Don't get too excited by the title. There are no actual dates given in the article.
Don't get too excited by the title. There are no actual dates given in the article.
When we announced these products in November, we planned on being able to share specific pricing and launch dates by now. But the memory and storage shortages you've likely heard about across the industry have rapidly increased since then. The limited availability and growing prices of these critical components mean we must revisit our exact shipping schedule and pricing (especially around Steam Machine and Steam Frame).
Our goal of shipping all three products in the first half of the year has not changed.
Ever since the RAM chaos I've been wondering how this would impact the steam machine. It's good to have confirmation, as sad as it is, that prices will be adjusted (likely higher) due to the...
Ever since the RAM chaos I've been wondering how this would impact the steam machine. It's good to have confirmation, as sad as it is, that prices will be adjusted (likely higher) due to the memory shortage.
At this point buying a gaming PC is starting to feel like buying a house. You wait for a while for prices to decrease/stabilise just for a different component to become scarce and drive prices up....
At this point buying a gaming PC is starting to feel like buying a house. You wait for a while for prices to decrease/stabilise just for a different component to become scarce and drive prices up. The only good time to buy seems to be in the past.
There's a kind of irony that there is a rough correlation between Valve releasing computing hardware and major disruptions to society, given that the Steam Deck came about the tail end of the...
There's a kind of irony that there is a rough correlation between Valve releasing computing hardware and major disruptions to society, given that the Steam Deck came about the tail end of the COVID pandemic. If they announce Half Life 3 I would start preparing for the apocalypse.
No dates nor prices :( I'm thinking about grabbing the frames but I'm definitely gonna grab a steam controller 2! I've been using an Xbox controller even though I don't have an Xbox, because I...
No dates nor prices :(
I'm thinking about grabbing the frames but I'm definitely gonna grab a steam controller 2! I've been using an Xbox controller even though I don't have an Xbox, because I always just assumed the PS5 controllers had bad PC compatability (but I don't think that's true anymore) but a steam controller would help.
Playstation controllers have always been fine if you connect them via USB, its the Bluetooth thats been iffy. ...also the lack of glyphs on some titles is really annoying. So many games I had to...
Playstation controllers have always been fine if you connect them via USB, its the Bluetooth thats been iffy. ...also the lack of glyphs on some titles is really annoying. So many games I had to mod for so many years just for glyphs.
I know PS glyphs, I dont know Xbox glyphs in the same way, so when it says it needs X or Y, I get confused easily. I played elden ring offline on PC because I needed the glyphs.
I know PS glyphs, I dont know Xbox glyphs in the same way, so when it says it needs X or Y, I get confused easily. I played elden ring offline on PC because I needed the glyphs.
What makes it worse for me is that the Nintendo face buttons are completely flipped! I didn’t grow up with the Nintendo controls but I never had an Xbox controller, so when PC games present me...
What makes it worse for me is that the Nintendo face buttons are completely flipped! I didn’t grow up with the Nintendo controls but I never had an Xbox controller, so when PC games present me with only Xbox button prompts I get so confused…….
To be fair, they said it's frequently asked questions, not frequently answered ones. Seriously though, I don't envy valve's position here. Must be tough to have so much out of their control!
To be fair, they said it's frequently asked questions, not frequently answered ones.
Seriously though, I don't envy valve's position here. Must be tough to have so much out of their control!
It was rumored that HLX was going to launch with the steam machine so we can now blame AI companies for the delay of HL3. I find this completely inexcusable. Theft of intellectual property at an...
It was rumored that HLX was going to launch with the steam machine so we can now blame AI companies for the delay of HL3. I find this completely inexcusable. Theft of intellectual property at an industrial scale,waves of AI slop and spam, overloading an aging power grid, and possibly crashing the economy is bad and all but I draw the line at slightly delaying my favorite piece of interactive fiction. Yes I'm wearing a tinfoil hat and no I won't get off of this hill.
are there some price and power estimates for the steam machine? i wanted to upgrade my system, but if the price is right, i might just get a steam machine
are there some price and power estimates for the steam machine? i wanted to upgrade my system, but if the price is right, i might just get a steam machine
With a self built? Yeah, and Valve explicitly said that they are not subsidizing it, so around where a self built BOM lands is where we should expect the floor to be. With a PS5? Not particularly....
With a self built? Yeah, and Valve explicitly said that they are not subsidizing it, so around where a self built BOM lands is where we should expect the floor to be.
With a PS5? Not particularly. It's actually weaker than a PS5, as the PS5 has a more powerful GPU, and more VRAM to work with, with the rumored price being almost 2x the price of a PS5.
So it's not better than self built, not better than PS5, meaning probably not even better than a regular PC from the store. Who's going to buy this? Seems there's no reason to.
So it's not better than self built, not better than PS5, meaning probably not even better than a regular PC from the store. Who's going to buy this? Seems there's no reason to.
A self-built would probably cost about as much for similar performance with today's RAM prices, and obviously carries the downside that you have to self-build it (because buying a prebuilt PC...
A self-built would probably cost about as much for similar performance with today's RAM prices, and obviously carries the downside that you have to self-build it (because buying a prebuilt PC almost definitely wouldn't compete on price) and don't get the advantage of support if something goes wrong. A pretty big proportion of people, even gamers, wouldn't feel comfortable building their own PC anyway, much less installing SteamOS themselves. Heck, I have a self-built PC of my own, so I'm not even in that crowd, but I'd probably be looking into the Steam Machine if I didn't already have a gaming PC because of the appeal of that essentially plug-and-play factor and my positive experiences with Valve support for my Steam Deck in the past.
As for competing with the PS5, I don't think the comparison factor will be sheer performance. People who buy a Steam Machine, especially those who buy one at launch, are probably gonna be people who already have a significant Steam library. The selling point is essentially giving you the convenience of a console experience with your PC games, which I think they've demonstrated they're capable of with the Steam Deck. I think the Steam Machine succeeding will be tougher for Valve, since it does have a lot more direct competition than the Steam Deck did in the handheld space when it was announced, but I don't think the performance comparison is the most important factor in whether it succeeds commercially.
So that's $935 for an equivalent build, minimum. And to be clear, I wouldn't buy that case, PSU or SSD personally and would expect that the Steam Machine's are better than what I got by sorting price lowest to highest on NewEgg
And that custom build will be much larger, more noisy, and less integrated (turns out Valve has some custom electronics in the Steam Machine to enable it to be reliably booted or woken from sleep...
And that custom build will be much larger, more noisy, and less integrated (turns out Valve has some custom electronics in the Steam Machine to enable it to be reliably booted or woken from sleep with the controller). On top of that, you're on the hook for any problems that arise. All that is worth some money too.
And self built doesn't have an optimized OS specifically for that hardware. There's a definite upside, and it's clear from the Steam Deck that middling hardware can perform well enough for most...
And self built doesn't have an optimized OS specifically for that hardware. There's a definite upside, and it's clear from the Steam Deck that middling hardware can perform well enough for most through sheer optimisation.
An upside over the PS5 is also the open SteamOS that doubles as a regular pc.
I do think they are incredibly unfortunate with their timing. It would've been a decent machine before these ridiculous price hikes. Not their fault, but it makes it a much worse value proposition.
You almost definitely can't build a more powerful machine for $500 with current RAM prices lol. You probably still can build a more powerful machine for about the same or not much more than their...
You almost definitely can't build a more powerful machine for $500 with current RAM prices lol. You probably still can build a more powerful machine for about the same or not much more than their price, but those specs aren't anywhere close to $500 in the current market.
Yeah no that’s ludicrous. It has a two generations old amd zen apu that costs like 100 dollars. You have very different rumors to mine. I’m betting on 500-600 ballpark.
Yeah no that’s ludicrous. It has a two generations old amd zen apu that costs like 100 dollars. You have very different rumors to mine. I’m betting on 500-600 ballpark.
They also claim that it can run most title at 4k 60fps, but I'm guessing that's with something ridiculous, like 3x frame gen and 30% rendering resolution. With neither the GPU nor the CPU being...
They also claim that it can run most title at 4k 60fps, but I'm guessing that's with something ridiculous, like 3x frame gen and 30% rendering resolution.
With neither the GPU nor the CPU being upgradable, I fail to see just who the steam machine is for.
The price has to be super competitive otherwise it's dead on arrival.
Since I'm Czech and there was Czech retailer eshop leak, I can comment on that. I don't have the exact number at hand roght now, but I believe it was somewhere around 1000-1200€ probably based on...
Since I'm Czech and there was Czech retailer eshop leak, I can comment on that. I don't have the exact number at hand roght now, but I believe it was somewhere around 1000-1200€ probably based on specs (SSD and maybe even RAM?). This is for retailer and including VAT of 21℅, mind you. If I recall right information, there shpzld be 170W divided between CPU and GPU, so the whole thing could be say 200W. If you meant power as compute power, others already wrote about that.
The same retailer has price for Steam Frame too. It seem to be in range of 650-850€ based on "in sale" and also on SSD size. Once again including 21% VAT and being sold by third party.
These are still just leaks, they may not be accurate and they likely are not since they arw certainly before this Valve announcement.
Both are pretty pricey, but you won't likely get comparable.PC for less and while you can get VR headset for less, I believe Valve will make up for it in software and game support. I believe in Valve more than in competitors.
Not disagreeing about their difficulties with counting, but this isn't Steam Machine 2. This is Steam Machine Reboot. So there should be at least one more after this.
Not disagreeing about their difficulties with counting, but this isn't Steam Machine 2. This is Steam Machine Reboot. So there should be at least one more after this.
Don't get too excited by the title. There are no actual dates given in the article.
Ever since the RAM chaos I've been wondering how this would impact the steam machine. It's good to have confirmation, as sad as it is, that prices will be adjusted (likely higher) due to the memory shortage.
I really chose the worst year to upgrade my PC...
At this point buying a gaming PC is starting to feel like buying a house. You wait for a while for prices to decrease/stabilise just for a different component to become scarce and drive prices up. The only good time to buy seems to be in the past.
There's a kind of irony that there is a rough correlation between Valve releasing computing hardware and major disruptions to society, given that the Steam Deck came about the tail end of the COVID pandemic. If they announce Half Life 3 I would start preparing for the apocalypse.
No dates nor prices :(
I'm thinking about grabbing the frames but I'm definitely gonna grab a steam controller 2! I've been using an Xbox controller even though I don't have an Xbox, because I always just assumed the PS5 controllers had bad PC compatability (but I don't think that's true anymore) but a steam controller would help.
Playstation controllers have always been fine if you connect them via USB, its the Bluetooth thats been iffy. ...also the lack of glyphs on some titles is really annoying. So many games I had to mod for so many years just for glyphs.
Haha I grew up on PlayStation so you just kinda memorize the positions of things, but yeah the Bluetooth thing was always so bad.
I know PS glyphs, I dont know Xbox glyphs in the same way, so when it says it needs X or Y, I get confused easily. I played elden ring offline on PC because I needed the glyphs.
What makes it worse for me is that the Nintendo face buttons are completely flipped! I didn’t grow up with the Nintendo controls but I never had an Xbox controller, so when PC games present me with only Xbox button prompts I get so confused…….
To be fair, they said it's frequently asked questions, not frequently answered ones.
Seriously though, I don't envy valve's position here. Must be tough to have so much out of their control!
It was rumored that HLX was going to launch with the steam machine so we can now blame AI companies for the delay of HL3. I find this completely inexcusable. Theft of intellectual property at an industrial scale,waves of AI slop and spam, overloading an aging power grid, and possibly crashing the economy is bad and all but I draw the line at slightly delaying my favorite piece of interactive fiction. Yes I'm wearing a tinfoil hat and no I won't get off of this hill.
are there some price and power estimates for the steam machine? i wanted to upgrade my system, but if the price is right, i might just get a steam machine
Rumors is $950, but it may be higher now given that they explicitly mentioned price increases.
Would that be at all competitive with similarly self built?
With a self built? Yeah, and Valve explicitly said that they are not subsidizing it, so around where a self built BOM lands is where we should expect the floor to be.
With a PS5? Not particularly. It's actually weaker than a PS5, as the PS5 has a more powerful GPU, and more VRAM to work with, with the rumored price being almost 2x the price of a PS5.
So it's not better than self built, not better than PS5, meaning probably not even better than a regular PC from the store. Who's going to buy this? Seems there's no reason to.
A self-built would probably cost about as much for similar performance with today's RAM prices, and obviously carries the downside that you have to self-build it (because buying a prebuilt PC almost definitely wouldn't compete on price) and don't get the advantage of support if something goes wrong. A pretty big proportion of people, even gamers, wouldn't feel comfortable building their own PC anyway, much less installing SteamOS themselves. Heck, I have a self-built PC of my own, so I'm not even in that crowd, but I'd probably be looking into the Steam Machine if I didn't already have a gaming PC because of the appeal of that essentially plug-and-play factor and my positive experiences with Valve support for my Steam Deck in the past.
As for competing with the PS5, I don't think the comparison factor will be sheer performance. People who buy a Steam Machine, especially those who buy one at launch, are probably gonna be people who already have a significant Steam library. The selling point is essentially giving you the convenience of a console experience with your PC games, which I think they've demonstrated they're capable of with the Steam Deck. I think the Steam Machine succeeding will be tougher for Valve, since it does have a lot more direct competition than the Steam Deck did in the handheld space when it was announced, but I don't think the performance comparison is the most important factor in whether it succeeds commercially.
No you can build a more powerful machine for 500 dollars. It’s not gonna be even near 1000 is my guess.
Let's spec out an equivalent machine:
CPU: "Zen 4 6C/12T CPU up to 4.8ghz": Ryzen 7500F, $159
GPU: "AMD RDNA3 28CUs with 8GB VRAM": RX 7600, $275
RAM: "16GB DDR5": Patriot 2x8GB kit, $200
Storage: "512GB NVMe SSD": This no-name 512GB NVMe SSD, $80
So we're at $700 for just the core components.
But of course we're not done yet.
Motherboard: AsRock B650M, $125
PSU: No name 700W PSU, $40
Case: No name mATX case, $60
So that's $935 for an equivalent build, minimum. And to be clear, I wouldn't buy that case, PSU or SSD personally and would expect that the Steam Machine's are better than what I got by sorting price lowest to highest on NewEgg
And that custom build will be much larger, more noisy, and less integrated (turns out Valve has some custom electronics in the Steam Machine to enable it to be reliably booted or woken from sleep with the controller). On top of that, you're on the hook for any problems that arise. All that is worth some money too.
And self built doesn't have an optimized OS specifically for that hardware. There's a definite upside, and it's clear from the Steam Deck that middling hardware can perform well enough for most through sheer optimisation.
An upside over the PS5 is also the open SteamOS that doubles as a regular pc.
I do think they are incredibly unfortunate with their timing. It would've been a decent machine before these ridiculous price hikes. Not their fault, but it makes it a much worse value proposition.
You almost definitely can't build a more powerful machine for $500 with current RAM prices lol. You probably still can build a more powerful machine for about the same or not much more than their price, but those specs aren't anywhere close to $500 in the current market.
Yeah no that’s ludicrous. It has a two generations old amd zen apu that costs like 100 dollars. You have very different rumors to mine. I’m betting on 500-600 ballpark.
With current ram prices, half of that $500 would be spent on the ram alone.
They also claim that it can run most title at 4k 60fps, but I'm guessing that's with something ridiculous, like 3x frame gen and 30% rendering resolution.
With neither the GPU nor the CPU being upgradable, I fail to see just who the steam machine is for.
The price has to be super competitive otherwise it's dead on arrival.
Since I'm Czech and there was Czech retailer eshop leak, I can comment on that. I don't have the exact number at hand roght now, but I believe it was somewhere around 1000-1200€ probably based on specs (SSD and maybe even RAM?). This is for retailer and including VAT of 21℅, mind you. If I recall right information, there shpzld be 170W divided between CPU and GPU, so the whole thing could be say 200W. If you meant power as compute power, others already wrote about that.
The same retailer has price for Steam Frame too. It seem to be in range of 650-850€ based on "in sale" and also on SSD size. Once again including 21% VAT and being sold by third party.
These are still just leaks, they may not be accurate and they likely are not since they arw certainly before this Valve announcement.
Both are pretty pricey, but you won't likely get comparable.PC for less and while you can get VR headset for less, I believe Valve will make up for it in software and game support. I believe in Valve more than in competitors.
thank you, i meant specs and not electicity ;-) thats language... but that got answered further up.
Valve can't count to 3, so we know this will be final Steam machine. Yes, this comment is useless.
Not disagreeing about their difficulties with counting, but this isn't Steam Machine 2. This is Steam Machine Reboot. So there should be at least one more after this.