While sabotage can always happens, the fact that he doesn't disclose the person in the e-mails and the following paragraph makes me think he's just pandering for his fanboys. Like wtf, $TSLA go up...
While sabotage can always happens, the fact that he doesn't disclose the person in the e-mails and the following paragraph makes me think he's just pandering for his fanboys.
As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of Tesla advancing the progress of solar power & electric cars. Don't want to blow your mind, but rumor has it that those companies are sometimes not super nice. Then there are the multitude of big gas/diesel car company competitors. If they're willing to cheat so much about emissions, maybe they're willing to cheat in other ways?
Like wtf, $TSLA go up and down all the time, people love to speculate on $TSLA. If anything, they should be worried about automakers actually making progress with electric cars that will soon surpass get on parity with Tesla. There was a carshow in China that was filled with electric cars. People want electric cars. The market wants electric cars.
Honestly, Elon can do better than this. I can admire his efforts to launch people on space and all his progressive businesses, but not his twitter statements or fanboy shit.
I think you’re editorializing a bit. If other automakers were actually interested in this, why are they following Tesla’s lead? Why not go all electric first? Why are they not investing in...
I think you’re editorializing a bit.
If anything, they should be worried about automakers actually making progress with electric cars that will soon surpass get on parity with Tesla.
If other automakers were actually interested in this, why are they following Tesla’s lead? Why not go all electric first? Why are they not investing in charging infrastructure so that EVs will be as useful as non-EVs? I just don’t buy it. I don’t see leadership from the other car companies. I see “me-toos” that want to hedge their bets.
There was a carshow in China that was filled with electric cars. People want electric cars. The market wants electric cars.
I don’t really care about car shows. I want affordable EVs on the road. Not car show floors. That’s kind of the reason why Tesla’s under so much pressure to get Model 3 production ramped up. I’m rooting for Tesla because their vision is a good one. If Tesla succeeds, it seems like humanity will benefit from that success. Better battery tech? A network of charging stations? Solar shingles? A decentralized, more resilient power grid (esp. in places where there isn’t even a grid today)? Why would you be against these things? I’m not rooting for Ford, VW, etc. because I don’t even know exactly what their vision is (and that’s a fundamental problem).
sort of off-topic, but could you explain this? I just picked some of the text from TechCrunch to comment. You're right, they are following Tesla's lead, but if Tesla don't scale too fast, they...
I think you’re editorializing a bit.
sort of off-topic, but could you explain this? I just picked some of the text from TechCrunch to comment.
If other automakers were actually interested in this, why are they following Tesla’s lead? Why not go all electric first? Why are they not investing in charging infrastructure so that EVs will be as useful as non-EVs? I just don’t buy it. I don’t see leadership from the other car companies. I see “me-toos” that want to hedge their bets.
You're right, they are following Tesla's lead, but if Tesla don't scale too fast, they will have more problem. Also, some countries have electric cars already, like Japan.
About the car shows, what I mean is that they're probably going to launch soon. And Tesla should obviously be worried about the competition.
By editorializing, I just meant to characterize your comment as opinionated—esp. the bit about pandering to fanboys. Nothing wrong with opinions, but since you quoted Musk’s email, and even...
By editorializing, I just meant to characterize your comment as opinionated—esp. the bit about pandering to fanboys. Nothing wrong with opinions, but since you quoted Musk’s email, and even bothered to bold a particular phrase, I’d expect some refutation of Musk’s claim rather than just opinions. Can you refute Musk’s claim that there are entities that are interested in Tesla failing? If not, why bother to emphasize that claim?
I'm pretty sure there'd be an SEC investigation if he was lying. It's just something you're not allowed to do when you're a public company, and it's fairly aggressively prosecuted.
While sabotage can always happens, the fact that he doesn't disclose the person in the e-mails and the following paragraph makes me think he's just pandering for his fanboys.
I'm pretty sure there'd be an SEC investigation if he was lying. It's just something you're not allowed to do when you're a public company, and it's fairly aggressively prosecuted.
Because Tesla is so 'super nice'? Worker's conditions are horrid in Tesla and SpaceX as far as I've read. And in this part about 'the progress of solar power & electric cars' he of course doesn't...
Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of Tesla advancing the progress of solar power & electric cars. Don't want to blow your mind, but rumor has it that those companies are sometimes not super nice.
Because Tesla is so 'super nice'? Worker's conditions are horrid in Tesla and SpaceX as far as I've read.
And in this part about 'the progress of solar power & electric cars' he of course doesn't mention how environmentally damaging the batteries' materials are.
I'm very sick of the cult of personality around this guy, he's a total asshole pretending to be a prophet or something, not unlike Steve Jobs... Relevant Bill Burr clip
Musk overworks his employees and is strongly against them unionizing, he's not progressive whatsoever. He's a 21st century robber baron who uses his persona as a cool benevolent futurist to make...
all his progressive businesses
Musk overworks his employees and is strongly against them unionizing, he's not progressive whatsoever. He's a 21st century robber baron who uses his persona as a cool benevolent futurist to make money.
Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that he's pushing for things like electric cars, solar grids, etc. That's what I meant by progressive. I know that there are problems with his employers, but...
Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that he's pushing for things like electric cars, solar grids, etc. That's what I meant by progressive. I know that there are problems with his employers, but I think this is a problem in the US as a whole, and not Musk's fault. Not entirely his fault anyway.
I know unions can get a lot of things for workers, but I can't say a lot coming from a country where so many unions just suck.
Because he doesn't want people ruining this person's life on the internet? I think he made the right call. As fucked up a thing as this person did, people on the internet can do infinitely more...
the fact that he doesn't disclose the person in the e-mails
Because he doesn't want people ruining this person's life on the internet? I think he made the right call. As fucked up a thing as this person did, people on the internet can do infinitely more fucked up things for really dumb reasons.
Unfortunately, he's proving, again and again, that no, he cannot do better than this. People do want electric cars, and Telsa did kickstart the "cool" electric car movement. But it doesn't look...
Unfortunately, he's proving, again and again, that no, he cannot do better than this.
People do want electric cars, and Telsa did kickstart the "cool" electric car movement. But it doesn't look good for them to stay on the top of the movement for long.
You're conveniently skipping the part where the email says, "...but what he has admitted to so far is pretty bad. His stated motivation is that he wanted a promotion that he did not receive." They...
You're conveniently skipping the part where the email says, "...but what he has admitted to so far is pretty bad. His stated motivation is that he wanted a promotion that he did not receive." They have the suspect and his confession.
Bit of a click-bait title Elon's email simply states "Could just be a random event, but as Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid survive." Please be on the alert for anything that's not in the best...
Bit of a click-bait title
Elon's email simply states "Could just be a random event, but as Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid survive." Please be on the alert for anything that's not in the best interests of our company."
His email does not reference "extensive and damaging sabotage by employee"
EDIT: I was looking at the wrong email, the email linked at the top of the article is from yesterday during the day, the email in question is at the bottom of the page and it is from last night.
Woops, I was looking at the email they linked to at the top, I guess in relation to a previous fire (although it's from yesterday, so I guess it was just a first email and then he sent a follow...
Woops, I was looking at the email they linked to at the top, I guess in relation to a previous fire (although it's from yesterday, so I guess it was just a first email and then he sent a follow up) but I read it as the email in question.
Here is the full e-mail about the most recent fire:
From: Elon Musk
To: Everybody
Subject: Some concerning news
June 18, 2018
9:38 a.m.
Late last night we had another strange incident that was hard to explain. Small fire on the body-in-white production line. No one was in the area and there were no injuries or significant equipment damage, but it was enough to stop the body production line for several hours.
Could just be a random event, but as Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid survive." Please be on the alert for anything that's not in the best interests of our company. If you aren't getting a response from the emdesk email, please send me a note directly.
Thanks,
Elon
While sabotage can always happens, the fact that he doesn't disclose the person in the e-mails and the following paragraph makes me think he's just pandering for his fanboys.
Like wtf, $TSLA go up and down all the time, people love to speculate on $TSLA. If anything, they should be worried about automakers actually making progress with electric cars that will soon surpass get on parity with Tesla. There was a carshow in China that was filled with electric cars. People want electric cars. The market wants electric cars.
Honestly, Elon can do better than this. I can admire his efforts to launch people on space and all his progressive businesses, but not his twitter statements or fanboy shit.
I think you’re editorializing a bit.
If other automakers were actually interested in this, why are they following Tesla’s lead? Why not go all electric first? Why are they not investing in charging infrastructure so that EVs will be as useful as non-EVs? I just don’t buy it. I don’t see leadership from the other car companies. I see “me-toos” that want to hedge their bets.
I don’t really care about car shows. I want affordable EVs on the road. Not car show floors. That’s kind of the reason why Tesla’s under so much pressure to get Model 3 production ramped up. I’m rooting for Tesla because their vision is a good one. If Tesla succeeds, it seems like humanity will benefit from that success. Better battery tech? A network of charging stations? Solar shingles? A decentralized, more resilient power grid (esp. in places where there isn’t even a grid today)? Why would you be against these things? I’m not rooting for Ford, VW, etc. because I don’t even know exactly what their vision is (and that’s a fundamental problem).
sort of off-topic, but could you explain this? I just picked some of the text from TechCrunch to comment.
You're right, they are following Tesla's lead, but if Tesla don't scale too fast, they will have more problem. Also, some countries have electric cars already, like Japan.
About the car shows, what I mean is that they're probably going to launch soon. And Tesla should obviously be worried about the competition.
I'm not.
By editorializing, I just meant to characterize your comment as opinionated—esp. the bit about pandering to fanboys. Nothing wrong with opinions, but since you quoted Musk’s email, and even bothered to bold a particular phrase, I’d expect some refutation of Musk’s claim rather than just opinions. Can you refute Musk’s claim that there are entities that are interested in Tesla failing? If not, why bother to emphasize that claim?
I'm pretty sure there'd be an SEC investigation if he was lying. It's just something you're not allowed to do when you're a public company, and it's fairly aggressively prosecuted.
TIL.
Because Tesla is so 'super nice'? Worker's conditions are horrid in Tesla and SpaceX as far as I've read.
And in this part about 'the progress of solar power & electric cars' he of course doesn't mention how environmentally damaging the batteries' materials are.
I'm very sick of the cult of personality around this guy, he's a total asshole pretending to be a prophet or something, not unlike Steve Jobs... Relevant Bill Burr clip
Musk overworks his employees and is strongly against them unionizing, he's not progressive whatsoever. He's a 21st century robber baron who uses his persona as a cool benevolent futurist to make money.
Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that he's pushing for things like electric cars, solar grids, etc. That's what I meant by progressive. I know that there are problems with his employers, but I think this is a problem in the US as a whole, and not Musk's fault. Not entirely his fault anyway.
I know unions can get a lot of things for workers, but I can't say a lot coming from a country where so many unions just suck.
Because he doesn't want people ruining this person's life on the internet? I think he made the right call. As fucked up a thing as this person did, people on the internet can do infinitely more fucked up things for really dumb reasons.
Unfortunately, he's proving, again and again, that no, he cannot do better than this.
People do want electric cars, and Telsa did kickstart the "cool" electric car movement. But it doesn't look good for them to stay on the top of the movement for long.
You're conveniently skipping the part where the email says, "...but what he has admitted to so far is pretty bad. His stated motivation is that he wanted a promotion that he did not receive." They have the suspect and his confession.
I apologize in advance. I couldn't resist. Futuristic Sabotage
It's too bad Musk didn't quote Sabotage. "I'm tellin' y'all it's sabotage!"
Bit of a click-bait title
Elon's email simply states "Could just be a random event, but as Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid survive." Please be on the alert for anything that's not in the best interests of our company."
His email does not reference "extensive and damaging sabotage by employee"
EDIT: I was looking at the wrong email, the email linked at the top of the article is from yesterday during the day, the email in question is at the bottom of the page and it is from last night.
Uhh, the first line of the email?
Woops, I was looking at the email they linked to at the top, I guess in relation to a previous fire (although it's from yesterday, so I guess it was just a first email and then he sent a follow up) but I read it as the email in question.