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What are you reading these days?
What are you reading currently? Fiction or non-fiction or poetry, any genre, any language! Tell us what you're reading, and talk about it a bit.
What are you reading currently? Fiction or non-fiction or poetry, any genre, any language! Tell us what you're reading, and talk about it a bit.
I've somehow fallen into a weird genre of sci-fi that I'm really liking that I'd call... bureaucratic horror? administrative eldritch? Some of it is SCP adjacent, some eldritchy. The three that come to mind are:
A month ago was There Is No Antimemetics Division by qntm. It's about a governmental organization tasked with understanding and maintaining antimemetic species, creatures whose defense mechanism is that people can't remember them, that they don't stick in memory.
Then came the Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley, in which the UK gets its hand on time travel and does boring stuff with it. This one was recommended on Obama's 2024 summer reading list.
This week it's Lexicon by Max Barry. It's about Poets, really persuasive people that control people with words, and how they control the world.
I recommend all three books, but I'm super easy to impress.
I'm coming up on the end of Lexicon, so if anyone's got a recommendation in the same subsubgenre, lemme know. Bonus points if it's a series, and the longer the better. I feel like getting immersed.
Just chiming in to say that the audio book of The Ministry of Time is great. It feels like someone telling a story instead of like someone reading a book.
There Is No Antimemetics Division sounded right up my alley when I saw your post and I'm about halfway through right now! As a massive fan of the video game Control, this book feels like a perfect accompaniment.
I just started reading the Cradle series by Will Wight and I have a problem with how much they are taking over my life…
Luckily I was traveling so I read most of the first two books on the plane there, and then read books 3 and 4 on the way back. I’m struggling to put the books down now that I’m back home.
My excuse is I’m on the one month trial of Kindle Unlimited from reading the latest “Beware of Chicken” book…but also if I manage to finish the series before my month of Kindle Unlimited ends I think that is a dangerous neglect of the rest of my life in favor of just reading. I have a problem with putting books down.
I'm really sorry to tell you that the quality of the Cradle series does not hold into the later books of the series.
It grows exponentially. You'll rapidly consume the remaining books, soon finding yourself at the end. And then you'll be empty. Nothing will fill the void. But you will be ok with that.
Enjoy!
I read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, which is a sort of postmodern conspiracy novel about a group of editors who, for a lark, invent a world-spanning conspiracy that seems to leak into reality in frightening and dangerous ways.
In theory, this should have been my favorite novel ever written -- just the premise alone instantly captivated me, to say nothing of the fantastic prose, compelling characters, a prescient and nuanced thematic framework that somehow managed to speak directly to our current historical moment -- of LLMs and ascendant, disorderly authoritarianism -- despite being published in the eighties; not to mention a rich and instructive conversation with its own historical context; not to mention its delightfully convoluted central conspiracy.
So everything about the novel was great, except one element that made me actually, genuinely dislike it: the pacing. This novel is the size of a birthday cake, my copy was six hundred and fifty pages long; I genuinely believe it would have benefited from cutting like half of that. Almost the entire first half of the novel is dedicated to introducing characters and themes with LITERALLY no plot whatsoever; even when we finally do get some motion, the story mostly feels directionless and unmotivated because our perspective character is almost entirely reactive. And huge amounts of page space are dedicated to historical or esoteric figures and events that could have been done justice with only a passing mention. Foucault's Pendulum might, for you, be like your favorite book of all time -- all the pieces are there for something absolutely extraordinary, but they're just placed too far apart from each other, and so finishing it was, for me, an absolute slog. I am now looking forward to reading absolutely anything else.
Supposedly Eco wrote Foucault's Pendulum as a reaction to critics who complained about there being too many obscure references in The Name of the Rose, and I agree that the obscure references get in the way of what would otherwise be a really good story. His later Numero Zero did a much better job of linking together conspiracies without becoming overwhelming.
I've only read 'The Name of the Rose' but that kind of stuff you disliked was what I liked about Eco's writing :)
Something about me: I don't read a whole lot. I used to read a good amount, when I was a kid in primary and middle school with no friends and nothing else to do during breaks except go to the school library, but at some point, I stopped. I'm not sure if it's when I started having positive social interactions, when I got a phone or just when my ADHD began to worsen, but ever since, I've barely read any books and finished even less, save for comics (mostly manga, which I do read a ton of at least) and technical books. It's not an uncommon story but it does suck.
As of late, though, I've started to manage my attention span somewhat better. Enough that, despite being someone who starts a thousand projects and never finishes them, I've managed to make actual, tangible, promising progress on my latest game dev project. And because of that, I thought I should do research on my game's theme, mind upload, by reading stories related to it.
I... did not actually do that. The books I found were too long and intimidating. BUT. On the opposite shelf to the Greg Egan books I was looking at, there was a collection of short stories (Les Voltigeurs de Gy; I'm sorry, I have no idea what the original title is but I think this specific collection is French only anyway) by Ursula Le Guin, a name I recognized from hearing about her online... so I picked it up. And I actually finished it! Sure, it was over two reading sessions separated by a week or two, but I read a whole book, which hadn't happened in multiple years! Hurray! It may seem silly, but I'm proud of myself!
I really enjoyed Le Guin's writing there; the anthropological and ethnological focus of her worldbuilding appeals to me a lot, among many things I'm struggling to describe. It made me want to read more of her work. Hence, the reason I'm coming into this thread today is that I borrowed Rocannon's World to try continuing, since its length seems approachable, and I hope it goes well for me. I'd like to be able to read long books again. I have other major interests now, so I doubt I'll ever be as much of a reader as I was as a kid, but books are important. Wish me luck!
Love Le Guin's writing, she has a magical way with words. 'The Left Hand Of Darkness' is my personal favourite of what I've read.
I also managed to get back to reading despite my ADHD. It helped to go back to print books, and to have a specific room in the house where I go to read. The other thing was figuring out what I really wanted to read. Even if I have a list of books to read, following it too closely can be demotivating. Learning what I actually wanted to read was harder than I thought. Ursula Le Guin is on my list mostly because I feel that I must read at least some science fiction written by women. So it feels like an obligation right now. I expect to learn more about her so I feel compelled to read it, and not just obligated. Right now I'm into some tech-oriented sci-fi, but I expect that to change in a little while. I like Greg Egan too but I'm trying to read things that are older (classics) and also easier right now, since I'm reestablishing my reading habit. Although I love the thoughts Egan makes me think, actually reading him can be difficult. Even more so for me because English is not my first language.
I'm constantly in a similar boat with reading in general. I really enjoyed the Eathsea trilogy by Ursula LeGuin.
I am on a mission to inform people that she revisited Earthsea and it hasn't been a trilogy for a while. There are two more novels and a collection of short stories waiting for you.
Oh sweet!
While reading Rendezvous with Rama, it was clear I was not done with Arthur C. Clarke. So I ordered and read Childhood's End (1953).
While Rama is a "mysterious object" story, Childhood's End has a much broader scope.
Significant spoilers
It starts with an alien invasion that turns into a "mysterious yet benevolent dictator" scenario and then morphs into a psychic apotheosis. The story takes place in about 100 years, and we can see humankind evolve under the benevolent yet stringent control of the Alien overlords, only for a new step of our evolution to suddenly present itself as a form of broad and powerful psychic powers that connects children to the ominous Mind guiding their progress, of which our alien Overlords were merely the messengers -- shepherds that guide and protect civilizations destined to merge with it."Childhood's End" has many protagonists that replace each other like in a relay race. Important characters are present throughout the book, assisting in its continuity, but none of them are humans. The persistent bit is the evolutionary process, how humankind evolves culturally and as a society. In a way, it is as if humankind were the real identity behind the actions, while the characters are little more than extensions -- the moving limbs and digits of a central intelligence. I know many complain about these Golden Age science fiction characters that feel more like plot devices than people, but what can I say? I like them, and I think they make sense in that book even more than in "Rendezvous with Rama".
That is not to say that they are not developed with interesting quirks and unique personalities. They most certainly are, but not to the extent that fans of other genres might expect.
I keep thinking that this book works far better than it should because it tells, essentially, three different stories that have no business being that cohesive.
More spoilers
First: a story of a mysterious alien invasion and domination. Second: a story about our indolence under benevolent invaders. Third: a story about psychism emerging in humankind under the coercion of a powerful, godlike Mind.That was a highly enjoyable read. Clarke is a master of mystery, and the pace with which he dispenses information sustained my curiosity while rewarding it in real ways at regular intervals. Except for some things even the characters cannot fathom, when the time comes, Clarke is not afraid to explain even the most bewildering elements in the most clear and straightforward way. That is very satisfying.
The ending, while grand, failed to impress me. I don't believe that was a failure of the book, but rather a consequence of reading it 73 years after its release. Many elements of the ending are probably not nearly as impactful as they were in 1953. As a reader in 2026, I kinda expected the speculation to go a bit further, going deeper into the realm of cosmic horror. It is entirely possible that elements of this book became part of our general science fiction culture, mitigating its impact. This is not really a criticism of the book, but rather a commentary on how genre fiction evolves with time.
★★★★☆
I'll probably read Arthur C. Clarke's The City and the Stars next!
I just caught up on the Dungeon Crawler Carl series. Over the last couple of weeks I breezed through the entire series and it's been so much fun! Really looking forward to the next entry in May.
After DCC I was ready for a change of pace and opted for The Killing Star by Charles R. Pellegrino and George Zebrowski. It's speculative fiction that starts similarly to DCC where first contact proves to be devastating to humans. Sober in tone and an intriguing thought piece on what would actually happen in such an event.
Then I finally went back and finished King of Ashes by S.A. Crosby. In the end, I found it an enjoyable, fairly quick read, but probably not something I would revisit. I suppose my interests right now are more focused on sci-fi and some non-fiction. Eventually I'd like to check out All the Sinners Bleed or some of his other works, but I won't be rushing to them.
I'm now juggling two books, the first of which I'm halfway through; Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir. It's been ages since I've read a book in preparation for the film adaptation coming out. It's also my first Weir novel and I can see why he's so popular. The writing is snappy and entertaining. The Martian and Artemis seem like great future reads based on my taste right now.
The other book I started up is Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future by Dan Wang. This one came as a recommendation from a friend currently working through it. The subject is of immense interest examining China's technological and geopolitical rise while comparing it against America's current, more lawyerly, state.
I'm reading the Lion Women of Tehran
I'm reading the Eye of the Bedlam Bride from the Dungeon Crawler Carl series.
I'm about to start the Truth by Terry Pratchett for Tildes book club.
I'm about to start Every Tongue Got to Confess, a collection of folk tales collected by Zorah Hurston in the Gulf States. (These include some of the same stories that inspired Uncle Remus and Song Of The South. I'm looking forward to reading a version collected by an African American. Hurston is also a gifted author)
I read the Witches of Thistle Grove series, and those started so strong and just became unhinged by the end. Then for my book club we read The Place Where They Buried Your Heart by Christina Henry, and it was good; the ending was a tiny bit rushed, but it was a good book overall. The next book for my book club is This Is How You Lose the Time War, and I'm excited about it, and then I have The Reformatory to read for myself. Lots of books going on. I actually have several books checked out right now, but I generally only read one at a time.
After you read This is how you lose the time war, check out the Tildes book club discussion.
Will do!
Finished Simone de Beaviour's 'The Woman Destroyed' Published 1967. This book consists of 3 novellas each from the perspective on a woman in a different part of their lives. These are very much not happy women, they have been wronged and or neglected by their families and partners, this book is very miserable. The first novella really grabbed me, portraying a sort of 'Sadness' the second story was more a 'Bitterness' that I didn't really like and the third was something like 'Weakness' that was pretty good. Recommended.
Then I started into Anatole France's 'Penguin Island' Published 1908. Previously I have read 'The Gods Will Have Blood' by France and really loved it, amazing prose writer. This book has a very strange premise....
"After a nearsighted monk, Abbot Maël, accidentally baptizes a colony of penguins, God turns them into humans, leading to a society defined by greed, violence, and bureaucratic absurdity"
It's a satire on human history and French history and it is really awful. Reads like a sci-fi/fantasy book (and not a good one) I couldn't even make it 100 pages and I almost never give up on a book. There are much better examples of this alternate history thing in the world of sci-fi/fantasy that is much better done. One that I remember enjoying is Kim Stanley Robinson's 'The Years of Rice and Salt'.
Now I'm reading Mikhail Bulgakov's 'Heart of a Dog' Published in 1968, written in 1925. Short little satire on Bolshevism, very enjoyable so far! Probably finish it in a couple more days, another book with a very strange premise:
"In post-revolutionary Moscow, a celebrated surgeon rescues a stray dog from the streets and performs a radical experiment: transplanting human organs into the animal in the hope of advancing science. The procedure works—but not as intended. The dog begins to transform into a man, and with the change comes not enlightenment but vulgarity, aggression, and a taste for petty power."
Oddly similar to France's book except this one is very short and well executed and pretty funny. It knows what it is and doesn't take itself too seriously. I've read 'The Master and Margarita' previously and while I mostly enjoyed it I thought a lot of it went over my head, there are lots of references to Soviet life that I definitely missed and or did not understand to properly 'get' that book.
I just started the audiobook of All The Presidents Men narrated by Richard Poe. Poe also did Blood Meridian and may be the best narrator for serious books.
Before this was The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which was great — and I like the structure more than the film.
Hubert Dreyfus did an interesting series breaking down Moby Dick —
I need to find who mentioned it, but it was someone here/u/plutonic mentioned it. I love this book and thought i understood it, but there’s so much more to it. I ripped this to an m4a, renamed to an m4b and listened like normal.Before these two I read Walter Mosely’s Devil in a Blue Dress because I had it for some reason. very run-of-the-mill historical crime story. i think some of the money was off, but it wasn’t the worst. i won’t continue with the series, however.
After All the Presidents Men i think i’ll hit up Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. it’s fun to revisit these kids books as an adult.
Glad you enjoyed the Dreyfus, I always recommend it to anyone who is a fan of Moby Dick, he adds an incredible amount of depth and leaves you with lots to think about.
at first I was kind of frustrated by the window and other distractions --- but once it gets going, its really charming. That's a great find. I kind of wish there were an annotated audiobook that cut between a part of the novel and then to a breakdown / discussion like this. Thanks again!
If We Were Villains I thought was semi-interesting for the first third of it and then it loses its steam. The characters are one dimensional and it does this weird thing where it’ll just quote a lot of Shakespeare. It was very YA, and there was a moment where I realized that lots of people I text with text in a similar way because they read a lot of this stuff.
American Dirt was super controversial six years ago because a white woman wrote it. I think there’s a good story here even if the bits and pieces of Spanish language makes me cringe. Should a white woman handle these types of stories? Sure. I think people get too uppity about depictions of the Mexicans cartel because it apparently makes us look bad.
Violin is the first book from Anne Rice that I’ve read. And because in the lead up to this I read two page turners back to back, it reminded me what good prose looks like. I love the poetic way in which she writes. And I find her a fascinating author since she popularized those types of monster love stories that is basically still propping up the book industry.
Work has taken up a lot of my energy the past few weeks, but I've finally gotten started in László Krasznahorkai's Satantango.
Looking forward to hearing what you think about it when finsihed.
Just finished the audiobook for Paradise Lost, by Milton. I picked it up as part of my "classic books to listen to while I shower series", inspired by the previous book Frankenstein where the monster mentions having read it.
As a quick overview, it's a retelling of the biblical story of Adam and Eve being tempted by Satan to eat the tree of knowledge, and thus being kicked out of Eden. The author greatly expands the myth, taking many creative liberties to expand the "world" of Christianity with new important characters and events, so the story covers everything from Satan's original rebellion and fall, the creation of earth, the Eden incident, and even has a cute little "flashforward" sequence showing some other biblical events to come.
The story, despite being a nearly heretical amount of made-up, obviously has very Christian roots, and the constant theme of "God is #1" is omnipresent, and not subtle at all. It still does a decent job of creatively analyzing some of those ideas, if not intended by the Author at least for a modern reader; Satan is legitimately sympathetic at several points (balanced of course by the occasional "but remember he is actually super evil"). The story of Adam and Eve and the fall is also interesting; I enjoy that in this telling, Adam doesn't get "tricked" into eating the fruit, but rather makes the conscious decision that he loves Eve so much he'd rather die with her than live without, very bittersweet and human motivation. (This is more or less immediately undermined in following chapters, but alas).
Obviously, a book being written in the 17th century is going to be a product of its time. But even through that lens, a lot of the Eve descriptions were tough. She's described as heavenly beautiful, but more importantly as servile and obedient at all times to Adam. Her sin is not even framed as eating the apple, it's not listening to Adam when he wanted to stick together. And this isn't a one-time event; it is drilled in repeatedly that Eves best purpose is to be obedient and serve Adam, and she is super thrilled to do that every time it gets brought up. I feel like there is a more interesting characterization to be made for Eve (and given the age and renown of this work I'm sure several authors have made their own take), but it was the only real cringe moments of the book.
Overall enjoyed the book, it had some proper hype moments and cool language, and it was cool to see a classic mythologization of Christianity. I even made this niche meme inspired by one of the events. https://imgflip.com/i/ajdp3e
Awesome! I don't run into very many people who have consumed Paradise Lost in it's entirety, I read the whole thing a couple years ago, really neat reading experience. How was it as an Audiobook? It was difficult enough to read the physical copy which contained a LOT of reference notes in the back. Did you just let it wash over you and not worry about it too much? The poetry is extremely beautiful.
Milton's portrayal of Satan as sympathetic also caught me off guard and was extremely controversial for the time and even now. It is a very interesting take on the Adam and Eve myth and I always find it interesting how much of popular knowledge of that myth comes from this poem and not the actual story in the Bible. Much like how most of the popular understanding of Hell comes from Dante's Inferno.
I've really been meaning to watch the Yale Open Courses ENGL 220 series of lectures on Milton, I'm going to move those way up on my list, thanks for the reminder. I'm watching the ENGL 300 'Introduction to Theory of Literature' lectures right now but they are so far over my head I can barely follow along. Interesting none the less.
It was great! I had the version read by Anton Lesser (from Libro.fm), he has a very good storytelling voice, and the poem lends itself well to listening. That's actually why I started this shower series, I have trouble keeping my attention on older books' vernacular, but as spoken word it's a lot easier to move through. Being an audiobook there weren't any footnotes, but this version did have a short summary before each chapter that explained the plot of that chapter in modern English, so you could immediately grok what was going on and could just enjoy the prose
That sounds great! I recommend giving Dante's Inferno a try, Purgatorio and especially Paradisio get really out in the weeds but Inferno is a fun read.
Continuing to read the Vorkosigan saga.
“Brothers In Arms” is the current read.
This is the first one in the reading order I’m following:
Where I’ve not really connected with the story. Easily my least favourite so far.
Still salty this was sold to me as a mil series when it is in fact full fat space opera. Never mind, I’ll find another great mil series at some point I’m sure.
I’m mercifully near the end of Brothers In Arms, so it’s got that going for it at least. Next up will be Mirror Dance
The good news is that the series is really about to really hit its stride. The bad news is that it probably gets even less military-y (hahaha).
Mirror Dance, Memory, Komarr, and A Civil Campaign are all top 5 Vorkosigan books, imo. Bujold was on another level for this stretch. None of them are military SF but they are so much more memorable to me than the somewhat standard "space opera adventures" that define the early part of the series.
Really good books, even if they're not the military SF you were hoping for.
(The other book I'd put in the top 5 is Barrayar).
I've enjoyed the series so far on the (Jackson's) whole. I doubt much will ever top the Aeon 14 universe for me, that thing is magnificent. I get the impression I'm running out of 'my thing' in the SF world, having been at it for over 40 years :-(
Listening, rather than reading, but I just finished book 8, of 9, of Lucky's Marines by Joshua James. It came across some feed of mine described as:
The author describes it as:
I like all those things, so I decided to give it a try.
In the beginning (Book 1), it had a few moments that left me confused about what was happening, and/or feeling like the book was more "Young adult" than "Adult science fiction". But I enjoyed it, and would rate that first book at 7/10.
Books 2-4 bit into me more, I understood more and enjoyed them more, 8/10.
Books 5-8 really "took off" for me plot wise, leaving me excited to start the next book, 8.5/10.
Looking forward to starting book 9 later this week, and wrapping the series up.
The books are shorter than most of my others, the audiobooks come in at an average of 6 hours per book, so fairly easy reads. And it's almost entirely action-packed. There is enough dialogue for character and plot development, but the majority of the books are "things happening" more than "people talking".
I just finished reading the sheltering sky by Paul bowles and I am torn on how I feel about this book. The prose and all that was really good but the characters and parts of the story was just not really my jam. Its a good book I guess but every time I searched for reviews people were gushing over how amazing it is. I dunno man. Iv never really been so 50/50 about a book before.
Currently reading left hand of darkness by le guin and I feel no peace which is about the rohingya genocide. It does not hold back and is a harrowing read so far. Not a pre bedtime book.
I finished Satanstango from László Krasznahorkai. /u/plutonic wrote a scathing review about this book, which prompted me to read it. And I just saw /u/pxl is also picking it up!
Thanks Plutonic, I thoroughly enjoyed my read through but I can totally, absolutely relate to your feelings of disgust with the ending.
Spoilers
Still, I think it was a very beautifully crafted book. So many memorable sentences (well, not really, because they are pretty damn long, but you know what I mean). The whole mood of doom, apocalypse and despair.I loved the scene of the actual Tango and how it beautifully finished with Kerekes drinking everything up while dreaming of war and bombs...
I think I will forever have the memory of Estike torturing and killing the poor cat etched on my mind. I think, this is one of the things that only reading can do - transport the whole inner monologue that leads up to a horrible action in such a vivid detail, that you already know where this is leading but cannot stop reading and being appaled how the scene unfolds in your inner eye. Truly horrible, truly memorable.
As for the end, I do not know how to feel about it. It is still intriguing. Is everything that happened just the manic ravings of an alcoholic lunatic? Or is there something more magical to it, is it more akin to an endless, vicious cycle? Whatever became of the deal with the weaponsdealer and for what cause? How did Irimias manage to find work for his followers on such short notice? At first, I was certain this would all turn out to be a mirage, but with Futaki starting work as a nightwatch, I am not so sure.
Any pointers, why the chapters were structured like they are? There's an obvious symmetry to them. Tango is usually danced in 4/8 counts, so was it two full tango sequences? But why count them down?... So many questions.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I really loved the book up until the ending, as you said 'The whole mood of doom, apocalypse and despair' is quite something and masterfully written. The horrible cat scene is not something I will easily forget, that sort of thing really disturbs me, even in fiction. It's interesting that I can read stories of horrible human suffering and move on relatively easily, but the abuse of an animal is extremely hard to even read. Though from what I've heard from other people that is pretty common.
The ending may not have been for me, but this book is definitely worth reading. Always fun to hear what other people think of that strange ending.
I was discouraged by the amount of names and unexplained concepts in the beginning of Hyperion. I understand that is a writing technique, but I am worried by the amount of obscurity I may routinely face in that book. I assume that the goal is to increase immersion, but I cannot help feeling extremely anxious and insecure as a reader.
If that only happens in the beginning, I'm okay with it. But I don't have the mental capacity for a book that keeps doing that. If something is name-dropped and only explained after 200 pages, the odds of me remembering when that one tiny detail was introduced are slim. Fans of that book: does this get better?
I vote Hyperion 1&2 (they are really a single giant book) as the best Sci-Fi ever written. The first book is all character development as you get the awesome individual backstories for each character, they are long and rich, the second book is where the actual story comes together. I remember flipping pages in the second book so fast as it was 'closing in' that I'm surprised the pages didn't start on fire. Seriously one of the best 'stories' I've ever come across, one of my favourite reading experiences of my life. When people ask me for a recommendation for a book with an amazing plot I recommend Hyperion 1&2 and Count of Monte Cristo.
I don't usually pick or read books for their plot, but Hyperion is just so good that no matter how snobby of a reader I've become I still sit in awe of its greatness.
Oh, and the third book? Just pretend it doesn't exist, there are only 2 Hyperions, 2 Terminators, and 1 Matrix, and life is much better if you live it with that worldview. lol.
That is great.
My only worry is not having the mental capacity for convoluted exposition. I'm sure it's a great book ;)
So I really, really tried to read Peter F. Hamilton's Pandora's Star, after seeing a recommendation elsewhere here. My feelings about Hamilton were pretty "meh" after the Greg Mandel books, but I was in the mood for big space opera.
I nope'd out of Pandora's Star at 93%. I won't spoiler it or go into why I found Hamilton's politics, plot, pacing, world-building, and characterizations so irritating, but there simply wasn't enough that I found original or positive to continue.
Okay one big spoiler:
The "nope" point
When the Prime starts nuking whole planets (I'm not a fan of the very casual presentation of gigadeath), and one of the chosen human villain caricatures suddenly accepts militarism and environmental sacrifice.