I'll be the odd one out in this thread, but I loved it. Sure, it looks cliché and out of place in some places — but that's the point. It really set my expectations for the show higher than they...
I'll be the odd one out in this thread, but I loved it. Sure, it looks cliché and out of place in some places — but that's the point. It really set my expectations for the show higher than they were before (they were resolutely low, now they are mid-tier).
If they are playing off the fact that it's originally an anime (specifically an anime playing off old stereotypes of 1970s afro/ninja films), it may suit them far better in the long run to just have the level of kitsch that it seems they are (and should be!) aiming for.
Bebop is one of my all-time favorite animes, and I have also prattled on about the OSTs/Yoko Kanno and my love for them here on Tildes quite a few times over the years too. So I can totally...
Bebop is one of my all-time favorite animes, and I have also prattled on about the OSTs/Yoko Kanno and my love for them here on Tildes quite a few times over the years too. So I can totally understand people being ultra-critical and especially wary of this live-action adaptation... but like yourself, this trailer actually made me excited for the show now, when I was only cautiously optimistic before. I actually love that they tried to remain faithful to the original intro but with live-action elements thrown in. From what I can tell from the brief live-action moments in it, the costumes, sets, and lighting in the show look great. And the casting of John Cho and Mustafa Shakir couldn't be more perfect, IMO. So here's hoping it lives up to the excitement that hearing Tank! makes me feel. :P
Yup. This intro confirmed for me more than anything else that they are trying to be as faithful to the anime as possible, which was important for something as unique as Cowboy Bebop. So many...
Yup. This intro confirmed for me more than anything else that they are trying to be as faithful to the anime as possible, which was important for something as unique as Cowboy Bebop. So many adaptations lose the focus or idea immediately, especially with anime or games as a source, but this alleviated a bit of the reluctance I had. Still, until I see a scene to see how it all comes together, I don't think that reluctance will be gone any time soon.
I haven't followed the career of John Cho. I'm happy for him, but he's 49 years old. That's about 30 more than Spike (and if they aged the character that much, they really shouldn't have!)....
I haven't followed the career of John Cho. I'm happy for him, but he's 49 years old. That's about 30 more than Spike (and if they aged the character that much, they really shouldn't have!).
Because of his age, Cho doesn't look the part. Even an expert in martial arts would have trouble doing certain things at that age, and AFAIK Cho is not an accomplished martial artist.
Spike's age is one of the least important aspects of his character though, so why does it really matter how old Cho is? Besides, Cho looks really damn good for his age anyways, and he is a great...
Spike's age is one of the least important aspects of his character though, so why does it really matter how old Cho is? Besides, Cho looks really damn good for his age anyways, and he is a great actor so will very likely nail Spike's mannerisms, voice and behavior (which are the most important parts, IMO).
And TBH, I'm also not really worried about Cho's martial arts skills either, since the vast majority of skilled martial artist's are generally subpar actors. So if Cho has to rely on stunt doubles and a bit of camera trickery to make it seem like he's as skilled a fighter as Spike then that's fine with me too.
Spike's age may not be extremely relevant and some minor change there would definitely not be a big deal. However, going from 27 to 49 is not what I'd call "minor", but rather a very pronounced...
Spike's age may not be extremely relevant and some minor change there would definitely not be a big deal. However, going from 27 to 49 is not what I'd call "minor", but rather a very pronounced change.
It is definitely possible to use stunt doubles and tricks for most action scenes but that doesn't mean that is ideal. I mean, how good must mister Cho be to compensate for all that? I'm confident that there are numerous talented young Asian men that would be more suitable for the role.
You seem to be a fan of Mr. Cho which is obviously fine. However, as someone who barely knew he existed before that (I remember him from Star Trek but that's about it), yeah, he does seem to have been miscast.
That doesn't mean I think he's incapable of pulling this off, though. Everything indicates he's a good performer. But yeah, maybe this is not ideal casting.
Spike Spiegel being 27 years old sounds way more ridiculous than him being in his 40's. I get that Japanese fictional ages are always so much younger than they should be on average but this is...
Spike Spiegel being 27 years old sounds way more ridiculous than him being in his 40's. I get that Japanese fictional ages are always so much younger than they should be on average but this is certainly a wild one.
Looking it up, all the characters ages are way younger than their characters seem. Jet as 36? With his grizzled old man past? That's a more reasonable age for Spike if anything, while Jet should be in his late 40's. Faye as effectively 23 years old old while being a sultry femme fatale conwoman who can turn it on and off on a whim? Late 20's is what I had her pegged as, at least.
This is seeming more and more of a case where it's good the show adjusted the ages of the characters because these quasi-official ones are wild.
Well, I don't like it. A lot of dynamism was lost in the transition to live action. They tried to mymic when they should have recreated instead. Sorry John Cho, you seem like a good guy, but...
Well, I don't like it. A lot of dynamism was lost in the transition to live action. They tried to mymic when they should have recreated instead.
Sorry John Cho, you seem like a good guy, but you're simply too old to be Spike. Spike is zen Bruce Lee. He moves like water and you're almost 50, bro. You don't look the part. More importantly, you don't move the part. How many awesome Asian actors/martial-arts-specialists in their 20s Netflix must have turned down for this guy, I wonder?
I never expected Faye Valentine to look like the anime, she'd be cancelled so fast it's not even funny. And I totally understand that this change is actually necessary. However, eroticism is an integral part of that character and I expected that to translate in some shape or form. Netflix decided otherwise and now she looks like Ramona Flowers.
On the other hand, Jet looks perfect and so does Ein!
I am not excited for this show. Really hope I'm wrong.
Netflix should have given a chance to a not known martial artist actor for Spike, understandable they want to play it safe and Cho is the type of guy who will give it his best, but this is going...
Netflix should have given a chance to a not known martial artist actor for Spike, understandable they want to play it safe and Cho is the type of guy who will give it his best, but this is going to be a different Spike.
It looks like a filmmaker’s senior thesis. At points it just looks really bad. It would have been much better if they didn’t try so hard to make it look like an animation. The mixed aesthetics...
It looks like a filmmaker’s senior thesis. At points it just looks really bad. It would have been much better if they didn’t try so hard to make it look like an animation. The mixed aesthetics made it look really messy and amateur
Yes, they tried to be faithful to the animation. Bad idea, especially when you're talking about something as unique and stylized as Cowboy Bebop. Ironically, Bebop's opening credits are heavily...
Yes, they tried to be faithful to the animation. Bad idea, especially when you're talking about something as unique and stylized as Cowboy Bebop. Ironically, Bebop's opening credits are heavily inspired by film... mainly Saul Bass and 007 movies.
Not everything needs to be remade, but especially not anything animated needs to be remade. I can only think of extensions that are good, like the Animatrix or Star Wars Visions. But when it comes...
Not everything needs to be remade, but especially not anything animated needs to be remade. I can only think of extensions that are good, like the Animatrix or Star Wars Visions. But when it comes to remakes, I was talking about this reveal with some friends, and none of us could come up with a remake that was equal or better than an animated original. I hope to be corrected, so please let me know of any examples. I am very disappointed so far, and can only hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Two words: Ruroni Kenshin. You've got 5 movies worth of excellent adaptations. It's not without flaws. Sometimes the plot feels is a bit rushed (because adapting whole arcs of a manga without cuts...
so please let me know of any examples
Two words: Ruroni Kenshin. You've got 5 movies worth of excellent adaptations.
It's not without flaws. Sometimes the plot feels is a bit rushed (because adapting whole arcs of a manga without cuts isn't feasible ever), Kaoru was downgraded to be a damsel in distress while in the manga at least she could hold her own against secondary villains, and I'm not entirely convinced of he looks of Shishio (it's... too faithful).
But as for the rest... it's really good.
Everyone else looksstellar (how did they manage to get an Asian with redhead looks good I have no idea, and I am one) and so are the sets, and boy, did they nailed the fight choreography. It's kinetic and physical (they actually move around and use their environment instead of just flailing their sword around), and still highly readable. This is far from my favorite fight scene and it still kicks ass. It helps that the choreographer (Kenji Tanigaki) is a Hong-Kong regular and that Takeru Sato (Kenshin's actor) is an actual breakdancer and kempo practitioner.
I wish they had left the Matrix with the first one and Animatrix, then continued working within the animated universe. I think you and your friends are right, though. Check this list. If you drop...
I wish they had left the Matrix with the first one and Animatrix, then continued working within the animated universe.
I think you and your friends are right, though. Check this list. If you drop comic-based properties, I can't see anything that stands.
Also, they made a live action The Garbage Pail Kids Movie... wtf.
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie actually has pretty decent costumes and practical effects in it. I had fond memories of watching it in my childhood, but on rewatching it as an adult it's hard to deny...
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie actually has pretty decent costumes and practical effects in it. I had fond memories of watching it in my childhood, but on rewatching it as an adult it's hard to deny that the story and acting are absolutely terrible.
Not going to lie, it looked a little amateurish when they recreate the silhouette bits that just aren't working in live action, but I liked it more when they dipped into more conventional bits of...
Not going to lie, it looked a little amateurish when they recreate the silhouette bits that just aren't working in live action, but I liked it more when they dipped into more conventional bits of OP tropes of introducing the rogues gallery and showing the pivotal moments. Worst case scenario, Netflix has the skip intro button if it ever gets old, but I could see it growing on me.
I want to give it a chance and wait for the last trailer before the release. But i am not going to give any high hopes to any anime adaptation that comes from Netflix after what they did to one of...
I want to give it a chance and wait for the last trailer before the release. But i am not going to give any high hopes to any anime adaptation that comes from Netflix after what they did to one of my favorite animes as Death Note. No Netflix shill is going to convince me to give a chance to a "reimagined" adaptation.
Speaking of this trailer they should have come up with a different and original intro, they could make an spectacular intro with the help of Yoko on their sides.
Death Note was not just bad, it was laughable :( I honestly don't know how an anime live action adaptation can even work, even the Japanese ones are beyond ridiculous. Maybe some things are meant...
Death Note was not just bad, it was laughable :(
I honestly don't know how an anime live action adaptation can even work, even the Japanese ones are beyond ridiculous. Maybe some things are meant to be cartoons.
I'll be the odd one out in this thread, but I loved it. Sure, it looks cliché and out of place in some places — but that's the point. It really set my expectations for the show higher than they were before (they were resolutely low, now they are mid-tier).
If they are playing off the fact that it's originally an anime (specifically an anime playing off old stereotypes of 1970s afro/ninja films), it may suit them far better in the long run to just have the level of kitsch that it seems they are (and should be!) aiming for.
Bebop is one of my all-time favorite animes, and I have also prattled on about the OSTs/Yoko Kanno and my love for them here on Tildes quite a few times over the years too. So I can totally understand people being ultra-critical and especially wary of this live-action adaptation... but like yourself, this trailer actually made me excited for the show now, when I was only cautiously optimistic before. I actually love that they tried to remain faithful to the original intro but with live-action elements thrown in. From what I can tell from the brief live-action moments in it, the costumes, sets, and lighting in the show look great. And the casting of John Cho and Mustafa Shakir couldn't be more perfect, IMO. So here's hoping it lives up to the excitement that hearing Tank! makes me feel. :P
Yup. This intro confirmed for me more than anything else that they are trying to be as faithful to the anime as possible, which was important for something as unique as Cowboy Bebop. So many adaptations lose the focus or idea immediately, especially with anime or games as a source, but this alleviated a bit of the reluctance I had. Still, until I see a scene to see how it all comes together, I don't think that reluctance will be gone any time soon.
I haven't followed the career of John Cho. I'm happy for him, but he's 49 years old. That's about 30 more than Spike (and if they aged the character that much, they really shouldn't have!).
Because of his age, Cho doesn't look the part. Even an expert in martial arts would have trouble doing certain things at that age, and AFAIK Cho is not an accomplished martial artist.
Spike's age is one of the least important aspects of his character though, so why does it really matter how old Cho is? Besides, Cho looks really damn good for his age anyways, and he is a great actor so will very likely nail Spike's mannerisms, voice and behavior (which are the most important parts, IMO).
And TBH, I'm also not really worried about Cho's martial arts skills either, since the vast majority of skilled martial artist's are generally subpar actors. So if Cho has to rely on stunt doubles and a bit of camera trickery to make it seem like he's as skilled a fighter as Spike then that's fine with me too.
Spike's age may not be extremely relevant and some minor change there would definitely not be a big deal. However, going from 27 to 49 is not what I'd call "minor", but rather a very pronounced change.
It is definitely possible to use stunt doubles and tricks for most action scenes but that doesn't mean that is ideal. I mean, how good must mister Cho be to compensate for all that? I'm confident that there are numerous talented young Asian men that would be more suitable for the role.
You seem to be a fan of Mr. Cho which is obviously fine. However, as someone who barely knew he existed before that (I remember him from Star Trek but that's about it), yeah, he does seem to have been miscast.
That doesn't mean I think he's incapable of pulling this off, though. Everything indicates he's a good performer. But yeah, maybe this is not ideal casting.
Spike Spiegel being 27 years old sounds way more ridiculous than him being in his 40's. I get that Japanese fictional ages are always so much younger than they should be on average but this is certainly a wild one.
Looking it up, all the characters ages are way younger than their characters seem. Jet as 36? With his grizzled old man past? That's a more reasonable age for Spike if anything, while Jet should be in his late 40's. Faye as effectively 23 years old old while being a sultry femme fatale conwoman who can turn it on and off on a whim? Late 20's is what I had her pegged as, at least.
This is seeming more and more of a case where it's good the show adjusted the ages of the characters because these quasi-official ones are wild.
Well, I don't like it. A lot of dynamism was lost in the transition to live action. They tried to mymic when they should have recreated instead.
Sorry John Cho, you seem like a good guy, but you're simply too old to be Spike. Spike is zen Bruce Lee. He moves like water and you're almost 50, bro. You don't look the part. More importantly, you don't move the part. How many awesome Asian actors/martial-arts-specialists in their 20s Netflix must have turned down for this guy, I wonder?
I never expected Faye Valentine to look like the anime, she'd be cancelled so fast it's not even funny. And I totally understand that this change is actually necessary. However, eroticism is an integral part of that character and I expected that to translate in some shape or form. Netflix decided otherwise and now she looks like Ramona Flowers.
On the other hand, Jet looks perfect and so does Ein!
I am not excited for this show. Really hope I'm wrong.
Netflix should have given a chance to a not known martial artist actor for Spike, understandable they want to play it safe and Cho is the type of guy who will give it his best, but this is going to be a different Spike.
Ein is perfect.
It looks like a filmmaker’s senior thesis. At points it just looks really bad. It would have been much better if they didn’t try so hard to make it look like an animation. The mixed aesthetics made it look really messy and amateur
Yes, they tried to be faithful to the animation. Bad idea, especially when you're talking about something as unique and stylized as Cowboy Bebop. Ironically, Bebop's opening credits are heavily inspired by film... mainly Saul Bass and 007 movies.
I wish these studios would realize that not everything needs to be remade.
This intro reminds me of Danger 5.
Not everything needs to be remade, but especially not anything animated needs to be remade. I can only think of extensions that are good, like the Animatrix or Star Wars Visions. But when it comes to remakes, I was talking about this reveal with some friends, and none of us could come up with a remake that was equal or better than an animated original. I hope to be corrected, so please let me know of any examples. I am very disappointed so far, and can only hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Two words: Ruroni Kenshin. You've got 5 movies worth of excellent adaptations.
It's not without flaws. Sometimes the plot feels is a bit rushed (because adapting whole arcs of a manga without cuts isn't feasible ever), Kaoru was downgraded to be a damsel in distress while in the manga at least she could hold her own against secondary villains, and I'm not entirely convinced of he looks of Shishio (it's... too faithful).
But as for the rest... it's really good.
Everyone else looks stellar (how did they manage to get an Asian with redhead looks good I have no idea, and I am one) and so are the sets, and boy, did they nailed the fight choreography. It's kinetic and physical (they actually move around and use their environment instead of just flailing their sword around), and still highly readable. This is far from my favorite fight scene and it still kicks ass. It helps that the choreographer (Kenji Tanigaki) is a Hong-Kong regular and that Takeru Sato (Kenshin's actor) is an actual breakdancer and kempo practitioner.
Also: Oldboy was originally a manga, and Edge of Tomorrow comes from a light novel.
I wish they had left the Matrix with the first one and Animatrix, then continued working within the animated universe.
I think you and your friends are right, though. Check this list. If you drop comic-based properties, I can't see anything that stands.
Also, they made a live action The Garbage Pail Kids Movie... wtf.
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie actually has pretty decent costumes and practical effects in it. I had fond memories of watching it in my childhood, but on rewatching it as an adult it's hard to deny that the story and acting are absolutely terrible.
I had a lot of GPC stuff as a kid. I wish I had known they blessed us with a cinematic experience. That was a great year for film.
Not going to lie, it looked a little amateurish when they recreate the silhouette bits that just aren't working in live action, but I liked it more when they dipped into more conventional bits of OP tropes of introducing the rogues gallery and showing the pivotal moments. Worst case scenario, Netflix has the skip intro button if it ever gets old, but I could see it growing on me.
No Ed?
Ed wasn't in the first few episodes, maybe they're planning to evolve the credits.
I want to give it a chance and wait for the last trailer before the release. But i am not going to give any high hopes to any anime adaptation that comes from Netflix after what they did to one of my favorite animes as Death Note. No Netflix shill is going to convince me to give a chance to a "reimagined" adaptation.
Speaking of this trailer they should have come up with a different and original intro, they could make an spectacular intro with the help of Yoko on their sides.
Death Note was not just bad, it was laughable :(
I honestly don't know how an anime live action adaptation can even work, even the Japanese ones are beyond ridiculous. Maybe some things are meant to be cartoons.