Love the line "Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how." It's reminiscent of a more morally gray Fallout like Fallout New Vegas. Between that and a cowboy ghoul, seems like...
Love the line "Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how." It's reminiscent of a more morally gray Fallout like Fallout New Vegas. Between that and a cowboy ghoul, seems like they've definitely taken some New Vegas inspiration, which is fantastic! So far the show looks great, no notes.
That town with the big crater is also making me think Megaton. Best option would really be to just take bit of all the games and throw in some new stuff.
That town with the big crater is also making me think Megaton. Best option would really be to just take bit of all the games and throw in some new stuff.
It seems like it's patterned after Fallout 3 from the trailer. Vault is still in operation and in good condition. Main character is clearly a fresh vault dweller in over her head, just like the...
It seems like it's patterned after Fallout 3 from the trailer. Vault is still in operation and in good condition. Main character is clearly a fresh vault dweller in over her head, just like the player was.
Walton's ghoul seems patterned after Fallout 4's main story. It's interesting that we see him three times - as the announcer in the vault promos (implying he's at least worked for vault-tec before the war), then in a single shot clearly running with family from a nuclear blast just like 4's opening set-piece, then as a ghoul bounty hunter after the war. I'm guessing he's mostly heel until the main character turns him around, likely after he's sent to hunt her.
The brotherhood butts in at some point, but that's how they show up in every fallout game, so that tracks. There was a single shot with an NCR battle standard in this trailer, so we are getting New Vegas canon here too.
It's clearly Vault 33 which until today did not have a page in the fallout wiki, so this is a brand new vault for the lore. I like that far better than setting it in the vaults from the games - we all love new vaults and it is only fitting that the show's writers get to enjoy making their own. It's in New California. That means the town was probably not Megaton, unless they decide to move it from DC to the West coast.
The only clues as to what point in the timeline is 'last two hundred years' so presumably this 200 years after the bombs, 2277ish. That's the decade of 3, 4, and New Vegas, so we're not looking at an in-universe history lesson. The events here would happen during the same decade as the main games in the franchise, which opens up the possibility of tying into those games' events over the course of the series. We all wondered what was going on in California while playing the games, it was only referenced in passing. It hasn't been a 'setting' until now.
That's a pretty solid start in my book. Where it goes is up to the writers and I don't think anyone really cares - fallout games are sandboxes, there isn't really any main-character canon. The games have multiple storylines with multiple endings based on player preference. That leaves the writers free to do their own thing in the sandbox just like anyone who played the game. All they have to do is stick to the western / war movie tone, keep it more serious than comedic, and avoid contradicting any canon. They do that and no gamer is going to have any problems with this series.
What gives me the most hope is I did not sense a whiff of mary-sue girl-boss banality on the main character - she's clearly out of her depth and in danger multiple times, and the show is clearly going to make a point of tearing her down and building her back up. That's levels above Marvel's drek right out of the gate. I also did not see any cheap snark or frat-level humor, like what is present in the Borderlands trailer.
Very impressed with how this looks. I've loved Fallout since the original came out and would love to not be disappointed in this adaptation. I look forward to the premiere in April.
Very impressed with how this looks. I've loved Fallout since the original came out and would love to not be disappointed in this adaptation. I look forward to the premiere in April.
It said all the episodes were dropping, so they aren't doing the shitty weekly release other shows are doing thankfully. You can watch the whole season whenever you want!
It said all the episodes were dropping, so they aren't doing the shitty weekly release other shows are doing thankfully. You can watch the whole season whenever you want!
I very much agree on that last bit. I tend to only watch 1 or 2 episodes a week when shows are released all at once, because a cliffhanger with instant resolution (i.e. starting the next episode...
I very much agree on that last bit. I tend to only watch 1 or 2 episodes a week when shows are released all at once, because a cliffhanger with instant resolution (i.e. starting the next episode immediately) has no weight. This is especially true for older shows that were originally released on a weekly schedule, since they were typically written with this in mind (Lost being the best example that comes to mind). I don't find the instant gratification of skipping the week's wait to be that... well... gratifying.
The unfortunate side effect of doing it this way is that the rest of the world seems to have the entire series watched within hours of release, and loves to post spoilers about it. Some forums (fora?) have moratoriums (moratoria?) on spoilers for a certain length of time, which is nice, but it's not usually as long as (1 week)*(number of episodes).
There's also the fact that some shows that come out this way are aware of the situation, and put the big cliffhanger at the end of the season, so instead of 6-10 short waits, everyone just suffers the year+ wait for the resolution at the beginning of the next season - and the faster you burn through the show, the longer that wait ends up being.
When they go back to making tv series, not mini-series, I'll go back to weekly watching. Until then, I just binge. Right now I'm waiting on Shogun to finish, for example. I watched the original,...
When they go back to making tv series, not mini-series, I'll go back to weekly watching. Until then, I just binge. Right now I'm waiting on Shogun to finish, for example. I watched the original, and have it on my media server. Rewatched that recently. When the new miniseries finishes, I'll have myself a nice day-after the final episode enjoying it as a complete block without artificial cuts.
For me, social media hasn't added really anything to "discussion". Most "discussion" threads, like on Reddit for example, just involve people throwing out some quote from the movie/show. No context, no elaboration, not using it to jump into a thought or an observation; just an empty quote. Other posts saying "I like it" or "I hate it."
And that's what gets upvoted. Empty crap like that. Meaningless. Without context. No content whatsoever. Just a big love/hate fest.
No one can ever explain why they like, or hate, something. And I mean actually explain, not just something like "I just didn't like it" or "I always don't like (actor/setting/whatever) so I hated this too."
They just spout memes, rattle off quotes, and that's what constitutes "discussion". I've found the same thing tends to happen in person, though that predates social media. People just gush about something they love, but can never articulate any actual reasons. Yet they'll get upset if you don't love what they love, even though they did zero to give you any reasons or notions as to why you might find it interesting.
Pass. Not because I want to, but because all of that is a waste of time. I'd love to discuss projects I enjoy. That I find interesting. But no one else wants to. They actually seem to hate it. They say stuff like TLDR, or "you've thought way too much about this." Fuck me for thinking about what I watch I guess.
My experience on reddit has been very different from yours, though I'm mostly thinking of /r/movies. Braindead meme-takes generally get downvoted there. I think The Last of Us subreddit suffered...
My experience on reddit has been very different from yours, though I'm mostly thinking of /r/movies. Braindead meme-takes generally get downvoted there. I think The Last of Us subreddit suffered from that a bit, but honestly...I think that is/was the gamer crowd skewing a bit younger maybe. So perhaps the same will happen with Fallout :-(
I was thinking the same thing, like "this guy's clearly never been to /r/doctorwho " (people get crazy deep into analyzing episodes and making theories etc) - but then again it's been awhile since...
I was thinking the same thing, like "this guy's clearly never been to /r/doctorwho " (people get crazy deep into analyzing episodes and making theories etc) - but then again it's been awhile since I've been on Reddit that deeply so maybe things have changed.
I've noticed any dedicated subreddits are much worse than the general discussion ones in recent times. Most of them sound like they don't even like the work they're centred on. This isn't just...
I've noticed any dedicated subreddits are much worse than the general discussion ones in recent times. Most of them sound like they don't even like the work they're centred on. This isn't just with TV shows, but movies, music, books, and games too. There are so many people who are so deep in the weeds for the work that they blow minor things way out of proportion. There's a whole contingent of the Office community now who thinks Jim was the antagonist of the show and have convinced themselves that he's emotionally manipulative and may be a psychopath who is manipulating the rest of the cast the whole all. All because they refuse to acknowledge how sitcoms are written or structured.
I don't mind the weekly/slow release, but I think it only works to a point. If a show is airing for longer than ~1.5 months, it falls off in the zeitgeist pretty hard before its finale. I think...
I don't mind the weekly/slow release, but I think it only works to a point. If a show is airing for longer than ~1.5 months, it falls off in the zeitgeist pretty hard before its finale. I think the sweet spot is, regardless of number of episodes, have all of them out within a month of the first episode airing. Whether that's 2/3 episodes once a week, an episode every three days, or the Stranger Things method of putting 80% of the season out on day 1 and the finale a month later, that seems to be the best pace for premiering in my experience.
I can't disagree, as I enjoy the slow-drip method of watching as well. But it's so much fun to spend multiple continuous hours engaged in a show you really like, so I hope that is true here.
I can't disagree, as I enjoy the slow-drip method of watching as well. But it's so much fun to spend multiple continuous hours engaged in a show you really like, so I hope that is true here.
This looks great. Time to go adjust my filters to block every mention of Fallout so I'm not inundated with all the people trying to nitpick and/or spoil every possible little thing by going...
This looks great.
Time to go adjust my filters to block every mention of Fallout so I'm not inundated with all the people trying to nitpick and/or spoil every possible little thing by going frame-by-frame in the trailer and everything else that comes out.
I loved Fallout 1 & 2 and have played each 4+ times but it took 3 separate attempts for me to get through FO3 just once. I enjoyed New Vegas but didn't even bother with Fallout 4 or 76. That said,...
I loved Fallout 1 & 2 and have played each 4+ times but it took 3 separate attempts for me to get through FO3 just once. I enjoyed New Vegas but didn't even bother with Fallout 4 or 76.
That said, I'm pretty excited for this and hope its a good time. I really like the energy Walter Goggins brings to roles so I'd probably watch it eventually for him alone even without the IP.
This trailer was a big step up from the last one. It makes sense that the Vault Dweller isn't like the player of the game, a one person killing/negotiating/pickpocketing scientist killing machine,...
This trailer was a big step up from the last one. It makes sense that the Vault Dweller isn't like the player of the game, a one person killing/negotiating/pickpocketing scientist killing machine, that wouldn't be as fun to watch. I like that she's naive and battered by the new world. This trailer lays out a bit of a glimpse of the narrative and the CGI looks way better.
My only complaint is that things look a little too sunny and a little to clean. The sets are obviously old and battered, but it still looks kind of "Just made last week" old and battered.
That might be preferable to the games with their garbage-strewn environments everywhere you turn. Really, 200+ years later and nobody’s thought to pick up the tin cans all over the floor?
That might be preferable to the games with their garbage-strewn environments everywhere you turn. Really, 200+ years later and nobody’s thought to pick up the tin cans all over the floor?
Of course, the set design around a show is definitely going to have a different look, because the game basically just strewn objects around the world. But do you know what I mean, it looks dirty,...
Of course, the set design around a show is definitely going to have a different look, because the game basically just strewn objects around the world. But do you know what I mean, it looks dirty, but like Disney's Galaxy's Edge dirty. Like new dirty.
This looks good, better than the LOTR series they did (though I haven’t actually watched that). It’s a tough one to miss out on, being on Prime. I didn’t know anything about the production so was...
This looks good, better than the LOTR series they did (though I haven’t actually watched that). It’s a tough one to miss out on, being on Prime. I didn’t know anything about the production so was hoping it was a movie in theaters.
I would be more suspicious of a movie, since they'd have to condense a pretty sizable narrative and world into 2 hours. I much rather it be a big budget show that has 6-10 hours.
I would be more suspicious of a movie, since they'd have to condense a pretty sizable narrative and world into 2 hours. I much rather it be a big budget show that has 6-10 hours.
This looks fantastic. Been some time since I saw an adaptation nail it in the trailer alone... with no spoilers. It feels like a western, sounds like a western, and that's the only way to do...
This looks fantastic. Been some time since I saw an adaptation nail it in the trailer alone... with no spoilers. It feels like a western, sounds like a western, and that's the only way to do fallout justice on the silver screen. I shall enjoy finding out what horrible secret lurks in this vault. :)
I'm surprised by how good this looks. I hope it holds up!
Love the line "Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how." It's reminiscent of a more morally gray Fallout like Fallout New Vegas. Between that and a cowboy ghoul, seems like they've definitely taken some New Vegas inspiration, which is fantastic! So far the show looks great, no notes.
That town with the big crater is also making me think Megaton. Best option would really be to just take bit of all the games and throw in some new stuff.
It seems like it's patterned after Fallout 3 from the trailer. Vault is still in operation and in good condition. Main character is clearly a fresh vault dweller in over her head, just like the player was.
Walton's ghoul seems patterned after Fallout 4's main story. It's interesting that we see him three times - as the announcer in the vault promos (implying he's at least worked for vault-tec before the war), then in a single shot clearly running with family from a nuclear blast just like 4's opening set-piece, then as a ghoul bounty hunter after the war. I'm guessing he's mostly heel until the main character turns him around, likely after he's sent to hunt her.
The brotherhood butts in at some point, but that's how they show up in every fallout game, so that tracks. There was a single shot with an NCR battle standard in this trailer, so we are getting New Vegas canon here too.
It's clearly Vault 33 which until today did not have a page in the fallout wiki, so this is a brand new vault for the lore. I like that far better than setting it in the vaults from the games - we all love new vaults and it is only fitting that the show's writers get to enjoy making their own. It's in New California. That means the town was probably not Megaton, unless they decide to move it from DC to the West coast.
The only clues as to what point in the timeline is 'last two hundred years' so presumably this 200 years after the bombs, 2277ish. That's the decade of 3, 4, and New Vegas, so we're not looking at an in-universe history lesson. The events here would happen during the same decade as the main games in the franchise, which opens up the possibility of tying into those games' events over the course of the series. We all wondered what was going on in California while playing the games, it was only referenced in passing. It hasn't been a 'setting' until now.
That's a pretty solid start in my book. Where it goes is up to the writers and I don't think anyone really cares - fallout games are sandboxes, there isn't really any main-character canon. The games have multiple storylines with multiple endings based on player preference. That leaves the writers free to do their own thing in the sandbox just like anyone who played the game. All they have to do is stick to the western / war movie tone, keep it more serious than comedic, and avoid contradicting any canon. They do that and no gamer is going to have any problems with this series.
What gives me the most hope is I did not sense a whiff of mary-sue girl-boss banality on the main character - she's clearly out of her depth and in danger multiple times, and the show is clearly going to make a point of tearing her down and building her back up. That's levels above Marvel's drek right out of the gate. I also did not see any cheap snark or frat-level humor, like what is present in the Borderlands trailer.
I'm genuinely looking forward to this show.
Very impressed with how this looks. I've loved Fallout since the original came out and would love to not be disappointed in this adaptation. I look forward to the premiere in April.
It said all the episodes were dropping, so they aren't doing the shitty weekly release other shows are doing thankfully. You can watch the whole season whenever you want!
Weekly releases keep a show in the zeitgeist, allow for the audience to theorize together, and allow the plot breathing room.
I very much agree on that last bit. I tend to only watch 1 or 2 episodes a week when shows are released all at once, because a cliffhanger with instant resolution (i.e. starting the next episode immediately) has no weight. This is especially true for older shows that were originally released on a weekly schedule, since they were typically written with this in mind (Lost being the best example that comes to mind). I don't find the instant gratification of skipping the week's wait to be that... well... gratifying.
The unfortunate side effect of doing it this way is that the rest of the world seems to have the entire series watched within hours of release, and loves to post spoilers about it. Some forums (fora?) have moratoriums (moratoria?) on spoilers for a certain length of time, which is nice, but it's not usually as long as (1 week)*(number of episodes).
There's also the fact that some shows that come out this way are aware of the situation, and put the big cliffhanger at the end of the season, so instead of 6-10 short waits, everyone just suffers the year+ wait for the resolution at the beginning of the next season - and the faster you burn through the show, the longer that wait ends up being.
When they go back to making tv series, not mini-series, I'll go back to weekly watching. Until then, I just binge. Right now I'm waiting on Shogun to finish, for example. I watched the original, and have it on my media server. Rewatched that recently. When the new miniseries finishes, I'll have myself a nice day-after the final episode enjoying it as a complete block without artificial cuts.
For me, social media hasn't added really anything to "discussion". Most "discussion" threads, like on Reddit for example, just involve people throwing out some quote from the movie/show. No context, no elaboration, not using it to jump into a thought or an observation; just an empty quote. Other posts saying "I like it" or "I hate it."
And that's what gets upvoted. Empty crap like that. Meaningless. Without context. No content whatsoever. Just a big love/hate fest.
No one can ever explain why they like, or hate, something. And I mean actually explain, not just something like "I just didn't like it" or "I always don't like (actor/setting/whatever) so I hated this too."
They just spout memes, rattle off quotes, and that's what constitutes "discussion". I've found the same thing tends to happen in person, though that predates social media. People just gush about something they love, but can never articulate any actual reasons. Yet they'll get upset if you don't love what they love, even though they did zero to give you any reasons or notions as to why you might find it interesting.
Pass. Not because I want to, but because all of that is a waste of time. I'd love to discuss projects I enjoy. That I find interesting. But no one else wants to. They actually seem to hate it. They say stuff like TLDR, or "you've thought way too much about this." Fuck me for thinking about what I watch I guess.
My experience on reddit has been very different from yours, though I'm mostly thinking of /r/movies. Braindead meme-takes generally get downvoted there. I think The Last of Us subreddit suffered from that a bit, but honestly...I think that is/was the gamer crowd skewing a bit younger maybe. So perhaps the same will happen with Fallout :-(
I was thinking the same thing, like "this guy's clearly never been to /r/doctorwho " (people get crazy deep into analyzing episodes and making theories etc) - but then again it's been awhile since I've been on Reddit that deeply so maybe things have changed.
I've noticed any dedicated subreddits are much worse than the general discussion ones in recent times. Most of them sound like they don't even like the work they're centred on. This isn't just with TV shows, but movies, music, books, and games too. There are so many people who are so deep in the weeds for the work that they blow minor things way out of proportion. There's a whole contingent of the Office community now who thinks Jim was the antagonist of the show and have convinced themselves that he's emotionally manipulative and may be a psychopath who is manipulating the rest of the cast the whole all. All because they refuse to acknowledge how sitcoms are written or structured.
I don't mind the weekly/slow release, but I think it only works to a point. If a show is airing for longer than ~1.5 months, it falls off in the zeitgeist pretty hard before its finale. I think the sweet spot is, regardless of number of episodes, have all of them out within a month of the first episode airing. Whether that's 2/3 episodes once a week, an episode every three days, or the Stranger Things method of putting 80% of the season out on day 1 and the finale a month later, that seems to be the best pace for premiering in my experience.
I can't disagree, as I enjoy the slow-drip method of watching as well. But it's so much fun to spend multiple continuous hours engaged in a show you really like, so I hope that is true here.
That's awesome, I guess I know what I'm doing on April 12th and possibly 13th depending on what time I start bingeing them.
This looks great.
Time to go adjust my filters to block every mention of Fallout so I'm not inundated with all the people trying to nitpick and/or spoil every possible little thing by going frame-by-frame in the trailer and everything else that comes out.
Fallout 3 is one of my favorite games ever, this is actually kinda exciting! I guess it's time to play through Fallout 4 again...
We're in the same boat, neighbor. F3 is in my top 5, and F4 in my top 10. I think I have time for another jaunt through both before this launches!
I loved Fallout 1 & 2 and have played each 4+ times but it took 3 separate attempts for me to get through FO3 just once. I enjoyed New Vegas but didn't even bother with Fallout 4 or 76.
That said, I'm pretty excited for this and hope its a good time. I really like the energy Walter Goggins brings to roles so I'd probably watch it eventually for him alone even without the IP.
This trailer was a big step up from the last one. It makes sense that the Vault Dweller isn't like the player of the game, a one person killing/negotiating/pickpocketing scientist killing machine, that wouldn't be as fun to watch. I like that she's naive and battered by the new world. This trailer lays out a bit of a glimpse of the narrative and the CGI looks way better.
My only complaint is that things look a little too sunny and a little to clean. The sets are obviously old and battered, but it still looks kind of "Just made last week" old and battered.
That might be preferable to the games with their garbage-strewn environments everywhere you turn. Really, 200+ years later and nobody’s thought to pick up the tin cans all over the floor?
Sometimes it's even weirder. Like they'll leave a 200 year old skeleton in the storage room of a functioning hotel.
Of course, the set design around a show is definitely going to have a different look, because the game basically just strewn objects around the world. But do you know what I mean, it looks dirty, but like Disney's Galaxy's Edge dirty. Like new dirty.
They just released the first scene too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_7jXPMu0Nk
This looks good, better than the LOTR series they did (though I haven’t actually watched that). It’s a tough one to miss out on, being on Prime. I didn’t know anything about the production so was hoping it was a movie in theaters.
I would be more suspicious of a movie, since they'd have to condense a pretty sizable narrative and world into 2 hours. I much rather it be a big budget show that has 6-10 hours.
This looks fantastic. Been some time since I saw an adaptation nail it in the trailer alone... with no spoilers. It feels like a western, sounds like a western, and that's the only way to do fallout justice on the silver screen. I shall enjoy finding out what horrible secret lurks in this vault. :)