i cannot imagine this is going to work, although the separation of the best from the worst i suppose is a... "welcome"? development i'm sure for all the recreational 4chan users whose boards...
The remaining boards will all be shifted over to 4channel.org in what is apparently a bid to make the site for advertiser friendly.
i cannot imagine this is going to work, although the separation of the best from the worst i suppose is a... "welcome"? development i'm sure for all the recreational 4chan users whose boards regularly get assailed by /pol/ users or whatever. that said, i really don't think at this point you can separate 4chan from the highly NSFW, libertine, functionally do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want attitude that both the site itself and the community surrounding it exhibits--otherwise, it's literally not 4chan anymore. those are the defining features of the website. if you take them away, you have literally nothing but a half-baked service that looks and feels straight out of late nineties/early two-thousands web design with a community that's debatably one of the worst on the internet. who the fuck wants to use that?
I hope they require an email and account to join, subject the nsfw site to a redesign, and start pushing an app. I can only imagine how tasty the drama would be if they madeover 4chan into reddit.
I hope they require an email and account to join, subject the nsfw site to a redesign, and start pushing an app. I can only imagine how tasty the drama would be if they madeover 4chan into reddit.
I would imagine they are targeting reddits /r/4chan and /r/greentext or whatever it's called. Like all websites they had a chance, and they blew it a decade ago. But a tiger in a bag is still a...
I would imagine they are targeting reddits /r/4chan and /r/greentext or whatever it's called.
Like all websites they had a chance, and they blew it a decade ago. But a tiger in a bag is still a tiger and good luck painting that bagged tiger to look like a friendly pussycat.
As a frequent user of 4chan for the past decade or so, there's many shades of grey in what's allowed and what's actually normal that dramatically change how usable the website is. The site has...
As a frequent user of 4chan for the past decade or so, there's many shades of grey in what's allowed and what's actually normal that dramatically change how usable the website is. The site has always been home to a lot of people with awful views and been a place where they wouldn't get banned just for that, but it's been in a place for a few years now where those views are dominant in a way that the site's culture never approached before. /pol/ spilled over nearly everywhere. 4chan actually has rules that used to be enforced better, too. It's having a bit of a culture war, and "go back to /pol/" is nearly as common on /mu/ or /a/ or something as the awful human beings are.
What I'm trying to say is that 4chan will always be bad in some way, but it doesn't have to be as bad as it is right now. There's a large userbase that just wants the benefits of imageboards without having Nazis dominate everything and appealing to how the site used to be has a strong pull. There's a whole lot of ways you can have 4chan still be 4chan without leaving it in the state it is right now. A bit of distance from /pol/ is a good thing, even if it likely won't do too much on its own.
As someone who used to frequent /fit/ and /mu/, I agree. There was a change in the culture of 4chan around 2015-2016, where /pol/ and /r9k/ started to blow up in popularity. I think that a lot of...
As someone who used to frequent /fit/ and /mu/, I agree.
There was a change in the culture of 4chan around 2015-2016, where /pol/ and /r9k/ started to blow up in popularity. I think that a lot of teenagers started to flood the site around this time too. There was visible reduction in the quality of threads and replies. The dumbass memes from /r9k/ started to spill into other boards. I pretty much stopped visiting the site this year because it was insufferable at this point, 50% of the threads and replies were made by 17 year olds trying hard to fit in and replicate the old 4chan culture. Every board was full of 'boomer' and more recently 'NPC' memes, it was awful.
I don't know if this split will help at all for the regular user, because the damage is already done. The main demographic of 4chan is edgy teenagers now.
Yep. 4chan already had that reputation of "edginess" behind it. As such, it started getting filled with others who looked up to the edginess and wanted to be as edgy as possible to fit in, so it...
Yep. 4chan already had that reputation of "edginess" behind it. As such, it started getting filled with others who looked up to the edginess and wanted to be as edgy as possible to fit in, so it only became more edgy. 4chan became a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.
The concept of an (almost) anything goes discussion board might sound good on paper, but I think it's impossible to got the anarchy route without becoming a vile mess of edginess.
I really don't think that's the case. The "anything goes" mentality (which has also increased as of late, the hate was able to get a grip on other boards partially because actually staying on the...
I really don't think that's the case. The "anything goes" mentality (which has also increased as of late, the hate was able to get a grip on other boards partially because actually staying on the topic of the board you're on is much less enforced than it used to be) certainly allowed 4chan to get much worse, but I don't think it was a slow decline as more and more edgy kids joined the place that they saw as the place to be like that.
It seemed to me that it's more like a few major events that caused waves that made the site much worse, the most relevant to right now being /pol/ around the time of the US election. 4chan's site culture was always pretty conservative in that you couldn't really make waves and change things. You could be edgy, but the site as a whole wouldn't necessarily go along with you and if you didn't have anything to say along with it, you'd probably be made fun of. It was toxic as hell, but at least self-regulating and things didn't really slip downwards until you got huge waves of new activity, mostly surrounding /pol/.
4chan as a whole had problems and I don't want to pretend like it was some perfect place just because I happen to like using it, but I do think its current state comes from an exceptional shift and the exceptional circumstances that gave it relevancy in the world at large, not necessarily a core problem that inevitably would lead there.
That's the thing. The US election comes, and the site already has a right wing bias, so more and more right wingers will choose to go to 4chan to fit in. There was probably a time when the...
That's the thing. The US election comes, and the site already has a right wing bias, so more and more right wingers will choose to go to 4chan to fit in. There was probably a time when the alt-rightness was the vocal minority, but as more right wingers joined them became the vocal majority. It's gotten a lot worse but only because it was a mess in the first place, enabling it to.
A good chunk of the "SFW" boards would not be considered SFW by any reasonable metric. I wouldn't get caught dead browsing /co/ or /a/ at work. I don't think this will work well at all.
A good chunk of the "SFW" boards would not be considered SFW by any reasonable metric. I wouldn't get caught dead browsing /co/ or /a/ at work. I don't think this will work well at all.
Trying to 'clean up' or 'fix' 4chan is a contradiction. This is just asking the users to grief the fuck out of 4channel.org and they will, so there will be much popcorn to be had. 4chan is what it...
Trying to 'clean up' or 'fix' 4chan is a contradiction. This is just asking the users to grief the fuck out of 4channel.org and they will, so there will be much popcorn to be had. 4chan is what it is, and if the owners/admins think they can change it they are in for a surprise. You can't just snap your fingers and rewrite ten years of community cultural norms because you want to 'make money.' Worst case, the community will leave and start their own chan site that is free of meddling.
Part of me is a bit miffed they'd even try. 4chan has always been a shitshow, but it's a long running glorious shitshow of epic scale. I'd miss it if it went away.
i think the better example here might be 8chan, which took off because gamergate got pushed off of 4chan by administrative action. it didn't result in the founding of 8chan, but that repression...
i think the better example here might be 8chan, which took off because gamergate got pushed off of 4chan by administrative action. it didn't result in the founding of 8chan, but that repression caused a fairly large migration that kicked off the path to where 8chan is today, which is basically the purest distilling of the more/most radical people 4chan used to have in its ranks.
You're probably right. After about a year on 7chan, I left the *chan community as a whole, so I defer to your expertise here. Thanks for the explanation! :)
You're probably right. After about a year on 7chan, I left the *chan community as a whole, so I defer to your expertise here. Thanks for the explanation! :)
I've rather lost confidence in filters. A human can always outsmart a filter with about five second's thought, so they don't really hit their targets that well. Meanwhile the filter rules get so...
I've rather lost confidence in filters. A human can always outsmart a filter with about five second's thought, so they don't really hit their targets that well. Meanwhile the filter rules get so complex and unwieldy that they start whacking stuff from regular folks who aren't part of the fight, and that starts pissing off the regular users. It's all downhill from there.
Hiro just needs to nut up and say that he wants to get rid of /pol/ and /r9k/. That's it. Those two boards, especially /pol/, have been the bane of 4chan for a while and has completely polluted...
Hiro just needs to nut up and say that he wants to get rid of /pol/ and /r9k/.
That's it.
Those two boards, especially /pol/, have been the bane of 4chan for a while and has completely polluted the entire website. At this point, there's no way he can save this website due to how bad it is now, considering 4chan is one of the few websites left that still hold onto to the ideals of the "Wild West" era of the internet.
Besides, even if he goes through with this plan, the users will grief all the SFW boards out of spite.
4chan is shit, and always has been, but I do get some enjoyment out of the site. I'm really not looking forward to this. Hiroyuki seems to be after the cash here, and I dread that the blueboards...
4chan is shit, and always has been, but I do get some enjoyment out of the site. I'm really not looking forward to this. Hiroyuki seems to be after the cash here, and I dread that the blueboards will slowly turn in to a Digg V4 kind of deal with sponsored posts or social media integration or whatever. Maybe that's a reactionary fear, but I see this shit all over the web these days. I'm really not happy about this.
The imageboard format is much more appealing and while there's loads of hate in between, I find that I come across worthwhile threads on 4chan much more often. There's a feeling of community and...
The imageboard format is much more appealing and while there's loads of hate in between, I find that I come across worthwhile threads on 4chan much more often. There's a feeling of community and service to your community that isn't mirrored in many other places.
With getting settled into Tildes I shook up my usage for these kinds of sites. I went from mostly using Reddit and hanging out on 4chan on the side like I had been for a long time to dropping Reddit entirely and spending my time split between here, 4chan, and I'm trying to break into using Tumblr. It's a lot more satisfying and less of a strain on my mental health than Reddit was.
there are ways in which 4chan is better by default for some - no voting system, chronological view by default.. but you're right - it mostly attracts douches.
there are ways in which 4chan is better by default for some - no voting system, chronological view by default.. but you're right - it mostly attracts douches.
The non-nazis on 4chan are far more interesting than the people on any other community. The banter can be good too though people have been taking it much too seriously ever since the 2016 election...
The non-nazis on 4chan are far more interesting than the people on any other community. The banter can be good too though people have been taking it much too seriously ever since the 2016 election and even before with the rise of mobile phones.
This is kind of funny. How could anything even related to 4chan be advertiser friendly? SFW 4chan board is more recognizable to me as a one-liner joke.
This is kind of funny. How could anything even related to 4chan be advertiser friendly?
SFW 4chan board is more recognizable to me as a one-liner joke.
This is the single most insane idea to come out of 4chan. How could Hiro think this will work? 4chan has an extensive and well documented history of being the internet's worst yet most easily...
This is the single most insane idea to come out of 4chan. How could Hiro think this will work? 4chan has an extensive and well documented history of being the internet's worst yet most easily accessible cesspool on the internet. Just because you can split the boards doesn't mean you can split the people. 4chan has been largely untouched by external stimuli and as a result is much the same now as it was when it started. People who don't use 4chan will not start using it despite a "friendlier" version being available. There's too much history there. I won't even speak of the massive amount of shitposting that will happen on every board as a result of this.
Just fucking delete /pol/ and /r9k/, Hiro. For god's sake those 2 boards alone comprise 90% of 4chan's worst content.
i cannot imagine this is going to work, although the separation of the best from the worst i suppose is a... "welcome"? development i'm sure for all the recreational 4chan users whose boards regularly get assailed by /pol/ users or whatever. that said, i really don't think at this point you can separate 4chan from the highly NSFW, libertine, functionally do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want attitude that both the site itself and the community surrounding it exhibits--otherwise, it's literally not 4chan anymore. those are the defining features of the website. if you take them away, you have literally nothing but a half-baked service that looks and feels straight out of late nineties/early two-thousands web design with a community that's debatably one of the worst on the internet. who the fuck wants to use that?
I hope they require an email and account to join, subject the nsfw site to a redesign, and start pushing an app. I can only imagine how tasty the drama would be if they madeover 4chan into reddit.
I would imagine they are targeting reddits /r/4chan and /r/greentext or whatever it's called.
Like all websites they had a chance, and they blew it a decade ago. But a tiger in a bag is still a tiger and good luck painting that bagged tiger to look like a friendly pussycat.
As a frequent user of 4chan for the past decade or so, there's many shades of grey in what's allowed and what's actually normal that dramatically change how usable the website is. The site has always been home to a lot of people with awful views and been a place where they wouldn't get banned just for that, but it's been in a place for a few years now where those views are dominant in a way that the site's culture never approached before. /pol/ spilled over nearly everywhere. 4chan actually has rules that used to be enforced better, too. It's having a bit of a culture war, and "go back to /pol/" is nearly as common on /mu/ or /a/ or something as the awful human beings are.
What I'm trying to say is that 4chan will always be bad in some way, but it doesn't have to be as bad as it is right now. There's a large userbase that just wants the benefits of imageboards without having Nazis dominate everything and appealing to how the site used to be has a strong pull. There's a whole lot of ways you can have 4chan still be 4chan without leaving it in the state it is right now. A bit of distance from /pol/ is a good thing, even if it likely won't do too much on its own.
As someone who used to frequent /fit/ and /mu/, I agree.
There was a change in the culture of 4chan around 2015-2016, where /pol/ and /r9k/ started to blow up in popularity. I think that a lot of teenagers started to flood the site around this time too. There was visible reduction in the quality of threads and replies. The dumbass memes from /r9k/ started to spill into other boards. I pretty much stopped visiting the site this year because it was insufferable at this point, 50% of the threads and replies were made by 17 year olds trying hard to fit in and replicate the old 4chan culture. Every board was full of 'boomer' and more recently 'NPC' memes, it was awful.
I don't know if this split will help at all for the regular user, because the damage is already done. The main demographic of 4chan is edgy teenagers now.
Yep. 4chan already had that reputation of "edginess" behind it. As such, it started getting filled with others who looked up to the edginess and wanted to be as edgy as possible to fit in, so it only became more edgy. 4chan became a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.
The concept of an (almost) anything goes discussion board might sound good on paper, but I think it's impossible to got the anarchy route without becoming a vile mess of edginess.
I really don't think that's the case. The "anything goes" mentality (which has also increased as of late, the hate was able to get a grip on other boards partially because actually staying on the topic of the board you're on is much less enforced than it used to be) certainly allowed 4chan to get much worse, but I don't think it was a slow decline as more and more edgy kids joined the place that they saw as the place to be like that.
It seemed to me that it's more like a few major events that caused waves that made the site much worse, the most relevant to right now being /pol/ around the time of the US election. 4chan's site culture was always pretty conservative in that you couldn't really make waves and change things. You could be edgy, but the site as a whole wouldn't necessarily go along with you and if you didn't have anything to say along with it, you'd probably be made fun of. It was toxic as hell, but at least self-regulating and things didn't really slip downwards until you got huge waves of new activity, mostly surrounding /pol/.
4chan as a whole had problems and I don't want to pretend like it was some perfect place just because I happen to like using it, but I do think its current state comes from an exceptional shift and the exceptional circumstances that gave it relevancy in the world at large, not necessarily a core problem that inevitably would lead there.
That's the thing. The US election comes, and the site already has a right wing bias, so more and more right wingers will choose to go to 4chan to fit in. There was probably a time when the alt-rightness was the vocal minority, but as more right wingers joined them became the vocal majority. It's gotten a lot worse but only because it was a mess in the first place, enabling it to.
A good chunk of the "SFW" boards would not be considered SFW by any reasonable metric. I wouldn't get caught dead browsing /co/ or /a/ at work. I don't think this will work well at all.
Trying to 'clean up' or 'fix' 4chan is a contradiction. This is just asking the users to grief the fuck out of 4channel.org and they will, so there will be much popcorn to be had. 4chan is what it is, and if the owners/admins think they can change it they are in for a surprise. You can't just snap your fingers and rewrite ten years of community cultural norms because you want to 'make money.' Worst case, the community will leave and start their own chan site that is free of meddling.
Part of me is a bit miffed they'd even try. 4chan has always been a shitshow, but it's a long running glorious shitshow of epic scale. I'd miss it if it went away.
It's almost like this has happened before
i think the better example here might be 8chan, which took off because gamergate got pushed off of 4chan by administrative action. it didn't result in the founding of 8chan, but that repression caused a fairly large migration that kicked off the path to where 8chan is today, which is basically the purest distilling of the more/most radical people 4chan used to have in its ranks.
You're probably right. After about a year on 7chan, I left the *chan community as a whole, so I defer to your expertise here. Thanks for the explanation! :)
wow - I had never heard of that.
I've rather lost confidence in filters. A human can always outsmart a filter with about five second's thought, so they don't really hit their targets that well. Meanwhile the filter rules get so complex and unwieldy that they start whacking stuff from regular folks who aren't part of the fight, and that starts pissing off the regular users. It's all downhill from there.
Hiro just needs to nut up and say that he wants to get rid of /pol/ and /r9k/.
That's it.
Those two boards, especially /pol/, have been the bane of 4chan for a while and has completely polluted the entire website. At this point, there's no way he can save this website due to how bad it is now, considering 4chan is one of the few websites left that still hold onto to the ideals of the "Wild West" era of the internet.
Besides, even if he goes through with this plan, the users will grief all the SFW boards out of spite.
4chan is shit, and always has been, but I do get some enjoyment out of the site. I'm really not looking forward to this. Hiroyuki seems to be after the cash here, and I dread that the blueboards will slowly turn in to a Digg V4 kind of deal with sponsored posts or social media integration or whatever. Maybe that's a reactionary fear, but I see this shit all over the web these days. I'm really not happy about this.
It will make absolutely no difference to me at all, although I won't shed any tears if this heralds the eventual demise of 4chan in its entirety.
The imageboard format is much more appealing and while there's loads of hate in between, I find that I come across worthwhile threads on 4chan much more often. There's a feeling of community and service to your community that isn't mirrored in many other places.
With getting settled into Tildes I shook up my usage for these kinds of sites. I went from mostly using Reddit and hanging out on 4chan on the side like I had been for a long time to dropping Reddit entirely and spending my time split between here, 4chan, and I'm trying to break into using Tumblr. It's a lot more satisfying and less of a strain on my mental health than Reddit was.
there are ways in which 4chan is better by default for some - no voting system, chronological view by default.. but you're right - it mostly attracts douches.
The non-nazis on 4chan are far more interesting than the people on any other community. The banter can be good too though people have been taking it much too seriously ever since the 2016 election and even before with the rise of mobile phones.
They got some fantastic wallpapers over there on /wg/. Homescreen threads can be fun to participate in, too, if you're into that.
I only go to bask in the perpetual shitshow on every single board.
This is kind of funny. How could anything even related to 4chan be advertiser friendly?
SFW 4chan board is more recognizable to me as a one-liner joke.
This is the single most insane idea to come out of 4chan. How could Hiro think this will work? 4chan has an extensive and well documented history of being the internet's worst yet most easily accessible cesspool on the internet. Just because you can split the boards doesn't mean you can split the people. 4chan has been largely untouched by external stimuli and as a result is much the same now as it was when it started. People who don't use 4chan will not start using it despite a "friendlier" version being available. There's too much history there. I won't even speak of the massive amount of shitposting that will happen on every board as a result of this.
Just fucking delete /pol/ and /r9k/, Hiro. For god's sake those 2 boards alone comprise 90% of 4chan's worst content.