How to be a good contributor to Tildes?
Recently, I have blocked both reddit and facebook on my computer and devices in order to combat the utter fatigue that engagement with those sites produces. I've always really enjoyed the atmosphere here at Tildes better than either site and have hoped (though I gather this is not currently the goal) that it would supplant reddit in the future.
In order to get my news/discussion fix, I've begun submitting more content here than I have before. In the mornings, I go through my RSS feed, and pick out articles that I feel are interesting/would spark discussion here. I also try to conduct myself better here than I might on reddit, where JAQing off and bad faith argumentation are much more common.
I don't want to flood Tildes with too much content, so I'm trying to submit fewer than 10 articles per day. What are some other tips for good etiquette here, particularly insofar as it differs from reddit? I know there is an FAQ about Tildes but I'd like to hear what the community thinks, too.
Best,
-gbbb
Honestly, I genuinely think the Tildes docs do a pretty good job of describing what is and isn't acceptable here at the general level, and the Tildes CoC perfectly sums it up:
As does the Site Design philosophy doc mentioning The Golden Rule and Principle of Charity:
Which both work in parallel with something spelled out in the Announcing Tildes Blog post about not falling prey to the paradox of tolerance:
As for stuff not covered by all that, that's when things get a bit tougher, since Tildes is still pretty small and the culture here still in flux. But as for how frequently to post? Flooding the site with submissions, even with interesting/high quality ones, can have negative consequences (although that is mitigated somewhat by the Activity sort), so I tend to kinda hoard links a bit and submit them during lulls... which is why I often post so late at night. I don't really expect others to do the same, though I will sometimes mention it to someone if they post way too many articles all at once. :P
And another somewhat debatable/subjective one is when to apply the "noise" tag, which I tend to use on anything I don't think adds to the discussion, or actively detracts from it. e.g. kneejerk angry/cynical responses with little substance to them, "lol" type comments, etc. And there is often quite a bit of crossover where I find myself applying the "offtopic" or "joke" tag along with "noise" as well.
I think your individual answer probably lies most in what fatigues you about reddit and Facebook. What was it about those sites specifically that drove you off of them? Identifying that can help shape how you interact here, as a sort of positive counter to their negative aspects. Also, there's the idea that, with the size that Tildes is right now, each individual submission, whether comment or topic, has considerable weight to it. It's not just a drop in a very large flood, but has shaping power for the community at large. The people active on Tildes right now are implicitly directing the culture and values of the site, and you, as a member here, have equal say in that as well. Use that opportunity to address topics and interact in ways that you feel are valuable. Ask yourself what your ideal online forum looks like, and then act accordingly. You'll be helping to create that space by, well, creating it!
Beyond that, I think in general good advice to follow is to be kind and be thoughtful in your commenting. It's hard to go wrong here if your commenting is anchored in those two principles. Granted, those can be difficult to hold on to, especially when a particular topic is charged and especially when you feel that someone is being unkind or uncharitable to you. This is where I think being able to disengage is key. Tildes has an ignore topic feature that lets an entire thread disappear from your feed. We're also small enough that it's easy to sort of manually ignore commenters who you feel are counterproductive to your goals on the site.
Finally, making use of labels and voting is an easy way of shaping content that isn't yours specifically. Use the exemplary label to highlight really great posts. It lets you leave a private, anonymous (if you don't choose to sign it) message to the commenter. I've received some messages this way that were so meaningful and supportive that they have legitimately made me cry! It's a wonderful tool. Of course, label noise and malice posts as well. These help hold the line against negative content, but I'm a much bigger fan of highlighting positives than focusing on negatives. Let's let the bad stuff die on the vine and feed the good stuff so it'll grow.
Generally speaking, in my experience, I wouldn't bother commenting on something unless you*: 1) Have enough to say to generate a couple paragraphs at least, 2) Are thanking someone for a reply, or 3) Are prepared to source the shit out of whatever you say.
Also if someone is getting snippy I recommend just bowing out, even if they started it. I mean that's solid advice for any confrontation in polite company, I guess, but still. Tildes is no exception to the "this is the internet and I am RIGHT" rule.
As far as posting content goes, I don't think anyone minds if it's very frequent, as long as the content is varied. Plus, if you're doing something wrong, someone will just remove it or flag it and let you know how it broke the rules. No harm, no foul.
*The general "you", of course. Not the specific.
Posting one relevant link and writing a little bit about why it's interesting seems fine too. We are all about the links, and not all links necessarily need to be top-level. Some are better as responses.
Also, questions can be good. Turning what might seem like a negative response into a straight question (not a sarcastic one) helps keep discussions from getting heated.
Agreed overall but especially here. Recognizing an unproductive discussion can be hard, and walking away from it can also be a struggle, but it makes a huge difference in the quality of the discussions themselves as well as in ... overall mental wellness. It's a skill and habit worth developing.
My rubric is imagining that a stranger said what the internet commenter said to me at a party. If I'd excuse myself to the bathroom and find another, more enjoyable conversation to join in on, that's my cue to bail - I'm not obligated to stick out a tedious or mean debate to the bitter end. I also bow out if I find myself forgetting the human (it happens), and there are some topics that I am so unwilling to compromise on that I avoid those entirely unless it's with someone I know quite well.
I'll say it again... I sense the need for some kind of 'disengage' mechanic. What's the value in spotting the point where people nope out of a thread, and helping them do it without being drawn back in by reply notifications? Seems like we might zero in on what behaviors worsen the threads. It's one thing when we all say what bothers us, but it's something else a bit more objective if there's a way to measure it in the aggregate for all of the users. Maybe we'll learn something useful.
One thing I've noticed is that my submissions keep getting moved to different subgroups and tags are added. I'm trying to pay attention to what gets moved where and the added tags so that someone else doesn't have to go to all that effort! (Example: I now know that political analysis should go in ~misc, not ~news.)
I really don't mind... :)
Hey, that is you! Thanks for your work! Even if you don't mind, just wanted to let you know I'm paying attention!
Ditto. And in my case, especially with music genre tagging, I even actively enjoy doing it, since I find it fun to identify, discover, and explore the incredibly diverse set of genres out there in the world. :)
Ha! The music genre tags are the ones I probably shy away from implementing/editing the most.
Through the way I manage my own music collection with genre-based playlists, I just know I'd end up sucked into a taxonomical black hole with those tags! Glad someone else on here derives a little pleasure from them...
Taxonomical black hole? Yeah.... I know that place well. See (my now abandoned):
https://tildes.net/~music/wiki/rym_genre_hierarchy :P
Which was manually scraped from here:
https://rateyourmusic.com/genres
noise/joke
It's... It's beautiful!
LOL, damn you went deep to find that one. :P
Don't think of this as people correcting you. Think of it as collaborative editing/curation. The people doing it are, generally, happy to do it.
Following the crowd seems to work well on here and make sure every comment or topic is as long as you’re arm because if not they will class it as low effort.
Hey, that's anti-intelectualism!
On a more serious note, the long texts mostly come from adding details, context, analogies,examples, personal experience in some cases and if you have enough free time, attempting to tie the whole thing under a coherent narrative. Also, this shouldn't be taken too literally, most of my most upvoted comments are pretty short for example.
I have a problem with being overly verbose so I guess I'll fit in...
They will love you here, I’m more of a short and sweet kind of guy so I’m not very popular here
Hey, where were you when we had an entire conversation about verbosity? On my post.. literally "On Verbosity"? You say in another comment you feel you don't fit in, well I'm sorry to hear that. Instead of just lambasting the entire community for not liking you, maybe start a discussion like this one? Instead of just posting a snide comment? Just a thought.
You want to get off your high horse, sorry I don’t monitor every comment you make in case you say something that would interest me, I didn’t say the whole community didn’t like me I just said they liked long comments and topics and I preferred short.
You're right that I road my high horse into that last comment, I'm sorry about that.