For fun I decide to read the court transcript: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70036390/31/proven-industries-inc-v-trevor-mcnally/ And while there are a few gems in it that aren't mentioned...
And while there are a few gems in it that aren't mentioned in the Ars article, like the fact that Ron Lee, Proven's CEO, is not just a triple felon, but one previously convicted of felony witness tampering. However, this funny little interaction between the Judge and Proven's lawyer at the end was my favorite part:
THE COURT: ... How much time do you need to file the Amended Complaint you'd like to file now?
MR. FAHEY: 14 days, seven days, whichever Your Honor sees as reasonable.
THE COURT: Lawyers can't do anything in seven days, that's been my --
MR. FAHEY: 30 days.
THE COURT: All right. The Court will give you 21 days to file the Amended Complaint ...
cfabbro, you do not know how much you've just made my day, my lovely Canadian friend. I LOVE court proceedings, jury duty, and law. One of my first formative books was the literal, unabridged,...
cfabbro, you do not know how much you've just made my day, my lovely Canadian friend.
I LOVE court proceedings, jury duty, and law. One of my first formative books was the literal, unabridged, court transcripts of the Lizzie Borden trial. If I could volunteer for jury duty I would. You've given me 129 pages of absolute entertainment tonight and I love you for it.
Hah, me too! Although not the jury duty part, due to my panic disorder. I can't think of many worse places to have a panic attack than in a court of law. ;) But I do love a good courtroom drama,...
Hah, me too! Although not the jury duty part, due to my panic disorder. I can't think of many worse places to have a panic attack than in a court of law. ;) But I do love a good courtroom drama, and reading court transcripts. There are often some pretty funny moments hidden in them, especially because of how low most Judges tolerance for bullshit is. I even watched the Depp v Heard defamation trial almost in its entirety because of how fascinating I found it. :)
Just finished reading it all. Delightful. I've been called to jury duty a handful of times, all but once was dismissed before selection even occurred, and the one time I got to selection I was at...
Just finished reading it all. Delightful.
I've been called to jury duty a handful of times, all but once was dismissed before selection even occurred, and the one time I got to selection I was at the back of the room with zero chance of actually getting on the jury.
Of the times I've needed to go to court, I usually make it a point to show up early and stay late if I can, just to watch the other cases. Great people watching; one of the last times a guy was defending himself (someone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client and counsel) for a public drunkenness charge. It went as well as you can imagine.
🤦 Hah, oof, I bet. Speaking of people representing themselves, I don't know if it still exists, but during COVID I used to watch this awesome US Judge who streamed his courtroom on YouTube. There...
one of the last times a guy was defending himself (someone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client and counsel) for a public drunkenness charge. It went as well as you can imagine.
🤦 Hah, oof, I bet. Speaking of people representing themselves, I don't know if it still exists, but during COVID I used to watch this awesome US Judge who streamed his courtroom on YouTube. There wasn't often lawyers involved in the cases since it was just a Municipal court where regular people typically sat before the judge for all sorts of minor offenses and claims. I actually quite enjoyed watching that too for similar reasons, seeing the good and bad side of people representing themselves.
Edit: Found it. Caught In Providence. And awww, damn, that really sucks; It doesn't exist anymore... because the judge actually died earlier this year. :(
Aw, nooo! Caught in Providence was one of my favourite YouTube channels. I was wondering about the lack of uploads, but I thought they were just taking a break. :( If I remember correctly, one of...
Aw, nooo! Caught in Providence was one of my favourite YouTube channels. I was wondering about the lack of uploads, but I thought they were just taking a break. :(
If I remember correctly, one of Judge Caprio's sons is also an attorney, so maybe there's a chance he'll take up his father's legacy, become a judge, and reboot the YouTube channel at some point. Who knows... :)
Funnily enough, now that YouTube has this collaboration feature to assign multiple channels to the same video, it looks like they've started reuploading to Caught In Providence last week and...
Aw, that made me sad (in a good way though). It's nice to see Judge Caprio touched so many lives in such a positive way. Thanks for sharing it, and the ping.
Aw, that made me sad (in a good way though). It's nice to see Judge Caprio touched so many lives in such a positive way. Thanks for sharing it, and the ping.
Whoa, talk about a small world. While watching the Cardi B trial, I suddenly realized that I actually recognized Cardi B's OBGYN, who testified in support of her side of the story. It's Dr Finke!...
Whoa, talk about a small world. While watching the Cardi B trial, I suddenly realized that I actually recognized Cardi B's OBGYN, who testified in support of her side of the story. It's Dr Finke! He's Daniel Tosh's wife's OBGYN as well, delivered both their children, and was interviewed on Tosh's podcast last year:
Apparently he wasn't her regular OB, just someone she was referred to while she was in town (by other privacy minded celebs I'm sure) so she could get checked. I don't think I knew that Daniel...
Apparently he wasn't her regular OB, just someone she was referred to while she was in town (by other privacy minded celebs I'm sure) so she could get checked.
I don't think I knew that Daniel Tosh was like.... Around still lol. Dr Finke took no shit from the plaintiff's lawyer at the trial though
Heh, yeah, Tosh is still around. He still does pretty huge tours, and has the podcast now too. I used to love Tosh.0, and I've always really liked him as a comedian. He's "edgy" but unlike most...
Heh, yeah, Tosh is still around. He still does pretty huge tours, and has the podcast now too. I used to love Tosh.0, and I've always really liked him as a comedian. He's "edgy" but unlike most other "edgy" comedians he's not mean spirited about it at all. And it also helps that despite his trollish jokester facade, he's actually a fellow "woke lefty" who cares about other people's feelings and supports LGBTQ+ rights too.
That's cool, he was never really my vibe, I watched him some when I was younger but I didn't have strong feelings. Just someone I hadn't thought about in decades! I may try him out now.
That's cool, he was never really my vibe, I watched him some when I was younger but I didn't have strong feelings. Just someone I hadn't thought about in decades! I may try him out now.
Definitely check out the Dr. Finke episode if you want to give Tosh's podcast a try. It's a great episode, and indicative of his interview style. He occasionally has famous-ish people on too, but...
Definitely check out the Dr. Finke episode if you want to give Tosh's podcast a try. It's a great episode, and indicative of his interview style. He occasionally has famous-ish people on too, but it's mostly just "regular" people like Finke that he finds interesting and wanted to interview.
I did not, but I also don't know who a "Cardi B" is either (will do a search after). Assume they are a celebrity of some sort, which I overall ignore any and all news about.
I did not, but I also don't know who a "Cardi B" is either (will do a search after). Assume they are a celebrity of some sort, which I overall ignore any and all news about.
She's a singer, I don't follow her, just enough lawyers to get exposed to clips from the trial since it was aired. It was an enjoyable watch. I suspect reading it would go similarly well.
She's a singer, I don't follow her, just enough lawyers to get exposed to clips from the trial since it was aired. It was an enjoyable watch. I suspect reading it would go similarly well.
Jeez Louise. Just some light, age-appropriate literature, I see. Without having actually paid attention to it when it was happening, I second the Cardi B testimony recommendation, but you've got...
One of my first formative books was the literal, unabridged, court transcripts of the Lizzie Borden trial.
Jeez Louise. Just some light, age-appropriate literature, I see.
Without having actually paid attention to it when it was happening, I second the Cardi B testimony recommendation, but you've got to actually watch some of it at least. Cardi is such a character, you have to see her facial expressions and hear the full Bronx accent to truly appreciate the hilarity of it.
How could he possibly think that texting someone's phone could de-escalate the situation?? I had to pause there because that just blew me away. Even if he had texted McNally instead of his wife,...
The next day, Lee texted McNally’s wife. The message itself was apparently Lee’s attempt to de-escalate things; he says he thought the number belonged to McNally, and the message itself was unobjectionable.
How could he possibly think that texting someone's phone could de-escalate the situation?? I had to pause there because that just blew me away. Even if he had texted McNally instead of his wife, just getting his phone number is alarming.
That aside, I saw the videos as they were released so I knew about the basics and the impending court case. The comments were full of people laughing, me included because... Well, McNally works with The Lockpicking Lawyer. Can't think of a better expert to consult for a court case like this, he'd probably already done research in anticipation of similar claims.
Still good to read a full breakdown and the resolution. The article gives me the impression that Ron Lee was the main instigator, with his employees having to scramble to try to mitigate the backlash. Like the article notes, the video response was pretty professional in tone and could've left off the exchange on a high note. Lee was the one who messaged McNally first with threats, and the court filing felt like just trying to assauge someone's bruised ego.
That said, it's still a bit unsettling to see how McNally's fanbase doxxed Lee's phone number and harassed him and his family (who threatens a freaking child!?). After that, I totally understand why Proven's witnesses were wary of backlash. Even if McNally didn't encourage or condone it, large fanbases can be terrifying when they single someone out as an enemy. I'm also a bit uneasy at how the court opened with the line about thinking Proven's lawyer said his name was "No Idea". The court and judge seemed biased against Proven from the start—which, while Proven didn't have a leg to stand on and the judge probably saw through it as a frivolous case even before reaching the courtroom, just feels a bit bad to me after the actions of McNally's fanbase.
Though I wonder what sealing the case would even accomplish, seeing as we apparently already have that line available on the internet.
After reading the headline, I immediately started laughing at the thought of the Lockpicking Lawyer getting sued. I was a bit disappointed it wasn't him, just for the abstract humor of it....
After reading the headline, I immediately started laughing at the thought of the Lockpicking Lawyer getting sued. I was a bit disappointed it wasn't him, just for the abstract humor of it. Although of course I don't wish frivolous lawsuits on people.
Oh I thought I did read it to the end. Can't tell sometimes I guess cause the ads come in and make you think you're at the end. That's good they dropped it. I'd like to believe they wouldn't have...
Oh I thought I did read it to the end. Can't tell sometimes I guess cause the ads come in and make you think you're at the end.
That's good they dropped it. I'd like to believe they wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning anyway, but who knows with how things are these days
For fun I decide to read the court transcript:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70036390/31/proven-industries-inc-v-trevor-mcnally/
And while there are a few gems in it that aren't mentioned in the Ars article, like the fact that Ron Lee, Proven's CEO, is not just a triple felon, but one previously convicted of felony witness tampering. However, this funny little interaction between the Judge and Proven's lawyer at the end was my favorite part:
cfabbro, you do not know how much you've just made my day, my lovely Canadian friend.
I LOVE court proceedings, jury duty, and law. One of my first formative books was the literal, unabridged, court transcripts of the Lizzie Borden trial. If I could volunteer for jury duty I would. You've given me 129 pages of absolute entertainment tonight and I love you for it.
Hah, me too! Although not the jury duty part, due to my panic disorder. I can't think of many worse places to have a panic attack than in a court of law. ;) But I do love a good courtroom drama, and reading court transcripts. There are often some pretty funny moments hidden in them, especially because of how low most Judges tolerance for bullshit is. I even watched the Depp v Heard defamation trial almost in its entirety because of how fascinating I found it. :)
Just finished reading it all. Delightful.
I've been called to jury duty a handful of times, all but once was dismissed before selection even occurred, and the one time I got to selection I was at the back of the room with zero chance of actually getting on the jury.
Of the times I've needed to go to court, I usually make it a point to show up early and stay late if I can, just to watch the other cases. Great people watching; one of the last times a guy was defending himself (someone who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client and counsel) for a public drunkenness charge. It went as well as you can imagine.
🤦 Hah, oof, I bet. Speaking of people representing themselves, I don't know if it still exists, but during COVID I used to watch this awesome US Judge who streamed his courtroom on YouTube. There wasn't often lawyers involved in the cases since it was just a Municipal court where regular people typically sat before the judge for all sorts of minor offenses and claims. I actually quite enjoyed watching that too for similar reasons, seeing the good and bad side of people representing themselves.
Edit: Found it. Caught In Providence. And awww, damn, that really sucks; It doesn't exist anymore... because the judge actually died earlier this year. :(
CBC - Judge Frank Caprio, known online as the 'nicest judge in the world,' dead at 88
Aw, nooo! Caught in Providence was one of my favourite YouTube channels. I was wondering about the lack of uploads, but I thought they were just taking a break. :(
If I remember correctly, one of Judge Caprio's sons is also an attorney, so maybe there's a chance he'll take up his father's legacy, become a judge, and reboot the YouTube channel at some point. Who knows... :)
Funnily enough, now that YouTube has this collaboration feature to assign multiple channels to the same video, it looks like they've started reuploading to Caught In Providence last week and connecting it to Judge Caprio's personal channel as well.
cc: @cfabbro
Aw, that made me sad (in a good way though). It's nice to see Judge Caprio touched so many lives in such a positive way. Thanks for sharing it, and the ping.
There are a couple of judges who've become internet famous for being live streamed and being decent dudes but I did enjoy Judge Caprio.
Did you watch the recent Cardi B trial. It was very enjoyable in a "she worked the jury and the plaintiff's lawyer was an idiot" sort of way
Whoa, talk about a small world. While watching the Cardi B trial, I suddenly realized that I actually recognized Cardi B's OBGYN, who testified in support of her side of the story. It's Dr Finke! He's Daniel Tosh's wife's OBGYN as well, delivered both their children, and was interviewed on Tosh's podcast last year:
My Wife's Gynecologist - Dr. Finke | Tosh Show
(highly recommended watch, Dr. Finke is really funny)
cc: @culturedleftfoot
Apparently he wasn't her regular OB, just someone she was referred to while she was in town (by other privacy minded celebs I'm sure) so she could get checked.
I don't think I knew that Daniel Tosh was like.... Around still lol. Dr Finke took no shit from the plaintiff's lawyer at the trial though
Heh, yeah, Tosh is still around. He still does pretty huge tours, and has the podcast now too. I used to love Tosh.0, and I've always really liked him as a comedian. He's "edgy" but unlike most other "edgy" comedians he's not mean spirited about it at all. And it also helps that despite his trollish jokester facade, he's actually a fellow "woke lefty" who cares about other people's feelings and supports LGBTQ+ rights too.
That's cool, he was never really my vibe, I watched him some when I was younger but I didn't have strong feelings. Just someone I hadn't thought about in decades! I may try him out now.
Definitely check out the Dr. Finke episode if you want to give Tosh's podcast a try. It's a great episode, and indicative of his interview style. He occasionally has famous-ish people on too, but it's mostly just "regular" people like Finke that he finds interesting and wanted to interview.
Some other ones I've really enjoyed:
My Favorite Hallmark Christmas Movie Actor - Luke Macfarlane | Tosh Show
My Favorite Boy Band Cover Group - Travis Nesbitt | Tosh Show
My Favorite Drag Queen - Rock M. Sakura | Tosh Show
My Snake Expert - Danielle Wall | Tosh Show
My Fashion Designer - KidSuper | Tosh Show
My Favorite Cartoonist - Ivan Ehlers | Tosh Show
My Grillz Maker - Alligator Jesus | Tosh Show
My Wife - Carly Tosh | Tosh Show
Appreciate the recs!
I did not, but I also don't know who a "Cardi B" is either (will do a search after). Assume they are a celebrity of some sort, which I overall ignore any and all news about.
She's a singer, I don't follow her, just enough lawyers to get exposed to clips from the trial since it was aired. It was an enjoyable watch. I suspect reading it would go similarly well.
Jeez Louise. Just some light, age-appropriate literature, I see.
Without having actually paid attention to it when it was happening, I second the Cardi B testimony recommendation, but you've got to actually watch some of it at least. Cardi is such a character, you have to see her facial expressions and hear the full Bronx accent to truly appreciate the hilarity of it.
And was found in my 4th grade school library! Good times.
How could he possibly think that texting someone's phone could de-escalate the situation?? I had to pause there because that just blew me away. Even if he had texted McNally instead of his wife, just getting his phone number is alarming.
That aside, I saw the videos as they were released so I knew about the basics and the impending court case. The comments were full of people laughing, me included because... Well, McNally works with The Lockpicking Lawyer. Can't think of a better expert to consult for a court case like this, he'd probably already done research in anticipation of similar claims.
Still good to read a full breakdown and the resolution. The article gives me the impression that Ron Lee was the main instigator, with his employees having to scramble to try to mitigate the backlash. Like the article notes, the video response was pretty professional in tone and could've left off the exchange on a high note. Lee was the one who messaged McNally first with threats, and the court filing felt like just trying to assauge someone's bruised ego.
That said, it's still a bit unsettling to see how McNally's fanbase doxxed Lee's phone number and harassed him and his family (who threatens a freaking child!?). After that, I totally understand why Proven's witnesses were wary of backlash. Even if McNally didn't encourage or condone it, large fanbases can be terrifying when they single someone out as an enemy. I'm also a bit uneasy at how the court opened with the line about thinking Proven's lawyer said his name was "No Idea". The court and judge seemed biased against Proven from the start—which, while Proven didn't have a leg to stand on and the judge probably saw through it as a frivolous case even before reaching the courtroom, just feels a bit bad to me after the actions of McNally's fanbase.
Though I wonder what sealing the case would even accomplish, seeing as we apparently already have that line available on the internet.
After reading the headline, I immediately started laughing at the thought of the Lockpicking Lawyer getting sued. I was a bit disappointed it wasn't him, just for the abstract humor of it. Although of course I don't wish frivolous lawsuits on people.
Just went and watched the two videos, that's hilarious.
Hopefully the courts will fuck that company up for being idiots and trying to sue over this
Read the article to the end. Case was dropped.
Oh I thought I did read it to the end. Can't tell sometimes I guess cause the ads come in and make you think you're at the end.
That's good they dropped it. I'd like to believe they wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning anyway, but who knows with how things are these days
What a delight. That made my day. Thank you for sharing it!