Cavill made such a good Superman…and I actually liked Man of Steel for the most part. Everyone gave it so much shit for being grimdark (only Batman is allowed?) but do we really need a slew of...
Cavill made such a good Superman…and I actually liked Man of Steel for the most part.
Everyone gave it so much shit for being grimdark (only Batman is allowed?) but do we really need a slew of DCEU movies that are just…more of the Marvel-style superhero genre?
I mean I liked Gunn’s Suicide Squad and reasonably enjoyed Peacemaker but I’m just not really excited for anything else.
I mean... I don't want either. It's not a binary. I want a Superman film that feels like Superman. Making a gritty Superman is like making a pg-13 Blade — it's missing out on the strengths of the...
Everyone gave it so much shit for being grimdark (only Batman is allowed?) but do we really need a slew of DCEU movies that are just…more of the Marvel-style superhero genre?
I mean... I don't want either. It's not a binary.
I want a Superman film that feels like Superman.
Making a gritty Superman is like making a pg-13 Blade — it's missing out on the strengths of the property.
It doesn't need to be exactly like the comics, but that's just shooting themselves in the foot before they've even started.
My issue with Man of Steel wasn't what most people complained about. To me it was the absolute butchering of Lois Lane into just a stock love interest and the 20 minute sci fi opening battle. Both...
My issue with Man of Steel wasn't what most people complained about. To me it was the absolute butchering of Lois Lane into just a stock love interest and the 20 minute sci fi opening battle. Both felt weak and out of place.
I like Mackey but I was really rooting for Brosnahan to be the new Lois Lane. I actually would like the Hoult/Brosnahan pairing. Though apparently they wanted Hoult for Lex, and he pushed for...
Gunn, according to sources, assembled three actors and three actresses for Superman and Lane, respectively, and on Saturday, the first day of the testing, the actors were seen in predetermined pairs: Nicholas Hoult and Rachel Brosnahan; Tom Brittney and Phoebe Dynevor; and David Corenswet and Emma Mackey. They were given several scenes to film, in which the males were in makeup and wardrobe as Daily Planet reporter Kent while the females were plucky journalist Lane.
Then on Sunday, Hoult, Brittney and Corenswet did another series of screen tests, this time in costume as Superman. Interestingly, only Mackey was brought in that day to portray Lane opposite the actors.
Sources caution that just because Mackey segued into the second day does not mean she is the front-runner for Lane, although it may be hard not to draw that conclusion.
I like Mackey but I was really rooting for Brosnahan to be the new Lois Lane. I actually would like the Hoult/Brosnahan pairing. Though apparently they wanted Hoult for Lex, and he pushed for Superman.
Love Hoult but this movie is probably doomed. If they cast him I'll see it, but I bet they'll use someone I have no interest in. They should have kept Cavill. I don't know what in the world made...
Love Hoult but this movie is probably doomed. If they cast him I'll see it, but I bet they'll use someone I have no interest in. They should have kept Cavill.
I don't know what in the world made them think the Flash/Miller would do well. The decision makers need to be replaced.
They were. That's how we got Gunn and Safran. They haven't done anything (in terms of film/tv) yet. Sure they might a little input on The Flash but that film was basically done before they joined....
The decision makers need to be replaced.
They were. That's how we got Gunn and Safran. They haven't done anything (in terms of film/tv) yet. Sure they might a little input on The Flash but that film was basically done before they joined.
It sounds like Blue Beetle isn't going to do much in terms of long term story (apart from existing), so Gunn may pull those actor into future works.
Aquaman is probably done. Maybe they'll use them in the future but I expect a full Justice League recast.
Superman is the beginning of the new DCU story. Guardians of the Galaxy were unheard of and now is probably the best MCU trilogy. The Suicide Squad saved a failed property. Peacemaker is one of the best live action super hero TV shows. The DC property is in the right hands.
Ok. I didn't know that these were the replacements. It made me so sad to see what the previous leadership did to some of my favorite stories and characters. I've pretty much avoided any media that...
Ok. I didn't know that these were the replacements. It made me so sad to see what the previous leadership did to some of my favorite stories and characters. I've pretty much avoided any media that talks about DC movies for years. The only thing that got through that filter was Cavill being replaced. Maybe it's for the best?
Yeah, the current DCEU has been a mess. We've gotten some good films, a rare few great films and mostly poor films. The new set, under Gunn and Safran, will actually be labeled DCU to help...
Yeah, the current DCEU has been a mess. We've gotten some good films, a rare few great films and mostly poor films.
The new set, under Gunn and Safran, will actually be labeled DCU to help separate the brands.
Where this may get a little tricky is that it's clear that some DCEU characters+actors will continue into the DCU. For example Viola Davis as Amanda Waller will continue; but also her character hasn't had films centered on her. I expect since he wrote her in The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, he'll keep those previous character actions canon, but if he wanted to reset and say "Starro never attacked" that would be fine and we can just say that other Suicide Squad characters did a different mission.
Where this gets difficult is Superman. Superman had an origin movie, he fought Zod, he fought Doomsday, he fought Batman, he died, he fought whatever version of Justice League is canon, etc.
It's difficult to just hand wave away Superman's story. We are going to get some hand waving, we know the Superman we meet works at the Daily Planet with Lois Lane. That doesn't just happen. There are lots of questions that will need to be answered, but that can happen as the new canon sees fit. (As an example, are the Kents alive? Both? DCEU says Martha is alive, but Johnathan lived into Superman's adulthood before dying. Different canon/backstories exist depending on the story being told.)
So, while I'm a fan of Henry Cavill and would love to see him as Superman, his Superman has too much baggage. We need a new one, a fresh start.
Those are a lot of important considerations. I see how keeping particular characters would really restrict the ability to make a fresh start. Never thought of it that way. Thank you :)
Those are a lot of important considerations. I see how keeping particular characters would really restrict the ability to make a fresh start. Never thought of it that way. Thank you :)
I feel like Marvel is sort of losing the vision that made them so wildly popular. Marvel, in my opinion, was at its best when they were making genre films that just happened to have superheroes in...
I feel like Marvel is sort of losing the vision that made them so wildly popular.
Marvel, in my opinion, was at its best when they were making genre films that just happened to have superheroes in them.. Ant-Man was a heist film that happened to have a super hero in it. Winter Soldier was a political intrigue movie that just happened to involve super heroes. Thor 3 was essentially a buddy cop movie that featured super heroes. I also think Marvel is/was at its best when it embraced or highlighted goofiness or zaniness of super heroes (ie Guardians, Dr Strange).
That said, it seems that they are more and more just making "action flicks" with a sub genre of "CGI" (Eternals) or making movies not for their own story but how it can further the current Phase (Quantumania with Kang).
I think DC's mistake was they wanted to jump straight into making an Avengers style movie with an Avengers style box office gross without putting in the time, effort and risk with their versions of Captain America The First Avenger or Thor 1 movies. Where were the Cyborg or Flash movies before Justice League? Personally, it also muddied the waters when DC decided to keep their established TV shows separate from the DCEU movies.
I think there is still a future for GOOD super hero movies. I'll also admit that studio interference is making that harder and harder to create due to all the money that's involved anymore.
I think you're spot on with DC's problems. They saw the success of The Avengers and wanted to jump straight to that. What they didn't understand is that The Avengers worked because it was set up...
I think you're spot on with DC's problems. They saw the success of The Avengers and wanted to jump straight to that. What they didn't understand is that The Avengers worked because it was set up with multiple movies that are each good on their own.
That's not really the point though. If studios are spending budgets on super hero content, they are not spending that money on other things that the commenter might be more interested it.
That's not really the point though. If studios are spending budgets on super hero content, they are not spending that money on other things that the commenter might be more interested it.
There's a veritable wealth of content out there that isn't superheroes. Comic books and their adaptations aren't really my bag either, but I'm not going to sit around complaining about the mere...
There's a veritable wealth of content out there that isn't superheroes.
Comic books and their adaptations aren't really my bag either, but I'm not going to sit around complaining about the mere existence of things that make millions of other people happy while having no material impact on me.
No, but I have friends who used to propose them almost every time we had to decide what to watch. They are in their mid 40s, so to me it's kinda weird. Luckily we have other genres in common!
No, but I have friends who used to propose them almost every time we had to decide what to watch. They are in their mid 40s, so to me it's kinda weird.
Luckily we have other genres in common!
I think Superman is just mostly boring as a Superhero... theres a few good stories and angles but hes a boring character with mostly 1 dimensional villains.
I think Superman is just mostly boring as a Superhero... theres a few good stories and angles but hes a boring character with mostly 1 dimensional villains.
Cavill made such a good Superman…and I actually liked Man of Steel for the most part.
Everyone gave it so much shit for being grimdark (only Batman is allowed?) but do we really need a slew of DCEU movies that are just…more of the Marvel-style superhero genre?
I mean I liked Gunn’s Suicide Squad and reasonably enjoyed Peacemaker but I’m just not really excited for anything else.
(The Batman rules as well, solid 8/10)
I mean... I don't want either. It's not a binary.
I want a Superman film that feels like Superman.
Making a gritty Superman is like making a pg-13 Blade — it's missing out on the strengths of the property.
It doesn't need to be exactly like the comics, but that's just shooting themselves in the foot before they've even started.
My issue with Man of Steel wasn't what most people complained about. To me it was the absolute butchering of Lois Lane into just a stock love interest and the 20 minute sci fi opening battle. Both felt weak and out of place.
I like Mackey but I was really rooting for Brosnahan to be the new Lois Lane. I actually would like the Hoult/Brosnahan pairing. Though apparently they wanted Hoult for Lex, and he pushed for Superman.
Love Hoult but this movie is probably doomed. If they cast him I'll see it, but I bet they'll use someone I have no interest in. They should have kept Cavill.
I don't know what in the world made them think the Flash/Miller would do well. The decision makers need to be replaced.
They were. That's how we got Gunn and Safran. They haven't done anything (in terms of film/tv) yet. Sure they might a little input on The Flash but that film was basically done before they joined.
It sounds like Blue Beetle isn't going to do much in terms of long term story (apart from existing), so Gunn may pull those actor into future works.
Aquaman is probably done. Maybe they'll use them in the future but I expect a full Justice League recast.
Superman is the beginning of the new DCU story. Guardians of the Galaxy were unheard of and now is probably the best MCU trilogy. The Suicide Squad saved a failed property. Peacemaker is one of the best live action super hero TV shows. The DC property is in the right hands.
Ok. I didn't know that these were the replacements. It made me so sad to see what the previous leadership did to some of my favorite stories and characters. I've pretty much avoided any media that talks about DC movies for years. The only thing that got through that filter was Cavill being replaced. Maybe it's for the best?
Yeah, the current DCEU has been a mess. We've gotten some good films, a rare few great films and mostly poor films.
The new set, under Gunn and Safran, will actually be labeled DCU to help separate the brands.
Where this may get a little tricky is that it's clear that some DCEU characters+actors will continue into the DCU. For example Viola Davis as Amanda Waller will continue; but also her character hasn't had films centered on her. I expect since he wrote her in The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, he'll keep those previous character actions canon, but if he wanted to reset and say "Starro never attacked" that would be fine and we can just say that other Suicide Squad characters did a different mission.
Where this gets difficult is Superman. Superman had an origin movie, he fought Zod, he fought Doomsday, he fought Batman, he died, he fought whatever version of Justice League is canon, etc.
It's difficult to just hand wave away Superman's story. We are going to get some hand waving, we know the Superman we meet works at the Daily Planet with Lois Lane. That doesn't just happen. There are lots of questions that will need to be answered, but that can happen as the new canon sees fit. (As an example, are the Kents alive? Both? DCEU says Martha is alive, but Johnathan lived into Superman's adulthood before dying. Different canon/backstories exist depending on the story being told.)
So, while I'm a fan of Henry Cavill and would love to see him as Superman, his Superman has too much baggage. We need a new one, a fresh start.
Those are a lot of important considerations. I see how keeping particular characters would really restrict the ability to make a fresh start. Never thought of it that way. Thank you :)
Isn't that the whole point of this reboot?
Ooooohhh, I didn't realize that.
Unpopular opinion: how about no more superhero movies? Seriously, enough already!
I feel like Marvel is sort of losing the vision that made them so wildly popular.
Marvel, in my opinion, was at its best when they were making genre films that just happened to have superheroes in them.. Ant-Man was a heist film that happened to have a super hero in it. Winter Soldier was a political intrigue movie that just happened to involve super heroes. Thor 3 was essentially a buddy cop movie that featured super heroes. I also think Marvel is/was at its best when it embraced or highlighted goofiness or zaniness of super heroes (ie Guardians, Dr Strange).
That said, it seems that they are more and more just making "action flicks" with a sub genre of "CGI" (Eternals) or making movies not for their own story but how it can further the current Phase (Quantumania with Kang).
I think DC's mistake was they wanted to jump straight into making an Avengers style movie with an Avengers style box office gross without putting in the time, effort and risk with their versions of Captain America The First Avenger or Thor 1 movies. Where were the Cyborg or Flash movies before Justice League? Personally, it also muddied the waters when DC decided to keep their established TV shows separate from the DCEU movies.
I think there is still a future for GOOD super hero movies. I'll also admit that studio interference is making that harder and harder to create due to all the money that's involved anymore.
I think you're spot on with DC's problems. They saw the success of The Avengers and wanted to jump straight to that. What they didn't understand is that The Avengers worked because it was set up with multiple movies that are each good on their own.
Is somebody making you watch them?
That's not really the point though. If studios are spending budgets on super hero content, they are not spending that money on other things that the commenter might be more interested it.
There's a veritable wealth of content out there that isn't superheroes.
Comic books and their adaptations aren't really my bag either, but I'm not going to sit around complaining about the mere existence of things that make millions of other people happy while having no material impact on me.
No, but I have friends who used to propose them almost every time we had to decide what to watch. They are in their mid 40s, so to me it's kinda weird.
Luckily we have other genres in common!
I think Superman is just mostly boring as a Superhero... theres a few good stories and angles but hes a boring character with mostly 1 dimensional villains.
Agreed. The only real threats he faces are Darkseid and Doomsday. Even then, they're not that dangerous anymore.