Is it? I was under the impression that the site was intended to be a haven for discussion and interesting content, and I'd like to think that the above submission could stimulate the former. (I'll...
Is it? I was under the impression that the site was intended to be a haven for discussion and interesting content, and I'd like to think that the above submission could stimulate the former. (I'll leave judgment about whether or not it's actually interesting to other people.)
Activity in this community seemed to be lacking, so I wanted to offer what I could to add more of it. The content might not be of the highest quality, granted, but at least it's original.
I showed it to my sister who is a big fan of the show, and she liked it. It seems like if you have a ~tv group, and you have a ~creative group, then obviously content about tv shows is wanted, and...
I showed it to my sister who is a big fan of the show, and she liked it. It seems like if you have a ~tv group, and you have a ~creative group, then obviously content about tv shows is wanted, and obviously content someone exerted creative effort on is wanted.
Was just about to comment but didn't want to bump the thread. I'm not against "fun" necessarily, just against low effort content that doesn't entice any discussion. The problem is, even with the...
Was just about to comment but didn't want to bump the thread. I'm not against "fun" necessarily, just against low effort content that doesn't entice any discussion.
The problem is, even with the website being as small as it is, there are still people who'll upvote this apparently. And the larger we grow the more this is going to become a problem, because not everyone coming in will be down to play by Tildes' rules. Especially if we open the sign-up floodgates.
While I can understand your concern, I'm not sure that "low-effort" applies here. The above submission took several hours to write and assemble, and I'd like to think that it could foster a...
While I can understand your concern, I'm not sure that "low-effort" applies here.
The above submission took several hours to write and assemble, and I'd like to think that it could foster a conversation about tired tropes in television.
With that said, I can certainly see how it appears to mirror many of the low-quality image macros and Twitter screenshots that we'd all like to avoid, at least at first glance.
Oh if that's original content, I might have been too quick to call it low-effort, apologies. The problem with link only (especially image only) posts is that it's hard to have people start a...
Oh if that's original content, I might have been too quick to call it low-effort, apologies.
The problem with link only (especially image only) posts is that it's hard to have people start a conversation if there's no text accompanying it. The image in itself probably isn't going to cause people to comment discussing "television tropes", I think. But that's just my take on it, I might be wrong, can't speak for everyone.
It's still valid criticism, and you're right: I should have included some context, or at the very least a premise to serve as the catalyst for conversation. Unfortunately, having come from Reddit...
It's still valid criticism, and you're right: I should have included some context, or at the very least a premise to serve as the catalyst for conversation. Unfortunately, having come from Reddit (just this morning, in fact), I've fallen into the bad habit of offering my content without any sort of accompanying explanation or avenues for discussion. Either way, thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts!
Oh, and just for future reference: Everything that I offer (unless explicitly specified otherwise) is my own original content. I've never liked the idea of using someone else's work, especially since my stated goal is to entertain people. I'm quite new here, and I doubt if my reputation has followed me... but given the nature of the Internet (and users' tendencies to steal), I hope you don't mind me clarifying.
I’m one of the bigger anti-fluff proponents on the site... however, I think the fact that your submission is original content, actually took real effort to create (wasn’t just a single image or...
I’m one of the bigger anti-fluff proponents on the site... however, I think the fact that your submission is original content, actually took real effort to create (wasn’t just a single image or meme) and was done in legitimate comic book form while attempting to spark discussion on the tropes in a comic book based tv show... all that speaks to your favour.
However I think there are some things you could have done differently that could have potentially helped even more. As you said, providing some context, perhaps in the form of an initial top-level comment or even submitting the comic as part of a self-text submission to help frame the discussion would have helped.
I also think identifying the work as original content, either by adding an ‘original content’ topic tag or mentioning it in the title would have helped as well, especially in preventing the comment section from being derailed by accusations of this being low effort content. I think people just saw images and text together and their gut reaction was negative since they assumed this was copied from somewhere else but had it been clearer at the outset it was original content that would have potentially prevented that.
But overall, I think you did a pretty good job of actually putting effort into not only the creation of the work itself, but also consideration for what sort of discussion you were hoping it would spark. The format just needs some minor tweaking is all. ;)
The imgur album already says "by RamsesThePigeon". And, tagging something as original content doesn't mean it's not a meme: most memes on Reddit are made by the people who make them. Original...
I also think identifying the work as original content
The imgur album already says "by RamsesThePigeon".
And, tagging something as original content doesn't mean it's not a meme: most memes on Reddit are made by the people who make them. Original content can still be shallow content.
This post is low-effort to consume, not produce. All it takes is for someone to scroll through, breathe out through their nose a little more intensely than normal, and then go on to the next post....
This post is low-effort to consume, not produce. All it takes is for someone to scroll through, breathe out through their nose a little more intensely than normal, and then go on to the next post.
Tildes is about discussion. This thread has not spurred any discussion on "tired tropes in television". We want people to take the time to write out well considered comments. We want people to read the articles posted. If you want to have people talk about tv tropes you should either link a good article on the tropes you want to discuss, or write out an opinion to submit here directly.
I'm not certain that I agree with the idea that easily consumable content is intrinsically detrimental to discussion. A single-sentence question can prompt a lot of conversation, after all, and a...
I'm not certain that I agree with the idea that easily consumable content is intrinsically detrimental to discussion. A single-sentence question can prompt a lot of conversation, after all, and a photograph can easily foster a lot of debate. Furthermore, there's definitely something to be said for the nuance and complexity that are both associated with text, but couldn't the argument also be made that I did write out an opinion that I submitted here? Said opinion may have been presented by way of image-based media, but examination of that media easily reveals my perspective on the topic.
Now, one potential concern which I can see – and I suspect this is what you were arguing against – is that some people might approach easily consumable content from a surface-level perspective without even looking for any real depth. A well-written article would seem to remove that hazard... but I'm not sure that it actually does. We're all guilty of having read only the title of a piece before forming an opinion, for instance, and even those folks who make their way through an entire publication might very well skim or gloss over certain aspects of it. With that in mind, I'd suggest that people will always consume what (and in the way) they want to, regardless of what is actually being offered. When they're presented with an opinion offered as a series of images, at least we can assume that they'll make it all the way to the end.
That's my concern. I can only back this up with my personal experience, though. Some of the best seeds for discussion are only a few words long. "What is consciousness?" and similar questions can...
Now, one potential concern which I can see – and I suspect this is what you were arguing against – is that some people might approach easily consumable content from a surface-level perspective without even looking for any real depth.
That's my concern. I can only back this up with my personal experience, though.
Some of the best seeds for discussion are only a few words long. "What is consciousness?" and similar questions can be discussed and pondered for eternity. For content such as this submission, I think that the "consumption" begins and ends with reading the image for most people - including most tildes users. For philosophical questions, or more nuanced seeds to discussion, the consumption continues internally.
This goes back to what @Except highlighted: Had my submission been offered with some text-based context or encouragement toward a specific consideration, then its purpose and intention probably...
This goes back to what @Except highlighted: Had my submission been offered with some text-based context or encouragement toward a specific consideration, then its purpose and intention probably would have been more self-evident. I maintain that thoughts and opinions can be expressed in a variety of media, but given the reputation that image-based content has for being shallow and insubstantial, I can recognize the need to include more-robust calls to discussion.
Perhaps similar strategies could be employed with links to articles and such, too. If nothing else, it would mitigate the risk of having people read only the title.
We've been over the submission statement, no submission statement argument several times now in different discussion threads. The compromise was made that link submissions have an optional text...
We've been over the submission statement, no submission statement argument several times now in different discussion threads. The compromise was made that link submissions have an optional text field which shows up as a top level comment.
Don't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but I'd encourage you to lurk the place for a bit. You seem to be really eager to participate and contribute, and I know from reddit you have a history of good contributions, but I suggest you get a feel for the vibe a bit more before you dive in head first like I've seen you doing today.
We've been having some really good conversations you've missed out on on practically every aspect of the site, which have been going on for a month or more. The site is young and fertile, malleable, and open to new ideas. We've all been trying to bring the best aspects of different communities we've been a part of, and a lot of that has been what we don't like about reddit, and trying to get out of the reddit mindset.
So, I encourage you to try going to ~tildes, expand the scope to "all time", then try different sorting methods to find interesting discussions about the proposed direction and mechanics of the site. We're currently lacking a good way to catch up new users on what the site is about. FAQs, wikis, etc are in the cards, but that ought to get you caught up a bit anyway.
Cheers, and btw, this is great OC. I've never watched The Flash, so I totally don't get the reference, but it's very well made. I think this site should definitely have a place for content like...
Cheers, and btw, this is great OC. I've never watched The Flash, so I totally don't get the reference, but it's very well made. I think this site should definitely have a place for content like this, but like I said to @EditingAndLayout at one point, "At the time this site is ready for a ~highqualitygifs, it will simply be called ~gifs."
It takes a fair amount of effort and suffering complaints to police HQG as an OC-only subreddit. For years it was approved-posters only to alleviate that. Now that the mod team is larger and the...
It takes a fair amount of effort and suffering complaints to police HQG as an OC-only subreddit. For years it was approved-posters only to alleviate that. Now that the mod team is larger and the popularity of HQG has grown, the notion of going back to approved-only comes up from time to time when the inevitable "why did my post get removed" modmail arrives.
I know it will take a heavy amount of moderation which I'm not sure would be a good fit for Tildes.
I'm a bit of a content creator myself and just wanted to say I appreciate that you took the risk so the entire discussion above could be had. I had been shying away from posting linked media...
I'm a bit of a content creator myself and just wanted to say I appreciate that you took the risk so the entire discussion above could be had. I had been shying away from posting linked media because I didn't know where the current/proper etiquette stood. Thank you!
I think there's certainly a place for original content here, but given the higher-brow focus of the site, it should probably be presented in a slightly more-robust way than one might expect from...
I think there's certainly a place for original content here, but given the higher-brow focus of the site, it should probably be presented in a slightly more-robust way than one might expect from other locations. I'm sure we'll figure it out as we grow here!
I think that comments do provide a good enough discussion. The quality of the posted content itself doesn't matter. If you look on reddit you get shit like this
I think that comments do provide a good enough discussion. The quality of the posted content itself doesn't matter. If you look on reddit you get shit like this
As someone who likes the show and comics, I totally agree with your assessment of it. I really wish it wasn't so formulaic. And of course it suffers from what pretty much all on screen superhero...
As someone who likes the show and comics, I totally agree with your assessment of it. I really wish it wasn't so formulaic. And of course it suffers from what pretty much all on screen superhero stories do - terrible representation of women.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting. And honestly I don't agree that this is low effort. Effort goes in both directions, people need to post comments that contribute to discussion if that's what they want.
Edit: also love Agents if Shield, and definitely thought the same lol
I fell out of watching The Flash, partly because of stuff outlined in the comic, partly because I get embarrassed for characters really easily and stopped watching in the middle of a scene that...
I fell out of watching The Flash, partly because of stuff outlined in the comic, partly because I get embarrassed for characters really easily and stopped watching in the middle of a scene that made me cringe. (Funnily enough, it was a conversation between Barry and Iris, although I don't remember what made me so embarrassed for him...)
What draws you to the show, despite the drawbacks you mentioned? I'd kind of like to get back into it (as well as Supergirl), but I've sort of forgotten what I liked about it.
PS I enjoyed the comic, @RamsesThePigeon! If you continue to find a lack of interest in your creations, maybe try ~creative? It won't necessarily reach people who like TV or a specific show, which is definitely a downside, but it's all about user-created content/art over there.
First of all, thank you! I'm pleased that it was enjoyable. It's interesting that you mentioned Supergirl as something you wanted to approach again. Speaking quite frankly, I found that particular...
First of all, thank you! I'm pleased that it was enjoyable.
It's interesting that you mentioned Supergirl as something you wanted to approach again. Speaking quite frankly, I found that particular offering to be something like a satire of what it purported itself to be. I'm one of those folks who has longed for more-robust female characters in my media, and I expected the show to provide an example of one... but instead, I felt like I was watching pretty standard gender roles with a thin veneer of women's empowerment plastered atop of them. (In many cases, the program seemed to take several steps backward, then hang a lantern on that motion by saying "Don't worry, though! She's strong and independent!")
My opinion may be the minority one, but I think the adage "Actions speak louder than words!" applies rather well here. To my eye, most of Supergirl's adventures follow a similar script:
FADE IN:
INT. KARA'S APARTMENT – NIGHT
EVERYONE is having a great time.
KARA: Ha ha! We are having a great time!
A bad thing happens.
ALEX: Oh, no! A bad thing! WINN: That's a thing that is bad! KARA: I will fix the bad thing! J'ONN: Let me help! KARA: I don't need a man to help me!
Kara rips her shirt open at the camera.
CUT TO:
EXT. NATIONAL CITY – THE SKY – NIGHT
Kara – now SUPERGIRL – flies toward the bad thing.
SUPERGIRL: I will stop the bad thing!
Kryptonite of some variety interrupts her.
WINN: (O.S.) I knew it was a bad thing! ALEX: (O.S.) Everyone rescue Supergirl! SUPERMAN: On it.
SUPERMAN saves the day.
CUT TO:
INT. SOMEWHERE ELSE – WHENEVER
Kara is recovering from her encounter with the bad thing. Alex approaches her with a pensive demeanor.
ALEX: Let's talk about my personal stuff for a second. KARA: La la la, not listening! ALEX: Now I'm upset.
CUT TO:
INT. DEO HEADQUARTERS
Winn tinkers with something. J'onn walks up behind him, looking concerned.
J'ONN: Did you fix the anti-plot-device thingamajig yet? WINN: I'll get it done by the end of the episode. J'ONN: (Checking his watch) You'd better hurry, I think the writer is getting bored.
CUT TO:
EXT. NATIONAL CITY – DAY
Supergirl approaches the bad thing again.
SUPERGIRL: I'm going to stop the bad thing this time! WINN: And I'll help! J'ONN: Me, too!
The bad thing is stopped.
SUPERGIRL: Hurray! I learned that I can't actually do anything on my own! WINN: Hang on, is that really what we should be... SUPERGIRL: (Interrupting) Girl power! WINN: (Muttering) Mixed messages much?
Superman shows up again for some reason.
SUPERMAN: Hey, I just stopped by to reiterate that you're stronger and better than me. WINN: Didn't you have to save her earl...
CUT TO:
INT. KARA'S APARTMENT – NIGHT
Kara and Alex are staring at each other with slightly sad smiles.
KARA: I'm sorry I ignored your thing. ALEX: That's okay, I just... KARA: (Interrupting) And I'm sorry that I thought I could do anything on my own. ALEX: What? You absolutely can! Why are you... KARA: (Interrupting) Yay! Best sister ever!
This is pretty much my issue with Supergirl. They keep telling you how strong and independent she is, but really fail to show you. Don't know if it's true, but the show watches like it's written...
This is pretty much my issue with Supergirl. They keep telling you how strong and independent she is, but really fail to show you. Don't know if it's true, but the show watches like it's written by men who don't have sisters. And judging from my discussions at the comicbook story, men do love it.
I think I did have similar issues with Supergirl in the time, which is one reason that I stopped watching it; I don't think it was as overtly annoying as Arrow became for me, though. (I tired of...
I think I did have similar issues with Supergirl in the time, which is one reason that I stopped watching it; I don't think it was as overtly annoying as Arrow became for me, though. (I tired of the "hero must protect loved ones by lying and/or doing something dangerous!" trope.) I do agree that Supergirl fell short of what they promised~
For me, it was really timing and the fact that I've only read a few major arcs for the Flash. I love the Flashpoint story, both in comics and animated movie, and was just craving a Flash story. It...
For me, it was really timing and the fact that I've only read a few major arcs for the Flash. I love the Flashpoint story, both in comics and animated movie, and was just craving a Flash story. It really helps that I only have passing knowledge of the Flash universe, so I can't nitpick the stories. I'm not caught up though and honestly can't stand Iris in the show.
I am a pretty big Batman fan and it makes watching Gotham pretty much impossible, though I did watch three seasons of it.
Also a fan of Supergirl comics, the first season was pretty much unwatchable for me. It grew on me, mostly because I do love Cat, Kara and Jordan's character.
And it's fun watching superheroes and comics come to life even if they don't follow the original stories. And I always binge these. If I had to wait a week, there's no way, it would be forgotten.
Edit: I did also watch two seasons of DC Legends, so I think I just have a good tolerance for bad TV.
I know what you mean about being less familiar with the source material helping; I've not really read much Flash, Arrow, or Supergirl, which probably made it a bit easier to overlook the annoying...
I know what you mean about being less familiar with the source material helping; I've not really read much Flash, Arrow, or Supergirl, which probably made it a bit easier to overlook the annoying aspects (although not in the end...).
A show that I have managed to stick with is Marvel's Agents of Shield, although I'm not completely caught up. I really enjoyed some of the later stuff that explored various sci fi concepts [edit: that mentioning would be a spoiler perhaps, so I definitely didn't do that >_>]. With Marvel I've mostly only read Spider-man (older issues and some newer Ultimate stuff), so I think this idea of being able to enjoy things you're less familiar with holds true here, too. I don't have any other Inhuman storylines to compare AoS to, for example.
Me too! (But i'm also not caught up...so shhh!) I love MAoS, and really just want a similar DC show, because I really am more a DC than Marvel fan. But I do love Spiderman too, especially the fox...
A show that I have managed to stick with is Marvel's Agents of Shield
Me too! (But i'm also not caught up...so shhh!)
I love MAoS, and really just want a similar DC show, because I really am more a DC than Marvel fan. But I do love Spiderman too, especially the fox cartoon from the 90s.
Oops, guess some of those sci fi concepts could be spoilers, sorry! I'd enjoy a similar DC show, too. The CW ones seem more like soap operas to me, if that makes sense. Smallville ended up feeling...
Oops, guess some of those sci fi concepts could be spoilers, sorry!
I'd enjoy a similar DC show, too. The CW ones seem more like soap operas to me, if that makes sense. Smallville ended up feeling that way, too. I never managed to finish it because I got fed up with things like the last-10-minute-summary syndrome; it felt like every episode had to be summed up at the end with the characters hashing out their feelings. I think those kinds of character moments are important, but not so predictably.
No worries, there's only one thing I didn't see yet and I already accidentally spoiled it for myself when I googled something totally unrelated about Daisy. I agree with the soap feel. I watched...
Oops, guess some of those sci fi concepts could be spoilers, sorry!
No worries, there's only one thing I didn't see yet and I already accidentally spoiled it for myself when I googled something totally unrelated about Daisy.
I agree with the soap feel. I watched the first seasons of Smallville too, and kinda fell out of love with it, though I loved their Luthor. Use to also watch Lois and Clark too.
Supernatural made fun of the "end with talking about your feelings" bit, and now I honestly think of that every time it comes up in shows now, and it does for every episode for the CW ones!
A portion of my job is dedicated to writing (and editing), so I suppose you could say that it's an interest of mine, yes. Outside of professional environments, though, I'm most attracted to...
A portion of my job is dedicated to writing (and editing), so I suppose you could say that it's an interest of mine, yes. Outside of professional environments, though, I'm most attracted to opportunities to inform or entertain... or both at once, when I can.
Isn't this exactly the kind of content that tildes is meant to get away from?
Is it? I was under the impression that the site was intended to be a haven for discussion and interesting content, and I'd like to think that the above submission could stimulate the former. (I'll leave judgment about whether or not it's actually interesting to other people.)
Activity in this community seemed to be lacking, so I wanted to offer what I could to add more of it. The content might not be of the highest quality, granted, but at least it's original.
I showed it to my sister who is a big fan of the show, and she liked it. It seems like if you have a ~tv group, and you have a ~creative group, then obviously content about tv shows is wanted, and obviously content someone exerted creative effort on is wanted.
Was just about to comment but didn't want to bump the thread. I'm not against "fun" necessarily, just against low effort content that doesn't entice any discussion.
The problem is, even with the website being as small as it is, there are still people who'll upvote this apparently. And the larger we grow the more this is going to become a problem, because not everyone coming in will be down to play by Tildes' rules. Especially if we open the sign-up floodgates.
While I can understand your concern, I'm not sure that "low-effort" applies here.
The above submission took several hours to write and assemble, and I'd like to think that it could foster a conversation about tired tropes in television.
With that said, I can certainly see how it appears to mirror many of the low-quality image macros and Twitter screenshots that we'd all like to avoid, at least at first glance.
Oh if that's original content, I might have been too quick to call it low-effort, apologies.
The problem with link only (especially image only) posts is that it's hard to have people start a conversation if there's no text accompanying it. The image in itself probably isn't going to cause people to comment discussing "television tropes", I think. But that's just my take on it, I might be wrong, can't speak for everyone.
It's still valid criticism, and you're right: I should have included some context, or at the very least a premise to serve as the catalyst for conversation. Unfortunately, having come from Reddit (just this morning, in fact), I've fallen into the bad habit of offering my content without any sort of accompanying explanation or avenues for discussion. Either way, thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts!
Oh, and just for future reference: Everything that I offer (unless explicitly specified otherwise) is my own original content. I've never liked the idea of using someone else's work, especially since my stated goal is to entertain people. I'm quite new here, and I doubt if my reputation has followed me... but given the nature of the Internet (and users' tendencies to steal), I hope you don't mind me clarifying.
I’m one of the bigger anti-fluff proponents on the site... however, I think the fact that your submission is original content, actually took real effort to create (wasn’t just a single image or meme) and was done in legitimate comic book form while attempting to spark discussion on the tropes in a comic book based tv show... all that speaks to your favour.
However I think there are some things you could have done differently that could have potentially helped even more. As you said, providing some context, perhaps in the form of an initial top-level comment or even submitting the comic as part of a self-text submission to help frame the discussion would have helped.
I also think identifying the work as original content, either by adding an ‘original content’ topic tag or mentioning it in the title would have helped as well, especially in preventing the comment section from being derailed by accusations of this being low effort content. I think people just saw images and text together and their gut reaction was negative since they assumed this was copied from somewhere else but had it been clearer at the outset it was original content that would have potentially prevented that.
But overall, I think you did a pretty good job of actually putting effort into not only the creation of the work itself, but also consideration for what sort of discussion you were hoping it would spark. The format just needs some minor tweaking is all. ;)
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback! When I come to Tildes with future offerings, I'll certainly keep it all in mind.
The imgur album already says "by RamsesThePigeon".
And, tagging something as original content doesn't mean it's not a meme: most memes on Reddit are made by the people who make them. Original content can still be shallow content.
This post is low-effort to consume, not produce. All it takes is for someone to scroll through, breathe out through their nose a little more intensely than normal, and then go on to the next post.
Tildes is about discussion. This thread has not spurred any discussion on "tired tropes in television". We want people to take the time to write out well considered comments. We want people to read the articles posted. If you want to have people talk about tv tropes you should either link a good article on the tropes you want to discuss, or write out an opinion to submit here directly.
I'm not certain that I agree with the idea that easily consumable content is intrinsically detrimental to discussion. A single-sentence question can prompt a lot of conversation, after all, and a photograph can easily foster a lot of debate. Furthermore, there's definitely something to be said for the nuance and complexity that are both associated with text, but couldn't the argument also be made that I did write out an opinion that I submitted here? Said opinion may have been presented by way of image-based media, but examination of that media easily reveals my perspective on the topic.
Now, one potential concern which I can see – and I suspect this is what you were arguing against – is that some people might approach easily consumable content from a surface-level perspective without even looking for any real depth. A well-written article would seem to remove that hazard... but I'm not sure that it actually does. We're all guilty of having read only the title of a piece before forming an opinion, for instance, and even those folks who make their way through an entire publication might very well skim or gloss over certain aspects of it. With that in mind, I'd suggest that people will always consume what (and in the way) they want to, regardless of what is actually being offered. When they're presented with an opinion offered as a series of images, at least we can assume that they'll make it all the way to the end.
That's my concern. I can only back this up with my personal experience, though.
Some of the best seeds for discussion are only a few words long. "What is consciousness?" and similar questions can be discussed and pondered for eternity. For content such as this submission, I think that the "consumption" begins and ends with reading the image for most people - including most tildes users. For philosophical questions, or more nuanced seeds to discussion, the consumption continues internally.
This goes back to what @Except highlighted: Had my submission been offered with some text-based context or encouragement toward a specific consideration, then its purpose and intention probably would have been more self-evident. I maintain that thoughts and opinions can be expressed in a variety of media, but given the reputation that image-based content has for being shallow and insubstantial, I can recognize the need to include more-robust calls to discussion.
Perhaps similar strategies could be employed with links to articles and such, too. If nothing else, it would mitigate the risk of having people read only the title.
We've been over the submission statement, no submission statement argument several times now in different discussion threads. The compromise was made that link submissions have an optional text field which shows up as a top level comment.
Don't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but I'd encourage you to lurk the place for a bit. You seem to be really eager to participate and contribute, and I know from reddit you have a history of good contributions, but I suggest you get a feel for the vibe a bit more before you dive in head first like I've seen you doing today.
We've been having some really good conversations you've missed out on on practically every aspect of the site, which have been going on for a month or more. The site is young and fertile, malleable, and open to new ideas. We've all been trying to bring the best aspects of different communities we've been a part of, and a lot of that has been what we don't like about reddit, and trying to get out of the reddit mindset.
So, I encourage you to try going to ~tildes, expand the scope to "all time", then try different sorting methods to find interesting discussions about the proposed direction and mechanics of the site. We're currently lacking a good way to catch up new users on what the site is about. FAQs, wikis, etc are in the cards, but that ought to get you caught up a bit anyway.
I'll definitely do that, thank you... and thank you for the compliment!
Cheers, and btw, this is great OC. I've never watched The Flash, so I totally don't get the reference, but it's very well made. I think this site should definitely have a place for content like this, but like I said to @EditingAndLayout at one point, "At the time this site is ready for a ~highqualitygifs, it will simply be called ~gifs."
It takes a fair amount of effort and suffering complaints to police HQG as an OC-only subreddit. For years it was approved-posters only to alleviate that. Now that the mod team is larger and the popularity of HQG has grown, the notion of going back to approved-only comes up from time to time when the inevitable "why did my post get removed" modmail arrives.
I know it will take a heavy amount of moderation which I'm not sure would be a good fit for Tildes.
I'm a bit of a content creator myself and just wanted to say I appreciate that you took the risk so the entire discussion above could be had. I had been shying away from posting linked media because I didn't know where the current/proper etiquette stood. Thank you!
I think there's certainly a place for original content here, but given the higher-brow focus of the site, it should probably be presented in a slightly more-robust way than one might expect from other locations. I'm sure we'll figure it out as we grow here!
Yay! It would be great to see a healthy creators community built here. I'm certainly willing to be patient in the name of doing it right.
@Deimos recently added the ability to post a comment along with a link submission during the submission process for this.
We've always had the ability to post a link in a text post. Submit a text post, write some commentary, include a link.
I think that comments do provide a good enough discussion. The quality of the posted content itself doesn't matter. If you look on reddit you get shit like this
As someone who likes the show and comics, I totally agree with your assessment of it. I really wish it wasn't so formulaic. And of course it suffers from what pretty much all on screen superhero stories do - terrible representation of women.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting. And honestly I don't agree that this is low effort. Effort goes in both directions, people need to post comments that contribute to discussion if that's what they want.
Edit: also love Agents if Shield, and definitely thought the same lol
I fell out of watching The Flash, partly because of stuff outlined in the comic, partly because I get embarrassed for characters really easily and stopped watching in the middle of a scene that made me cringe. (Funnily enough, it was a conversation between Barry and Iris, although I don't remember what made me so embarrassed for him...)
What draws you to the show, despite the drawbacks you mentioned? I'd kind of like to get back into it (as well as Supergirl), but I've sort of forgotten what I liked about it.
PS I enjoyed the comic, @RamsesThePigeon! If you continue to find a lack of interest in your creations, maybe try ~creative? It won't necessarily reach people who like TV or a specific show, which is definitely a downside, but it's all about user-created content/art over there.
First of all, thank you! I'm pleased that it was enjoyable.
It's interesting that you mentioned Supergirl as something you wanted to approach again. Speaking quite frankly, I found that particular offering to be something like a satire of what it purported itself to be. I'm one of those folks who has longed for more-robust female characters in my media, and I expected the show to provide an example of one... but instead, I felt like I was watching pretty standard gender roles with a thin veneer of women's empowerment plastered atop of them. (In many cases, the program seemed to take several steps backward, then hang a lantern on that motion by saying "Don't worry, though! She's strong and independent!")
My opinion may be the minority one, but I think the adage "Actions speak louder than words!" applies rather well here. To my eye, most of Supergirl's adventures follow a similar script:
FADE IN:
INT. KARA'S APARTMENT – NIGHT
EVERYONE is having a great time.
KARA: Ha ha! We are having a great time!
A bad thing happens.
ALEX: Oh, no! A bad thing!
WINN: That's a thing that is bad!
KARA: I will fix the bad thing!
J'ONN: Let me help!
KARA: I don't need a man to help me!
Kara rips her shirt open at the camera.
CUT TO:
EXT. NATIONAL CITY – THE SKY – NIGHT
Kara – now SUPERGIRL – flies toward the bad thing.
SUPERGIRL: I will stop the bad thing!
Kryptonite of some variety interrupts her.
WINN: (O.S.) I knew it was a bad thing!
ALEX: (O.S.) Everyone rescue Supergirl!
SUPERMAN: On it.
SUPERMAN saves the day.
CUT TO:
INT. SOMEWHERE ELSE – WHENEVER
Kara is recovering from her encounter with the bad thing. Alex approaches her with a pensive demeanor.
ALEX: Let's talk about my personal stuff for a second.
KARA: La la la, not listening!
ALEX: Now I'm upset.
CUT TO:
INT. DEO HEADQUARTERS
Winn tinkers with something. J'onn walks up behind him, looking concerned.
J'ONN: Did you fix the anti-plot-device thingamajig yet?
WINN: I'll get it done by the end of the episode.
J'ONN: (Checking his watch) You'd better hurry, I think the writer is getting bored.
CUT TO:
EXT. NATIONAL CITY – DAY
Supergirl approaches the bad thing again.
SUPERGIRL: I'm going to stop the bad thing this time!
WINN: And I'll help!
J'ONN: Me, too!
The bad thing is stopped.
SUPERGIRL: Hurray! I learned that I can't actually do anything on my own!
WINN: Hang on, is that really what we should be...
SUPERGIRL: (Interrupting) Girl power!
WINN: (Muttering) Mixed messages much?
Superman shows up again for some reason.
SUPERMAN: Hey, I just stopped by to reiterate that you're stronger and better than me.
WINN: Didn't you have to save her earl...
CUT TO:
INT. KARA'S APARTMENT – NIGHT
Kara and Alex are staring at each other with slightly sad smiles.
KARA: I'm sorry I ignored your thing.
ALEX: That's okay, I just...
KARA: (Interrupting) And I'm sorry that I thought I could do anything on my own.
ALEX: What? You absolutely can! Why are you...
KARA: (Interrupting) Yay! Best sister ever!
CUT TO:
CREDITS.
This is pretty much my issue with Supergirl. They keep telling you how strong and independent she is, but really fail to show you. Don't know if it's true, but the show watches like it's written by men who don't have sisters. And judging from my discussions at the comicbook story, men do love it.
I think I did have similar issues with Supergirl in the time, which is one reason that I stopped watching it; I don't think it was as overtly annoying as Arrow became for me, though. (I tired of the "hero must protect loved ones by lying and/or doing something dangerous!" trope.) I do agree that Supergirl fell short of what they promised~
For me, it was really timing and the fact that I've only read a few major arcs for the Flash. I love the Flashpoint story, both in comics and animated movie, and was just craving a Flash story. It really helps that I only have passing knowledge of the Flash universe, so I can't nitpick the stories. I'm not caught up though and honestly can't stand Iris in the show.
I am a pretty big Batman fan and it makes watching Gotham pretty much impossible, though I did watch three seasons of it.
Also a fan of Supergirl comics, the first season was pretty much unwatchable for me. It grew on me, mostly because I do love Cat, Kara and Jordan's character.
And it's fun watching superheroes and comics come to life even if they don't follow the original stories. And I always binge these. If I had to wait a week, there's no way, it would be forgotten.
Edit: I did also watch two seasons of DC Legends, so I think I just have a good tolerance for bad TV.
I know what you mean about being less familiar with the source material helping; I've not really read much Flash, Arrow, or Supergirl, which probably made it a bit easier to overlook the annoying aspects (although not in the end...).
A show that I have managed to stick with is Marvel's Agents of Shield, although I'm not completely caught up. I really enjoyed some of the later stuff that explored various sci fi concepts [edit: that mentioning would be a spoiler perhaps, so I definitely didn't do that >_>]. With Marvel I've mostly only read Spider-man (older issues and some newer Ultimate stuff), so I think this idea of being able to enjoy things you're less familiar with holds true here, too. I don't have any other Inhuman storylines to compare AoS to, for example.
Me too! (But i'm also not caught up...so shhh!)
I love MAoS, and really just want a similar DC show, because I really am more a DC than Marvel fan. But I do love Spiderman too, especially the fox cartoon from the 90s.
Oops, guess some of those sci fi concepts could be spoilers, sorry!
I'd enjoy a similar DC show, too. The CW ones seem more like soap operas to me, if that makes sense. Smallville ended up feeling that way, too. I never managed to finish it because I got fed up with things like the last-10-minute-summary syndrome; it felt like every episode had to be summed up at the end with the characters hashing out their feelings. I think those kinds of character moments are important, but not so predictably.
No worries, there's only one thing I didn't see yet and I already accidentally spoiled it for myself when I googled something totally unrelated about Daisy.
I agree with the soap feel. I watched the first seasons of Smallville too, and kinda fell out of love with it, though I loved their Luthor. Use to also watch Lois and Clark too.
Supernatural made fun of the "end with talking about your feelings" bit, and now I honestly think of that every time it comes up in shows now, and it does for every episode for the CW ones!
Do you take an interest in writing? I love how you pick the show apart using comedy, you're quite good at this.
A portion of my job is dedicated to writing (and editing), so I suppose you could say that it's an interest of mine, yes. Outside of professional environments, though, I'm most attracted to opportunities to inform or entertain... or both at once, when I can.
Well, I'm glad r/tildesinvitecodes hasn't been a complete waste of time to make.