It's hard for me to understand how utterly horrible people can be over something so trivial. It didn't even seem like the author was attacking CDPR at any point (not that the reaction would be...
It's hard for me to understand how utterly horrible people can be over something so trivial. It didn't even seem like the author was attacking CDPR at any point (not that the reaction would be justified if she had) and yet people are doing things like this. I truly don't get it.
That was my first thought reading article, was that I really appreciated the author talking about their experience, and what the specific dangers was. For instance I thought that the "flashing...
That was my first thought reading article, was that I really appreciated the author talking about their experience, and what the specific dangers was. For instance I thought that the "flashing lights trigger seizures" applied to any light in general, and now I know that it's generally specifically red/blue. I also now know that different people can be triggered by different types of flashing.
It is very much not an attack on the game or on CDPR, like, at all.
I feel very sorry for the woman who reviewed the game and gave it a 7 out of 10, because as soon as I read that I could already picture the threats. I don't think Gamespot should have let her name...
I feel very sorry for the woman who reviewed the game and gave it a 7 out of 10, because as soon as I read that I could already picture the threats. I don't think Gamespot should have let her name be attached to that review for her own safety, but then, not even being credited for your own work as a writer...what an alternative.
I never heard about the incel stuff before, and was also surprised to also hear about 'constant flirtations with transphobia' in the latest Jimquisition. This industry still has a whole lot of growing up to do.
Will be interesting to see if any litigation is pursued since former Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald won his lawsuit against a person who attacked him with epilepsy-inducing GIFs back in 2017.
Will be interesting to see if any litigation is pursued since former Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald won his lawsuit against a person who attacked him with epilepsy-inducing GIFs back in 2017.
Holy shit the fact that people are doing that is making me see red. I had a random seizure earlier this week and let me just say hot take: not a fan, wasn’t very fun. I barely managed to get my...
Holy shit the fact that people are doing that is making me see red. I had a random seizure earlier this week and let me just say hot take: not a fan, wasn’t very fun. I barely managed to get my arm up to stop me from hitting my head on my metal bed frame as I collapsed and when I woke up it felt like I had been hit by a fucking train. I am so fucking lucky that I didn’t bash my head. We’re still trying to figure out what caused it. I’m terrified something random will trigger another one. I cannot image what a lack of fucking empathy you have to have to PURPOSEFULLY TRY AND INDUCE A SEIZURE ON SOMEONE. Holy fuck listen I’m against prison as a concept but fuck do people like this really test how firm that belief is to me.
I really feel for people with epilepsy, especially those who are gamers. I can't even imagine the constant fear that something you enjoy doing could suddenly turn into a literal life-or-death...
I really feel for people with epilepsy, especially those who are gamers. I can't even imagine the constant fear that something you enjoy doing could suddenly turn into a literal life-or-death scenario, without warning, just from something as innocuous as a flashing sequence of lights or colors. There should absolutely be a way to experience games like Cyberpunk 2077 without exposing anyone to that risk.
I don't think my solution would be to "just patch it out" though. Since not all (actually a small minority of) players are vulnerable, I'd put it behind a setting. Make it a prominent setting that you are prompted for when starting a new game. Those who wish to experience the game in its full, intended psychedelic strobey glory should still be able to, without accidentally exposing anyone who's susceptible to seizures.
I noticed when exploring the system settings in my PS5 that I can set global defaults for certain common game settings. Things like "always show subtitles" and "always favor framerate performance over visual detail." I don't think the previous gen had this ability, not sure if Xbox does it too, but I love the idea of having a central, set-it-and-forget-it way to manage stuff like that for every game in your collection. IMO an "always use epilepsy-safe mode" option would be the perfect solution for this problem.
Update on this issue from the 1.04 patch from yesterday: Modified the flashing effect on braindances to reduce the risk of inducing epileptic symptoms. The effect has been smoothed out and the...
Modified the flashing effect on braindances to reduce the risk of inducing epileptic symptoms. The effect has been smoothed out and the flashes reduced in frequency and magnitude.
And they also added a "proper" loading screen epilepsy warning in an earlier hotfix as well.
Thank you for bringing this up. We’re working on adding a separate warning in the game, aside from the one that exists in the EULA (https://cyberpunk.net/en/user-agreement/). Regarding a more permanent solution, Dev team is currently exploring that and will be implementing it as soon as possible.
I very much doubt they were trying to shift the blame. And for context, it is worth noting that epilepsy warnings being placed in EULAs is actually pretty standard these days. See:...
See this kind of thing rocks. I know we all assume it should be fixed at launch or whatever - but the reality is that we all live here in this world and we only see the norm and beyond that is an...
See this kind of thing rocks. I know we all assume it should be fixed at launch or whatever - but the reality is that we all live here in this world and we only see the norm and beyond that is an effort that can easily be missed.
It doesn't mean they are better than they have to, just good enough. Someone brings up an issue and they realize that it should be on them so they try to patch it. Until then they try to make a warning.
Not suffering from epilepsy myself (my dad did which was scary AF but luckily that gene skipped me), but isn't all games a risk? And I realize that you feel that way, and not saying you shouldn't...
Not suffering from epilepsy myself (my dad did which was scary AF but luckily that gene skipped me), but isn't all games a risk? And I realize that you feel that way, and not saying you shouldn't (because fuck me, I don't know what its like having a seizure, just what it looks like), but a patch or two down the line with it being tested? Wouldn't it be ok then?
Again, not trying to be a dick - but trying to be supportive in a "come on, we can both enjoy it!" in some weird way ... (no I don't know what that means either but your last sentence made me sad and I guess I am trying to "magically fix it" which is dumb but there we are <3)
I used to get minor seizures too, and I similarly got a very strong deja vue feeling with them which sounds like what you're describing. Definitely a memory or temporal lobe thing. I also kind of...
I used to get minor seizures too, and I similarly got a very strong deja vue feeling with them which sounds like what you're describing. Definitely a memory or temporal lobe thing. I also kind of miss having them, although they were pretty uncomfortable sometimes.
It's hard for me to understand how utterly horrible people can be over something so trivial. It didn't even seem like the author was attacking CDPR at any point (not that the reaction would be justified if she had) and yet people are doing things like this. I truly don't get it.
That was my first thought reading article, was that I really appreciated the author talking about their experience, and what the specific dangers was. For instance I thought that the "flashing lights trigger seizures" applied to any light in general, and now I know that it's generally specifically red/blue. I also now know that different people can be triggered by different types of flashing.
It is very much not an attack on the game or on CDPR, like, at all.
I feel very sorry for the woman who reviewed the game and gave it a 7 out of 10, because as soon as I read that I could already picture the threats. I don't think Gamespot should have let her name be attached to that review for her own safety, but then, not even being credited for your own work as a writer...what an alternative.
I never heard about the incel stuff before, and was also surprised to also hear about 'constant flirtations with transphobia' in the latest Jimquisition. This industry still has a whole lot of growing up to do.
Will be interesting to see if any litigation is pursued since former Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald won his lawsuit against a person who attacked him with epilepsy-inducing GIFs back in 2017.
Holy shit the fact that people are doing that is making me see red. I had a random seizure earlier this week and let me just say hot take: not a fan, wasn’t very fun. I barely managed to get my arm up to stop me from hitting my head on my metal bed frame as I collapsed and when I woke up it felt like I had been hit by a fucking train. I am so fucking lucky that I didn’t bash my head. We’re still trying to figure out what caused it. I’m terrified something random will trigger another one. I cannot image what a lack of fucking empathy you have to have to PURPOSEFULLY TRY AND INDUCE A SEIZURE ON SOMEONE. Holy fuck listen I’m against prison as a concept but fuck do people like this really test how firm that belief is to me.
Fortunately it appears to be fixed now.
I really feel for people with epilepsy, especially those who are gamers. I can't even imagine the constant fear that something you enjoy doing could suddenly turn into a literal life-or-death scenario, without warning, just from something as innocuous as a flashing sequence of lights or colors. There should absolutely be a way to experience games like Cyberpunk 2077 without exposing anyone to that risk.
I don't think my solution would be to "just patch it out" though. Since not all (actually a small minority of) players are vulnerable, I'd put it behind a setting. Make it a prominent setting that you are prompted for when starting a new game. Those who wish to experience the game in its full, intended psychedelic strobey glory should still be able to, without accidentally exposing anyone who's susceptible to seizures.
I noticed when exploring the system settings in my PS5 that I can set global defaults for certain common game settings. Things like "always show subtitles" and "always favor framerate performance over visual detail." I don't think the previous gen had this ability, not sure if Xbox does it too, but I love the idea of having a central, set-it-and-forget-it way to manage stuff like that for every game in your collection. IMO an "always use epilepsy-safe mode" option would be the perfect solution for this problem.
I'll bet dollars to donuts this is a coincidence, rather than intentional.
Update on this issue from the 1.04 patch from yesterday:
And they also added a "proper" loading screen epilepsy warning in an earlier hotfix as well.
See also, the new article from the same author as OP:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/12/11/new-cyberpunk-2077-update-addresses-major-epilepsy-issue
https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1336389181988343812
Mentioning that it's in the EULA seems to be casting fault on those who don't read them, but no one ever does...
I very much doubt they were trying to shift the blame. And for context, it is worth noting that epilepsy warnings being placed in EULAs is actually pretty standard these days. See:
https://www.ea.com/legal?isLocalized=true#3
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/network/legal/health-warnings/
site:store.steampowered.com/eula epilepsy (each of those are different games' EULAs with the warning in them)
So that is probably something people with epilepsy should be made aware of.
See this kind of thing rocks. I know we all assume it should be fixed at launch or whatever - but the reality is that we all live here in this world and we only see the norm and beyond that is an effort that can easily be missed.
It doesn't mean they are better than they have to, just good enough. Someone brings up an issue and they realize that it should be on them so they try to patch it. Until then they try to make a warning.
I'm sure it'll be fixed shortly. Check back in a week or two. No game developers wants their game to induce seizures in their audience.
Not suffering from epilepsy myself (my dad did which was scary AF but luckily that gene skipped me), but isn't all games a risk? And I realize that you feel that way, and not saying you shouldn't (because fuck me, I don't know what its like having a seizure, just what it looks like), but a patch or two down the line with it being tested? Wouldn't it be ok then?
Again, not trying to be a dick - but trying to be supportive in a "come on, we can both enjoy it!" in some weird way ... (no I don't know what that means either but your last sentence made me sad and I guess I am trying to "magically fix it" which is dumb but there we are <3)
I used to get minor seizures too, and I similarly got a very strong deja vue feeling with them which sounds like what you're describing. Definitely a memory or temporal lobe thing. I also kind of miss having them, although they were pretty uncomfortable sometimes.
Wait, it does? This is the first I'm hearing of it.