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What are some big mistakes that first-time home buyers can make?

My husband and I are in the process of finding our first home, and I'm hoping to learn some lessons from those of you with experience.

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  1. [10]
    stromm
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    Overspending. NOT using FHA loans, military, etc. Not having 6-months of TOTAL estimated bills in a do not touch unless you absolutely must savings account. Put this in a bank all by itself so...
    1. Overspending.
    2. NOT using FHA loans, military, etc.
    3. Not having 6-months of TOTAL estimated bills in a do not touch unless you absolutely must savings account. Put this in a bank all by itself so your bank can't auto-withdrawl if your checking account goes empty.
    4. Not saving for maintenance. Even if it's a new build. You will have maintenance costs. Hopefully just lawn care.
    5. Don't get a home with large square foot (or meter) mulch beds. God I hate mulch. This is my one almost regret. If I were to put down new mulch, 1" thick (should be 3"-5" thick), it costs me $600 per year. Not including labor.
    6. Not making sure your roof, windows, doors, HVAC, electrical are better than good. Your typical inspection will just give you a yea/nay. You will need to pay for more detailed inspection, especially if you want to know an estimate of how long they'll last before you need to replace them.
    7. Not checking flood plain maps and asking existing neighbors if their basements flood, how often and how much.
    8. Not verifying your property line, fence line, utility easements, etc. Don't trust your neighbors or the GIS website mapping (that's a rough estimate and NOT certified or usable in court).
    29 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      #8 is often overlooked and yet incredibly important in my experience. Several of my relatives and friends have gotten in to serious (and costly) disputes over properly lines and easements over the...

      #8 is often overlooked and yet incredibly important in my experience. Several of my relatives and friends have gotten in to serious (and costly) disputes over properly lines and easements over the years.

      E.g. My sister removed an old pool shed at her new home which was located inconveniently near the center of her backyard, had a new one built on the side of her house and payed to have the pool lines re-plumbed to it. Old coot of a neighbor said it was too close to his property and filed a dispute with the city, who brought in a surveyor to verify the property lines. Turns out the shed was almost a foot over the line (despite being well back of the fence line, which apparently wasn't as aligned with the actual property line as it should have been) and the neighbor wouldn't agree to forgive the transgression, so she had to pay for an arbitration hearing with the city council. which cost $1k. She ultimately won the arbitration case after several months of headache and the property line was readjusted to match the fence line, but if she had lost she would have had to tear down the new shed, rebuild it again somewhere else and so need to re-plumb the pool lines again as well.

      12 votes
    2. [5]
      kfwyre
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      The mulch advice is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! A big issue, but the kind that doesn't really show up in home-buying guides (at least none that I've seen). Thanks for that and for...

      The mulch advice is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for! A big issue, but the kind that doesn't really show up in home-buying guides (at least none that I've seen). Thanks for that and for the rest of your thorough rundown.

      7 votes
      1. [4]
        stromm
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        I HATE mulch beds. They require almost constant care. After 2.5 years of living here, I've convinced my wife to allow me to replace most of them with grass. My parent's house had no mulch. Grass...

        I HATE mulch beds. They require almost constant care. After 2.5 years of living here, I've convinced my wife to allow me to replace most of them with grass.

        My parent's house had no mulch. Grass right up to the cinder block foundation (sloped appropriately is KEY). Even right up to the trunk of trees (or the ground touching boughs of a couple large pines).

        That's what I'm going to do. Bye Bye weed growing mulch beds.

        6 votes
        1. [3]
          cfabbro
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          I honestly can't help but feel that people who hate mulch beds are simply doing it wrong. If you use properly staked down, good quality landscape fabric underneath the mulch then weeding is an...

          I honestly can't help but feel that people who hate mulch beds are simply doing it wrong. If you use properly staked down, good quality landscape fabric underneath the mulch then weeding is an absolute breeze since weed roots can never go deeper than the few inches of the mulch layer. As a result they take no effort to just pull by hand and the root always pulls out clean as well so they rarely regrow or spread. And if you opt for large nugget mulch instead of the cheaper, smaller particle crap then it lasts for years before breaking down and so you rarely need to top it up and hardly ever have to weed it since there isn't enough room for the weeds to even grow between the nuggets. I have mulched (with landscape fabric) every home I have ever lived in (as well as many of my relatives when they have asked me to do it for them) and by doing it right, weeding takes about 30min a year of effort as a result.

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            stromm
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            Awesome, come do mine... I spent ten years with properly staked down landscape fabric under large nugget mulch. Still had weed problems, that grew through the fabric. Maybe it's something local to...

            Awesome, come do mine...

            I spent ten years with properly staked down landscape fabric under large nugget mulch. Still had weed problems, that grew through the fabric.

            Maybe it's something local to here in Central Ohio?

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            1. cfabbro
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              Huh, through the fabric? I am in Southern Ontario which is reasonably close to you, but yeah there must be some endemic weed where you live that isn't here because I have never had that happen....

              Huh, through the fabric? I am in Southern Ontario which is reasonably close to you, but yeah there must be some endemic weed where you live that isn't here because I have never had that happen. The only time I have seen it happen is to super old landscape fabric (like 10+ years old) or if placed under gravel since that tends to wear it down a lot quicker.

    3. jsx
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      #3 is super super important and very much related to #1. If you are not ready for an unexpected financial bump in the road owning a home will make everything worse, since you have so much...

      #3 is super super important and very much related to #1. If you are not ready for an unexpected financial bump in the road owning a home will make everything worse, since you have so much responsibility and costs can be true RKOs and totally come out of nowhere.

      Part of being fiscally responsible is asking yourself the hard questions: What if one of us suddenly dies tomorrow in an accident? Will our estate be taken care of? Can our spouse/kids/dependents be free of financial worries during such a shitty time? What if I'm fired tomorrow? How long can I regain employment? How many bills will show up during that time? What if a flood/fire/earthquake happens? Am I covered? Do I have enough cash to keep myself and my dependents going until insurance pays out? If my mortgage payments go up by 5%, can I still make things work? What is my limit?

      5 votes
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      CedarMadness
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      #5, look at replacing the mulch with decorative gravel. It costs a lot more up front, but it looks better and you pretty much never have to re-do it. You still have to weed about as much though.

      #5, look at replacing the mulch with decorative gravel. It costs a lot more up front, but it looks better and you pretty much never have to re-do it. You still have to weed about as much though.

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      1. stromm
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        It's the weeding part I hate...

        It's the weeding part I hate...

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    Algernon_Asimov
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    Might I ask what country you're planning to buy in? Different countries would have different regulatory environments and different financial schemes, which would influence the advice people should...

    Might I ask what country you're planning to buy in? Different countries would have different regulatory environments and different financial schemes, which would influence the advice people should give you.

    9 votes
    1. [2]
      kfwyre
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      The US.

      The US.

      6 votes
      1. Algernon_Asimov
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        Thanks. I've added a "usa" tag to your topic so people know.

        Thanks. I've added a "usa" tag to your topic so people know.

        9 votes
  3. nic
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    You have presumably rented before, so must be aware of the basics. Most home owners get distracted by shiny appliances, staged furniture and a fresh coat of paint. Spend some time looking at the...

    You have presumably rented before, so must be aware of the basics.

    Most home owners get distracted by shiny appliances, staged furniture and a fresh coat of paint.

    Spend some time looking at the roof (is it new), the foundations (any cracks), the circuit breakers (is it upgraded) and the plumbing (I like copper).

    Also, I am a huge fan of crawl spaces and attics.

    8 votes
  4. [6]
    vegetablesupercargo
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    I'll add: Don't believe the bank when they tell you what you can afford. I found a huge difference going to a bank and going to a credit union. When I got my first mortgage about 10 years ago, a...

    I'll add:

    1. Don't believe the bank when they tell you what you can afford. I found a huge difference going to a bank and going to a credit union. When I got my first mortgage about 10 years ago, a bank told me I could carry a mortgage of $550k or something ridiculous like that (I actually laughed when he told me that because I assumed he was joking). The guy at the credit union, in contrast, "strongly cautioned" me about anything above $250k. When a bank tells you that you can carry a big mortgage, they are thinking about themselves: they are not thinking about you. If you follow their advice, you are going to be completely fucked and they are going to be laughing all the way to themselves.
    2. Don't assume interest rates will stay the same. Give yourself a bit of a cushion in case they go up.
    3. Don't go for the fixed-rate mortgage. Does this contradict #2? No, if you follow #2, you don't need a fixed-rate mortgage. My dad carried a mortgage through the crazy 1980s (when interest rates suddenly spiked to 18%) and he said that even through that crazy period, he would have ended up paying more if he'd locked in to a fixed rate when rates were low. A variable rate will always mean you pay less overall.
    7 votes
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      kfwyre
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      Can you explain #3 a bit more? It goes against a lot of the advice I've gotten so far.

      Can you explain #3 a bit more? It goes against a lot of the advice I've gotten so far.

      8 votes
      1. Catt
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        Personally I prefer a fixed rate mortgage with a shorter term. You tend to get a better interest rate if on short closed terms and with variable. I prefer lump sum payments to save on interest...

        Personally I prefer a fixed rate mortgage with a shorter term. You tend to get a better interest rate if on short closed terms and with variable. I prefer lump sum payments to save on interest instead of rates. (Though I am in Canada and the variable rates aren't really that good.)

        9 votes
      2. vegetablesupercargo
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        I think this page summarizes it well: Especially for short terms, it is very rare to end up paying more with a variable-rate than a fixed-rate. However, there is always that tiny risk....

        I think this page summarizes it well:

        studies have found that over time, the borrower is likely to pay less interest overall with a variable rate loan versus a fixed rate loan. However, the borrower must consider the amortization period of a loan. The longer the amortization period of a loan, the greater the impact a change in interest rates will have on your payments.

        Especially for short terms, it is very rare to end up paying more with a variable-rate than a fixed-rate. However, there is always that tiny risk....

        3 votes
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      nic
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      When did your dad get a mortgage? Rates are historically low. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US

      When did your dad get a mortgage?

      Rates are historically low.

      https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US

      3 votes
      1. vegetablesupercargo
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        About 1982-ish, I think. Rates were below 10% when he got the mortgage, and were up close to 20% just a couple years later.

        About 1982-ish, I think. Rates were below 10% when he got the mortgage, and were up close to 20% just a couple years later.

        1 vote
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    Ranger
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    Get the home inspected by a licensed home inspector. Don't purchase more home than you need.
    1. Get the home inspected by a licensed home inspector.

    2. Don't purchase more home than you need.

    4 votes
    1. Makkiux
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      If you can find a licensed inspector who is also a licensed structural engineer then all the better. Don't know how prolific the combo is, but I my inspector was able to eyeball the foundation...

      If you can find a licensed inspector who is also a licensed structural engineer then all the better. Don't know how prolific the combo is, but I my inspector was able to eyeball the foundation over the course of the inspection. Gave me a better idea of whether I needed to hire someone to take a more extensive look at it.

      3 votes
  6. SleepyGary
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    If you buy an older house 60s-70s make sure to check if it has aluminum wiring and if so to make sure that all the outlets have been pig-tailed to copper. Aluminum wiring was popular in...

    If you buy an older house 60s-70s make sure to check if it has aluminum wiring and if so to make sure that all the outlets have been pig-tailed to copper. Aluminum wiring was popular in residential construction during that era and the exposed ends tend to oxidize and catch fire. Copper rust still conducts electricity well enough, aluminum wiring does not which cause the wiring to heat, which also causes it to expand and then when it cools it can come loose which is a recipe for fire.

    If it's been properly pig-tailed to copper then the risk is pretty minimal.

    4 votes
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    Parliament
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    When you sign the final papers at closing, they don't tell you about all the spam mail you'll get from companies posing as your lender trying to sell you mortgage insurance. They grab your info...

    When you sign the final papers at closing, they don't tell you about all the spam mail you'll get from companies posing as your lender trying to sell you mortgage insurance. They grab your info from the newly filed public records then disguise mail to look like it's coming from your lender. I thought this was something I needed to fill out and return to my lender because it had their name/info at the top. Next thing I know, I have solicitors knocking at my door trying to sell me something. I brought this up to my lender after the fact who said "someone should have told you"... yea, no one told me. I had to block a bunch of phone numbers when solicitors kept calling even after being told no. Really infuriating.

    4 votes
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      kfwyre
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      This is very useful advice, thank you. How do you distinguish between real and fake mail from your lender if it all has their name on it?

      This is very useful advice, thank you. How do you distinguish between real and fake mail from your lender if it all has their name on it?

      2 votes
      1. Parliament
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        Just keep an eye out for anything related to insurance. Your lender won't be sending you anything like that, but you can always call them up to confirm.

        Just keep an eye out for anything related to insurance. Your lender won't be sending you anything like that, but you can always call them up to confirm.

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  8. CrazyOtter
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    I'm from the UK but this advice should still be valid. Get a full survey (includes structural elements) done by somebody qualified & independent. Just because the bank will approve a mortgage up...

    I'm from the UK but this advice should still be valid.

    1. Get a full survey (includes structural elements) done by somebody qualified & independent.
    2. Just because the bank will approve a mortgage up to a certain amount does not mean that's a good idea or goal to aim for. You should probably go quite a bit lower.
    3. Check flood maps & see if neighbors have had problems before.
    4. Test water pressure & water quality.
    5. Check the house + any additions are allowed to be there (in the UK we'd call it planning permission).
    6. Likewise boundaries/deeds need looking at closely, plus access to the house (shared driveways come to mind).
    7. Take what estate agents say with a grain of salt.
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  9. patience_limited
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    Since you're in the U.S., get a subscription to Angie's List for the area you're planning to buy in (it's worth it to find reliable contractors for all kinds of work). Hire an independent building...

    Since you're in the U.S., get a subscription to Angie's List for the area you're planning to buy in (it's worth it to find reliable contractors for all kinds of work).

    Hire an independent building inspector to review the house before your purchase.

    Not only will this disclose issues for a house that's only up to code on paper, but you can use the information in price negotiations, and plan some of the future maintenance investments.

    2 votes
  10. a_wild_swarm_appears
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    Whatever you do, make sure you get a proper survey done. Learnt that the hard way!

    Whatever you do, make sure you get a proper survey done. Learnt that the hard way!

    2 votes