Yeah, surprisingly for $250 it looks like it might just be the single best option out there at the moment... and apparently all the hardware in them works just fine under Linux too, which makes it...
The trackpad issue might be a deal-breaker for me too, since that would personally drive me nuts, but this review is actually the only one I have seen mention it... so it's entirely possible Linus just got unlucky and got a bad trackpad. And the only other problem I have read about with the Motile laptops so far was a couple people on reddit complaining about bricking them when they updated the BIOS, and so having to return them. But anyone with IT experience knows how temperamental BIOS updates can be, and how easy they are to botch, so I dunno how much weight I really put on those accounts.
I much prefer mice to trackpads as well, but sometimes there just isn't space for them so having a functioning trackpad is kinda necessary. I prefer trackpoint nubs to trackpads too, but sadly not...
I much prefer mice to trackpads as well, but sometimes there just isn't space for them so having a functioning trackpad is kinda necessary. I prefer trackpoint nubs to trackpads too, but sadly not many laptop manufacturers besides Lenovo seem to include them nowadays.
My old roommate used a trackball instead of a mouse for his desktop computer, and was so good with it he could actually play Startcraft and other online RTS games at highly competitive levels...
My old roommate used a trackball instead of a mouse for his desktop computer, and was so good with it he could actually play Startcraft and other online RTS games at highly competitive levels using it. But me? Whenever something went wrong with his comp and he needed my help to fix it, I would often try to use his trackball at first... but I would always inevitably give up after only a few minutes due to the sheer frustration it caused me, and then go grab one of my spare mice instead. :P
Have you looked at the Chromebook Pixel at all? Especially now that they can run Linux and Android apps, they're a great. They have a stylus for drawing too.
Have you looked at the Chromebook Pixel at all? Especially now that they can run Linux and Android apps, they're a great. They have a stylus for drawing too.
Well it is open-source. You can always review the code, or look at reports from others that have. Definitely more confidence then you'd get running a closed OS.
Well it is open-source. You can always review the code, or look at reports from others that have.
Definitely more confidence then you'd get running a closed OS.
I thought Chrome & Chrome OS were mixed source? The base being open source (Chromium) and the Google bits on top being closed source. Might be wrong there though
I thought Chrome & Chrome OS were mixed source? The base being open source (Chromium) and the Google bits on top being closed source. Might be wrong there though
That's true. I don't know exactly which parts are closed, but I'd guess it's those that connect to Google services. So login features, crash reporter, that sort of thing. Though everything else -...
That's true. I don't know exactly which parts are closed, but I'd guess it's those that connect to Google services. So login features, crash reporter, that sort of thing.
Though everything else - the renderer, Javascript engine, all the meaty bits are open.
Damn. I bought my laptop for uni work mostly, gaming was secondary considerations. If I had that among my choices, fuck yeah I would've gotten that one. I don't even use trackpad, and screen...
Damn. I bought my laptop for uni work mostly, gaming was secondary considerations. If I had that among my choices, fuck yeah I would've gotten that one. I don't even use trackpad, and screen brightness, while better is to be desired, is not a deal breaker for such a price.
I agree that screen brightness isn't as important for a $250 laptop, but I still think there's a minimum threshold for usability. It seems like it would be almost unusable in any sort of bright...
screen brightness, while better is to be desired, is not a deal breaker for such a price.
I agree that screen brightness isn't as important for a $250 laptop, but I still think there's a minimum threshold for usability. It seems like it would be almost unusable in any sort of bright lighting.
What sort of situations can you envision where this is a concern? I can only think of a few. The library for the uni I was studying at had overhead lights. Could be an issue if you're sitting...
What sort of situations can you envision where this is a concern?
I can only think of a few. The library for the uni I was studying at had overhead lights. Could be an issue if you're sitting under one of those with your screen open wide forward. Or, I dunno, working while someone points a flashlight at the screen?
If you’re outside I could see it being a problem. A lot of students like to hang out in the courtyard at the college I went to and do their work while enjoying the nice weather.
If you’re outside I could see it being a problem. A lot of students like to hang out in the courtyard at the college I went to and do their work while enjoying the nice weather.
Every Linus Tech video feels like a goodbye now. I love the channel just for nerd entertainment, almost none of the videos are of real use for me. I just like to see weirdly charismatic people...
Every Linus Tech video feels like a goodbye now. I love the channel just for nerd entertainment, almost none of the videos are of real use for me. I just like to see weirdly charismatic people behave like human beings while conveying highly accurate information about technology.
The channels will most certainly remain good after his retirement, but Linus is not just a force in front of the camera. Some things are bound to change.
I totally agree. It's fun just to watch them goofing around with technology. There's often not a lot of substance to their videos anymore (although they occasionally do a deep dive) but almost all...
I totally agree. It's fun just to watch them goofing around with technology. There's often not a lot of substance to their videos anymore (although they occasionally do a deep dive) but almost all of Anthony's videos are very informative.
Anthony is my fav for exactly that reason. I'm really glad to see him in more and more videos lately, and hope the trend continues as Linus begins taking more of a backseat.
Anthony is my fav for exactly that reason. I'm really glad to see him in more and more videos lately, and hope the trend continues as Linus begins taking more of a backseat.
Part of that is just that it's fundamentally difficult to have "substantive" content 365 days a year, which is their current release schedule. Nvidia doesn't make a new GPU every week, nor does...
Part of that is just that it's fundamentally difficult to have "substantive" content 365 days a year, which is their current release schedule. Nvidia doesn't make a new GPU every week, nor does AMD or Intel make a new CPU every week.
You can't have a 20 minute researched investigation every day either. With a daily release schedule, sometimes you just have to run fluff. That fluff, which almost certainly has higher margins, pays for the reviews and the in depth investigations.
Someone should show this laptop to guy saying all laptops suck these days
Yeah, surprisingly for $250 it looks like it might just be the single best option out there at the moment... and apparently all the hardware in them works just fine under Linux too, which makes it even more appealing IMO.
The trackpad issue might be a deal-breaker for me too, since that would personally drive me nuts, but this review is actually the only one I have seen mention it... so it's entirely possible Linus just got unlucky and got a bad trackpad. And the only other problem I have read about with the Motile laptops so far was a couple people on reddit complaining about bricking them when they updated the BIOS, and so having to return them. But anyone with IT experience knows how temperamental BIOS updates can be, and how easy they are to botch, so I dunno how much weight I really put on those accounts.
Perhaps you could plug in (or pair) a mouse? That's what I do with my laptop, because I have a deep antipathy for trackpads.
I much prefer mice to trackpads as well, but sometimes there just isn't space for them so having a functioning trackpad is kinda necessary. I prefer trackpoint nubs to trackpads too, but sadly not many laptop manufacturers besides Lenovo seem to include them nowadays.
If you want something external that works well in tight spaces then a trackball would be your best friend.
My old roommate used a trackball instead of a mouse for his desktop computer, and was so good with it he could actually play Startcraft and other online RTS games at highly competitive levels using it. But me? Whenever something went wrong with his comp and he needed my help to fix it, I would often try to use his trackball at first... but I would always inevitably give up after only a few minutes due to the sheer frustration it caused me, and then go grab one of my spare mice instead. :P
Was it a thumb or finger trackball? If it was a finger trackball you might give the thumb ones a try. I think they are easier to get used to.
Apparently I have really horrible coordination in my thumbs, because it was a thumb one. :P
Have you looked at the Chromebook Pixel at all? Especially now that they can run Linux and Android apps, they're a great. They have a stylus for drawing too.
I'm not sure how much I trust Google with my whole OS. I only recently finally got off GMail.
Well it is open-source. You can always review the code, or look at reports from others that have.
Definitely more confidence then you'd get running a closed OS.
I thought Chrome & Chrome OS were mixed source? The base being open source (Chromium) and the Google bits on top being closed source. Might be wrong there though
That's true. I don't know exactly which parts are closed, but I'd guess it's those that connect to Google services. So login features, crash reporter, that sort of thing.
Though everything else - the renderer, Javascript engine, all the meaty bits are open.
My bad, I was referring to the Pixelbook. There do seem to be a lot of guides for installing Linux but I agree, it is pricey.
Caution: $250 doesn't seem to be a stable price, since it's up to $300 now. Plan accordingly.
Ah, yeah that sucks. It appears to have jumped $50 since yesterday. Trying to capitalize on the press, I guess? :(
Damn. I bought my laptop for uni work mostly, gaming was secondary considerations. If I had that among my choices, fuck yeah I would've gotten that one. I don't even use trackpad, and screen brightness, while better is to be desired, is not a deal breaker for such a price.
I agree that screen brightness isn't as important for a $250 laptop, but I still think there's a minimum threshold for usability. It seems like it would be almost unusable in any sort of bright lighting.
What sort of situations can you envision where this is a concern?
I can only think of a few. The library for the uni I was studying at had overhead lights. Could be an issue if you're sitting under one of those with your screen open wide forward. Or, I dunno, working while someone points a flashlight at the screen?
If you’re outside I could see it being a problem. A lot of students like to hang out in the courtyard at the college I went to and do their work while enjoying the nice weather.
That's a good point. The only time we have a good-enough weather to be outside is just at the start of the year.
Every Linus Tech video feels like a goodbye now. I love the channel just for nerd entertainment, almost none of the videos are of real use for me. I just like to see weirdly charismatic people behave like human beings while conveying highly accurate information about technology.
The channels will most certainly remain good after his retirement, but Linus is not just a force in front of the camera. Some things are bound to change.
I totally agree. It's fun just to watch them goofing around with technology. There's often not a lot of substance to their videos anymore (although they occasionally do a deep dive) but almost all of Anthony's videos are very informative.
Anthony is my fav for exactly that reason. I'm really glad to see him in more and more videos lately, and hope the trend continues as Linus begins taking more of a backseat.
Part of that is just that it's fundamentally difficult to have "substantive" content 365 days a year, which is their current release schedule. Nvidia doesn't make a new GPU every week, nor does AMD or Intel make a new CPU every week.
You can't have a 20 minute researched investigation every day either. With a daily release schedule, sometimes you just have to run fluff. That fluff, which almost certainly has higher margins, pays for the reviews and the in depth investigations.
And I like the fluff. It's good background noise if you're a hardware geek.