Though I can't help but wonder (more as a thought experiment than an actual suggestion for Tildes) if color-coding each person's messages would solve this. So you wouldn't know who is speaking,...
Though I can't help but wonder (more as a thought experiment than an actual suggestion for Tildes) if color-coding each person's messages would solve this. So you wouldn't know who is speaking, but you would know all of that person's contributions in the thread. Colors would be randomly assigned per thread so you can't track anyone from one conversation to another. Actually you'd need something more differentiable than colors for very active topics. Some kind of badge emblem or other icon might work.
I really don't know if this would be a good thing at all but it's interesting to think about.
I don't know about you, but there's just so many colors I can quickly distinguish without having to open a color picker app. In this thread with 48 comments (assuming from 48 different users) I...
I don't know about you, but there's just so many colors I can quickly distinguish without having to open a color picker app.
In this thread with 48 comments (assuming from 48 different users) I could probably identify 10; 14 users? and Tildes just started out the other day. Imagine when we get threads with hundreds of users.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned using something more differentiable than colors like randomized icons. A pure color-coding system wouldn't be practical but I wanted to introduce the idea like that...
Yeah, that's why I mentioned using something more differentiable than colors like randomized icons. A pure color-coding system wouldn't be practical but I wanted to introduce the idea like that because people can quickly grok what color-coding is all about without needing too much explanation.
You can not seriously be suggesting that we ban usernames JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ALL CAPITALS. I can't even find words (certainly not polite ones!) to express my dismay at this suggestion. No, I...
usernames which tend to either be heavily-capitalised/extremely legible (such as "I_LIKE_CAMELS"),
You can not seriously be suggesting that we ban usernames JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ALL CAPITALS. I can't even find words (certainly not polite ones!) to express my dismay at this suggestion.
are either childish or rude (you can take a stab at what I'm referring to here)
No, I can't. Given that you don't like ALL CAPS, I can't even begin to guess what you might consider childish or rude. You're gonna have to help me out on this one.
In case you haven't worked it out by now, I think this suggestion is inane. If you'd come in here suggesting that bigoted or offensive usernames should be banned, I might have been able to sympathise with your view. But, ALL CAPS and "childish"? No. That's just silly.
I didn't see your username when I read this. I had a mini-crisis thinking that these were real examples and that there was some segment of the population that were opposed to Kilgore Trout.
KilgoreTroutIsaBitch
I didn't see your username when I read this. I had a mini-crisis thinking that these were real examples and that there was some segment of the population that were opposed to Kilgore Trout.
I feel there are probably names we should disallow, but I'm with you on probably having a high tolerance for offense, because other than maybe KKK or something, I can't think of anything. And...
I feel there are probably names we should disallow, but I'm with you on probably having a high tolerance for offense, because other than maybe KKK or something, I can't think of anything. And honestly, I'm not particularly opposed to that either.
Probably doesn't need a whole new rule or policy. If we all see something so offensive it must be removed, maybe message a (or currently the) mod.
That would be banned because it's in all-caps. :D But, seriously, I'd be more worried about the behaviour of someone with that username than the username itself.
because other than maybe KKK or something
That would be banned because it's in all-caps. :D
But, seriously, I'd be more worried about the behaviour of someone with that username than the username itself.
I think an important distinction here is that I'm generally not talking about punishing people for the names they've chosen, only judging them for them. That doesn't mean I won't also read what...
I think an important distinction here is that I'm generally not talking about punishing people for the names they've chosen, only judging them for them. That doesn't mean I won't also read what they've written, but because these names are chosen it is an important aspect of how we're presenting ourselves to each other.
Yeah. Usernames aren't like (most) real-life names. We choose our usernames, unlike our real-life names which are (mostly) chosen for us. Someone's username therefore says something about who they...
Yeah. Usernames aren't like (most) real-life names. We choose our usernames, unlike our real-life names which are (mostly) chosen for us. Someone's username therefore says something about who they are and how they want to be perceived.
Haha, oh hai people are talking about me! And, uh, I agree. My god, if something happens to me here solely because of my name I'm for reals going to feel that this community is way too prudish to...
Haha, oh hai people are talking about me! And, uh, I agree. My god, if something happens to me here solely because of my name I'm for reals going to feel that this community is way too prudish to be of interest to me at all.
No racist or downright mean names sounds like a good place to draw the line though.
My username is the same as my Steam, Discord, Twitch and Xbox live names would that be considered childish because I am using a gamertag? Tis a silly argument.
My username is the same as my Steam, Discord, Twitch and Xbox live names would that be considered childish because I am using a gamertag?
Thank you! I actually made it years ago because my best gaming buddies name is CtrlEVOL (evol = evil, also love spelled backwards) and we wanted similar names. I loved the name so much I have...
Thank you!
I actually made it years ago because my best gaming buddies name is CtrlEVOL (evol = evil, also love spelled backwards) and we wanted similar names.
I loved the name so much I have basically let it become my online identity in almost everything.
I think the general idea @Deimos is going for in this early state is no hard rules, but encourage the good and ignore the bad. I'm not as prolific on Tildes as some, but I do lurk and vote much...
I think the general idea @Deimos is going for in this early state is no hard rules, but encourage the good and ignore the bad.
I'm not as prolific on Tildes as some, but I do lurk and vote much more than comment. I have seen many of the types of usernames that you mention, and they often correlate with 'low effort' comments of a single sentence that doesn't add to the discussion at hand. They have also only had a few votes and get pushed to the bottom of the thread as more interesting comments get posted.
This self-filtering will be fine as long as interesting topics get interesting comments, which is down to us as the community :)
Agree mostly, but the thought afaik isn't to ignore the bad, but to trust in general but punish abusers. I quite like that approach, and with moderators it could become easier to first PM someone...
Agree mostly, but the thought afaik isn't to ignore the bad, but to trust in general but punish abusers. I quite like that approach, and with moderators it could become easier to first PM someone to ask them to change (or pick a different) username, and depending on reaction go through with it?
Maybe 'ignore' was not the right word, rather abuse should be punished and the only one who can mete that punishment is Demios currently. For sure it's not down to us as a community to enact some...
Maybe 'ignore' was not the right word, rather abuse should be punished and the only one who can mete that punishment is Demios currently. For sure it's not down to us as a community to enact some form of mob-justice.
Once we become big enough\too much for just Deimos to handle, I would hope the moderators will be selected with just as much care and attention.
:( That said, I don't really pay any mind to a username at all, unless I'm specifically having a conversation with somebody. My eyes just skip over all the rest, unless it's something...
tend to either be heavily-capitalised ... are either childish or rude
:(
That said, I don't really pay any mind to a username at all, unless I'm specifically having a conversation with somebody. My eyes just skip over all the rest, unless it's something inflammatory. But I haven't personally seen that here yet, that's mostly just been troll accounts on reddit or online gaming. I'm far more concerned about the contents of a post than the handle of the person posting it.
:( Anyways, even though I've never been a huge fan of 'beetle-juicing' I don't think usernames are something that should be strictly moderated, except if they're impersonation or particularly...
...are either childish...
:(
Anyways, even though I've never been a huge fan of 'beetle-juicing' I don't think usernames are something that should be strictly moderated, except if they're impersonation or particularly offensive. The rules can only do so much, in the end it's still on us to individually generate quality discussion
I don't particularly care about user names. I'm a lot more interested in user behaviours. Some names will be so blantantly offensive that they probably need to be instabanned. But we need to avoid...
I don't particularly care about user names. I'm a lot more interested in user behaviours.
Some names will be so blantantly offensive that they probably need to be instabanned. But we need to avoid the excessive meta gatekeeping common on, for example, Wikipedia. Last time I looked they had a policy, three templates, a request for comment page, a username for admin action page, and a holding page. (This supports the point that wikipedia is actually a bureacracy simulator with the difficulty level set to 9000)
META IS DEATH and we need to guard against the desire to add rules everywhere.
Censoring or banning silly or capitalized names seems like a waste of time and reads as a bit gatekeep-y to me. ("I don't find your silly username funny so it's therefore not worthy of Tildes.")...
Censoring or banning silly or capitalized names seems like a waste of time and reads as a bit gatekeep-y to me. ("I don't find your silly username funny so it's therefore not worthy of Tildes.")
Usernames that feature offensive, bigoted, or discriminatory language on the other hand... those should absolutely be banned.
As long as its not directly offensive to someone (ex: username_is_a_BITCH) then I couldnt care less. We are supposed to be looking at the quality of the book not so much the cover.
As long as its not directly offensive to someone (ex: username_is_a_BITCH) then I couldnt care less.
We are supposed to be looking at the quality of the book not so much the cover.
I'd argue that even that's not clear-cut. There's nothing offensive or ban-worthy about that name - not the ALL CAPS presentation nor the name itself. If this user lived up to their name, that...
I'd argue that even that's not clear-cut. There's nothing offensive or ban-worthy about that name - not the ALL CAPS presentation nor the name itself. If this user lived up to their name, that would be a problem. But the name itself isn't actually offensive, like, say, /u/I_AM_RACIST_TO_DUMB_NIGGERS is.
I would actually prefer the option to hide usernames. There are some names on Reddit that are designed to get your attention, and that can be very distracting. It doesn't need to be added now, nor...
I would actually prefer the option to hide usernames. There are some names on Reddit that are designed to get your attention, and that can be very distracting. It doesn't need to be added now, nor does it need to be high priority, but having the option would be nice.
Though I can't help but wonder (more as a thought experiment than an actual suggestion for Tildes) if color-coding each person's messages would solve this. So you wouldn't know who is speaking, but you would know all of that person's contributions in the thread. Colors would be randomly assigned per thread so you can't track anyone from one conversation to another. Actually you'd need something more differentiable than colors for very active topics. Some kind of badge emblem or other icon might work.
I really don't know if this would be a good thing at all but it's interesting to think about.
I don't know about you, but there's just so many colors I can quickly distinguish without having to open a color picker app.
In this thread with 48 comments (assuming from 48 different users) I could probably identify 10; 14 users? and Tildes just started out the other day. Imagine when we get threads with hundreds of users.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned using something more differentiable than colors like randomized icons. A pure color-coding system wouldn't be practical but I wanted to introduce the idea like that because people can quickly grok what color-coding is all about without needing too much explanation.
You can not seriously be suggesting that we ban usernames JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ALL CAPITALS. I can't even find words (certainly not polite ones!) to express my dismay at this suggestion.
No, I can't. Given that you don't like ALL CAPS, I can't even begin to guess what you might consider childish or rude. You're gonna have to help me out on this one.
In case you haven't worked it out by now, I think this suggestion is inane. If you'd come in here suggesting that bigoted or offensive usernames should be banned, I might have been able to sympathise with your view. But, ALL CAPS and "childish"? No. That's just silly.
I didn't see your username when I read this. I had a mini-crisis thinking that these were real examples and that there was some segment of the population that were opposed to Kilgore Trout.
I feel there are probably names we should disallow, but I'm with you on probably having a high tolerance for offense, because other than maybe KKK or something, I can't think of anything. And honestly, I'm not particularly opposed to that either.
Probably doesn't need a whole new rule or policy. If we all see something so offensive it must be removed, maybe message a (or currently the) mod.
That would be banned because it's in all-caps. :D
But, seriously, I'd be more worried about the behaviour of someone with that username than the username itself.
That's my thought too. If the content they contribute is offensive that's another story, but name itself, meh...
Anything overtly racist should probably just be banned tbh.
I don't even want to see a user named @NIGGER
Yeah, I can agree I don't want to see that.
I’ll judge them on their choice of username too. It’s a necessary part of how they present themselves in this space.
GB = bad
Just kidding saw your tag and wanted to comment.
I think an important distinction here is that I'm generally not talking about punishing people for the names they've chosen, only judging them for them. That doesn't mean I won't also read what they've written, but because these names are chosen it is an important aspect of how we're presenting ourselves to each other.
Yeah. Usernames aren't like (most) real-life names. We choose our usernames, unlike our real-life names which are (mostly) chosen for us. Someone's username therefore says something about who they are and how they want to be perceived.
Yeah, it will be a case by case issue. See something, say something. Simple.
Haha, oh hai people are talking about me! And, uh, I agree. My god, if something happens to me here solely because of my name I'm for reals going to feel that this community is way too prudish to be of interest to me at all.
No racist or downright mean names sounds like a good place to draw the line though.
For a second there I thought I was getting banned. I just wanted to have a friendly, playful username (without going the NSFW or weird ways).
My username is the same as my Steam, Discord, Twitch and Xbox live names would that be considered childish because I am using a gamertag?
Tis a silly argument.
I honestly love your username!
Thank you!
I actually made it years ago because my best gaming buddies name is CtrlEVOL (evol = evil, also love spelled backwards) and we wanted similar names.
I loved the name so much I have basically let it become my online identity in almost everything.
Aw that story just makes it so much "cuter".
I had stupid anime names when I was younger and definitely won't be using anything of them :P
The more we introduce rules of this nature, the sooner we condemn this place.
I think the general idea @Deimos is going for in this early state is no hard rules, but encourage the good and ignore the bad.
I'm not as prolific on Tildes as some, but I do lurk and vote much more than comment. I have seen many of the types of usernames that you mention, and they often correlate with 'low effort' comments of a single sentence that doesn't add to the discussion at hand. They have also only had a few votes and get pushed to the bottom of the thread as more interesting comments get posted.
This self-filtering will be fine as long as interesting topics get interesting comments, which is down to us as the community :)
Edit Because I can't spell Deimos, thanks @Algernon_Asimov ;)
Agree mostly, but the thought afaik isn't to ignore the bad, but to trust in general but punish abusers. I quite like that approach, and with moderators it could become easier to first PM someone to ask them to change (or pick a different) username, and depending on reaction go through with it?
Maybe 'ignore' was not the right word, rather abuse should be punished and the only one who can mete that punishment is Demios currently. For sure it's not down to us as a community to enact some form of mob-justice.
Once we become big enough\too much for just Deimos to handle, I would hope the moderators will be selected with just as much care and attention.
That's not how you spell "Deimos". If you were trying to tag him, he didn't see it.
:(
That said, I don't really pay any mind to a username at all, unless I'm specifically having a conversation with somebody. My eyes just skip over all the rest, unless it's something inflammatory. But I haven't personally seen that here yet, that's mostly just been troll accounts on reddit or online gaming. I'm far more concerned about the contents of a post than the handle of the person posting it.
How dare you...
...have all caps in your username.
:(
Anyways, even though I've never been a huge fan of 'beetle-juicing' I don't think usernames are something that should be strictly moderated, except if they're impersonation or particularly offensive. The rules can only do so much, in the end it's still on us to individually generate quality discussion
I don't particularly care about user names. I'm a lot more interested in user behaviours.
Some names will be so blantantly offensive that they probably need to be instabanned. But we need to avoid the excessive meta gatekeeping common on, for example, Wikipedia. Last time I looked they had a policy, three templates, a request for comment page, a username for admin action page, and a holding page. (This supports the point that wikipedia is actually a bureacracy simulator with the difficulty level set to 9000)
META IS DEATH and we need to guard against the desire to add rules everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-username
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-uall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-coi-username
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention/Holding_pen
Censoring or banning silly or capitalized names seems like a waste of time and reads as a bit gatekeep-y to me. ("I don't find your silly username funny so it's therefore not worthy of Tildes.")
Usernames that feature offensive, bigoted, or discriminatory language on the other hand... those should absolutely be banned.
As long as its not directly offensive to someone (ex: username_is_a_BITCH) then I couldnt care less.
We are supposed to be looking at the quality of the book not so much the cover.
I'd argue that even that's not clear-cut. There's nothing offensive or ban-worthy about that name - not the ALL CAPS presentation nor the name itself. If this user lived up to their name, that would be a problem. But the name itself isn't actually offensive, like, say, /u/I_AM_RACIST_TO_DUMB_NIGGERS is.
Okay. Maybe next time, could you try writing something like "the N-word" or "N---ER", so we know what you're trying to imply?
I would actually prefer the option to hide usernames. There are some names on Reddit that are designed to get your attention, and that can be very distracting. It doesn't need to be added now, nor does it need to be high priority, but having the option would be nice.