a browser extension.
I'll also recommend KeePassium on iOS. It fully leverages Apple's password management APIs so you get the same features you expect from the built in password manager and all the other big players like LastPass and 1Password.
I've found that Dropbox does a pretty good job of making conflicted copies (instead of overwriting the conflicted changes) when I accidentally make modifications from two places. That usually...
I've found that Dropbox does a pretty good job of making conflicted copies (instead of overwriting the conflicted changes) when I accidentally make modifications from two places. That usually happens because Dropbox on my phone doesn't sync if the app isn't open. When I'm back on my computer, I use the synchronize feature on Keep ass to merge them back in.
There is a setting in KeePassXC to make it play nicer with cloud storage systems like Dropbox. It's the "use alternative saving method" setting under File Management.
There is a setting in KeePassXC to make it play nicer with cloud storage systems like Dropbox. It's the "use alternative saving method" setting under File Management.
This is perfect timing having read this and related comments.... I have been using keepass for years (happily) - both on desktop and syncing the Db file around! However, now my partner and our kid...
This is perfect timing having read this and related comments....
I have been using keepass for years (happily) - both on desktop and syncing the Db file around! However, now my partner and our kid might begin to use it/share it too - since we're trying to centralize and better organize our family logins. But, my fear is that while i am diligent in closing the DB, i am fearful of my family not being as diligent, and fear what happens with conflicts and such....I've started testing bitwarden's mobile app...and while the UI is ok, it actually runs kind sluggish. I mean, its not terrible or anything, but does leave some to be desired. It would of course immediatley meet the need, and my understanding is that its designed for synching, and sharing...but, am i being too overfearful about keepass unnecessarily about the possiblity of conflicts? I don't know anyione else in my sphere who uses keepass...an d i do hear other folks happily use bitwarden....so any other feedback to share - at least on sharing a keepass DB with more than 1 person? Thanks!
You can configure KeePass (and XC) to automatically close the database, either when minimized or after a period of inactivity. While that might solve the majority of syncing issues, I think it...
You can configure KeePass (and XC) to automatically close the database, either when minimized or after a period of inactivity. While that might solve the majority of syncing issues, I think it would be frustrating for users to need to constantly unlock it again.
For your use case, a hosted BitWarden plan probably still makes the most sense. The UI will be a little more accessible, and non-techies won't have to spend as much time thinking about it. They have a personal plan for Families, which I understand includes some sharing features (eg. grown ups have access to bills), and personal vaults for each members.
While I don't use BitWarden myself, I've heard only good things about the service from those I trust. It seems a better fit for collaborative use than KeePass is.
I appreciate your feedback! And, yeah, i'm leaning towards a paid bitwarden plan...because while it might seem that asking my family to keep closing the keepass DB is not a big deal...i think its...
I appreciate your feedback! And, yeah, i'm leaning towards a paid bitwarden plan...because while it might seem that asking my family to keep closing the keepass DB is not a big deal...i think its just enough friction. Thanks again!
I am not sure how technically inclined you are. But if you are looking for something you manage yourself this feels like it might be a good use case for self hosted vaultwarden. Keeping KeePass...
I am not sure how technically inclined you are. But if you are looking for something you manage yourself this feels like it might be a good use case for self hosted vaultwarden. Keeping KeePass vaults in sync is tricky enough with one person using it let alone more.
Though it also depends on how often you save things to it.
Appreciate your feedback! I already self-host a few other services, so to add vaultwarden would be a straight-forward thing (not technically tough, but I'd prefer not to due to lack of bandwidth,...
Appreciate your feedback! I already self-host a few other services, so to add vaultwarden would be a straight-forward thing (not technically tough, but I'd prefer not to due to lack of bandwidth, etc.). And, yeah, my biggest fear is the perceived "touchy" nature of trying to keep Keepass DB file in sync across a couple of users...hence, now reviewing a few comments on this thread, i'm seriously leaning towards a paid bitwarden plan. (Of course like in other areas of my life, if i become dismayed by such paid plans, as you noted, i always do have the option to host things myself ;-) Anyway, thanks again!
KeePass is nice in theory, but last I looked at it, there was a bit of game of music chairs going on with the “best” actively maintained client for each platform which was more than I felt like...
KeePass is nice in theory, but last I looked at it, there was a bit of game of music chairs going on with the “best” actively maintained client for each platform which was more than I felt like keeping up with. Maybe that’s improved, though.
I'll highly recommend KeepassDX for android. I heard about it from someone here on Tildes. It can integrate and be the main password manager on the phone, and it has a keyboard feature for putting...
I'll highly recommend KeepassDX for android. I heard about it from someone here on Tildes. It can integrate and be the main password manager on the phone, and it has a keyboard feature for putting in the password places where you can't or don't want to copy and paste.
Dropbox is ending support for their password manager. I started using it because I was already paying for Dropbox. They are offering members a discount on 1password. I am going to start using KeePass instead (with major files saved inside of Dropbox).
This is the 2nd thing that I have noticed dropbox ended this year (with Vault https://www.dropboxforum.com/discussions/101001017/dropbox-vault-will-be-discontinued/819599 in January).
I'm obviously a little worried about the company as a whole because I don't want to find another cloud service to move my files onto.
I use Bitwarden and I'm a fan due to the fact that it can be self-hosted if you prefer. I also use 1Password for work and have been impressed.
However, whatever the "right answer" is for a password manager, I also think there's a wrong answer, and that wrong answer is LastPass. Their breach disclosure history reflects a culture of carelessness, their UX felt ancient and as time went on only seemed to get the occasional displeasing-to-the-eye refresh spackled over a set of core functionality that was slowly decaying, and their extension seemed like it didn't work in most cases where it should.
When I deleted my LastPass account, the post-deletion message was a random internal error instead of a success message. Good riddance.
I love that every time someone starts talking about password vaults someones gotta show up to dunk on LastPass.
They suck and they deserve it. Literally had one job.
+1 for Bitwarden, and honestly I even switched from 1Password to it to save a few bucks, and I think I've had less issues/bugs than I had with 1Password. It has basically been bulletproof for me ever since signing up a few years ago. $10/year for Premium is great. Works great on all my devices, iOS, Linux, Mac. I think I had to fuss with it a bit on iOS to make it less annoying but other than that, no problems
Apparently Bitwarden has their own 2FA Authenticator now too which is nice
They have a standalone mobile authenticator app, and a totp authenticator that is integrated into their password manager. Some people don't like having their eggs in one basket which is perfectly valid.
Yep, I love self-hosted vaultwarden, and the price for bitwarden to host it isn't bad if you go that route.
I dropped lastpass after the first breach/leak. I've lost count of how many they've had since...
I probably should have too, but I’ll admit it took me until reading about the second breach to finally move away from them. Bitwarden seems to have a decent reputation and I’m satisfied with their free tier, so that’s where I’ve been for the last bunch of years.
I think the ultimate wrong answer is anything that can just be discontinued without your consent and you're left powerless.
Also Bitwarden is open source and was fully audited. And a paid membership is 12$/year if you’d rather not self host and need the paid features
Haven’t tried Bitwarden yet, but though 1Password remains solid, I’ve nonetheless been increasingly disappointed with it. On my work machine I use the latest version (which is an Electron app) but on my personal machine I’m holding onto 1Password 7 (which is the last version that had a true native Mac app) for dear life. The Electron version has consistently been more buggy/glitchy and more corporate-sterile. Flipping between the two versions is almost unsettling, it’s like watching its soul getting sucked out.
There are other password managers with real native Mac apps, but they’re Apple platform exclusives which doesn’t feel great. Ironically one of the better options now is Apple’s own iCloud-backed Passwords app, which at least offers browser extensions for Windows.
KeePass is great, and I use a similar setup with Dropbox for syncing. Though I would suggest using its cousin, KeePassXC, for a sleeker UI and cross-platform support (Linux, Windows). It also supports storing TOTP keys.
On Android, I use Keepass2Android. They sync well, but I try to only write new entries when other databases are closed.
I'll second KeePassXC as the go-to desktop app for managing KeePass databases. It also has a browser extension.
I'll also recommend KeePassium on iOS. It fully leverages Apple's password management APIs so you get the same features you expect from the built in password manager and all the other big players like LastPass and 1Password.
I've found that Dropbox does a pretty good job of making conflicted copies (instead of overwriting the conflicted changes) when I accidentally make modifications from two places. That usually happens because Dropbox on my phone doesn't sync if the app isn't open. When I'm back on my computer, I use the synchronize feature on Keep ass to merge them back in.
There is a setting in KeePassXC to make it play nicer with cloud storage systems like Dropbox. It's the "use alternative saving method" setting under File Management.
Nice, I'll check it out!
I just downloaded it and a plugin to synch it in my browser. It's sleek. I'm going to figure out how to add TOTP keys into it tonight :)
This is perfect timing having read this and related comments....
I have been using keepass for years (happily) - both on desktop and syncing the Db file around! However, now my partner and our kid might begin to use it/share it too - since we're trying to centralize and better organize our family logins. But, my fear is that while i am diligent in closing the DB, i am fearful of my family not being as diligent, and fear what happens with conflicts and such....I've started testing bitwarden's mobile app...and while the UI is ok, it actually runs kind sluggish. I mean, its not terrible or anything, but does leave some to be desired. It would of course immediatley meet the need, and my understanding is that its designed for synching, and sharing...but, am i being too overfearful about keepass unnecessarily about the possiblity of conflicts? I don't know anyione else in my sphere who uses keepass...an d i do hear other folks happily use bitwarden....so any other feedback to share - at least on sharing a keepass DB with more than 1 person? Thanks!
You can configure KeePass (and XC) to automatically close the database, either when minimized or after a period of inactivity. While that might solve the majority of syncing issues, I think it would be frustrating for users to need to constantly unlock it again.
For your use case, a hosted BitWarden plan probably still makes the most sense. The UI will be a little more accessible, and non-techies won't have to spend as much time thinking about it. They have a personal plan for Families, which I understand includes some sharing features (eg. grown ups have access to bills), and personal vaults for each members.
While I don't use BitWarden myself, I've heard only good things about the service from those I trust. It seems a better fit for collaborative use than KeePass is.
I appreciate your feedback! And, yeah, i'm leaning towards a paid bitwarden plan...because while it might seem that asking my family to keep closing the keepass DB is not a big deal...i think its just enough friction. Thanks again!
I am not sure how technically inclined you are. But if you are looking for something you manage yourself this feels like it might be a good use case for self hosted vaultwarden. Keeping KeePass vaults in sync is tricky enough with one person using it let alone more.
Though it also depends on how often you save things to it.
Appreciate your feedback! I already self-host a few other services, so to add vaultwarden would be a straight-forward thing (not technically tough, but I'd prefer not to due to lack of bandwidth, etc.). And, yeah, my biggest fear is the perceived "touchy" nature of trying to keep Keepass DB file in sync across a couple of users...hence, now reviewing a few comments on this thread, i'm seriously leaning towards a paid bitwarden plan. (Of course like in other areas of my life, if i become dismayed by such paid plans, as you noted, i always do have the option to host things myself ;-) Anyway, thanks again!
KeePass is nice in theory, but last I looked at it, there was a bit of game of music chairs going on with the “best” actively maintained client for each platform which was more than I felt like keeping up with. Maybe that’s improved, though.
I'll highly recommend KeepassDX for android. I heard about it from someone here on Tildes. It can integrate and be the main password manager on the phone, and it has a keyboard feature for putting in the password places where you can't or don't want to copy and paste.