I'm intrigued by the concept but the execution looks like it might not be my thing. Although, if it's actually funny then I will probably enjoy it anyway. I like my dark, brooding dramas quite a...
I'm intrigued by the concept but the execution looks like it might not be my thing. Although, if it's actually funny then I will probably enjoy it anyway.
I like my dark, brooding dramas quite a bit, so I was hoping this would be a more serious look at what would have happened if the worst possible Y2K scenario had come to pass.
Looks like you'll get CTR-monitors duct-taped to skateboards, lol. Honestly, it looks fun but I wished someone nerdy enough to actually think it through was on the writing team to give it some...
Looks like you'll get CTR-monitors duct-taped to skateboards, lol. Honestly, it looks fun but I wished someone nerdy enough to actually think it through was on the writing team to give it some grounding. There's plenty of apocalyptic fiction you could do with the scenario (banks shutting down and the entire monetary system collapsing, military equipment malfunctioning and accidentally creating a WW3 type scenario, etc).
The sets, costumes, props, hairstyles, even the typography seem authentically late-'90s to me. Not so sure about the soundtrack — Tubthumping seems like a weird choice for an American teen party...
The sets, costumes, props, hairstyles, even the typography seem authentically late-'90s to me. Not so sure about the soundtrack — Tubthumping seems like a weird choice for an American teen party setting. Like @Wolf_359 said, it's not really the sort of Y2K movie I'm really interested in watching, but I had to geek out about the historical verisimilitude a bit. I was surprised to see Alicia Silverstone too. Just pulled up her IMDb and I guess she's been active this whole time but I don't think I've seen her in anything since Blast From The Past. Seems like some appropriate casting there!
Why is this? I've been getting knocked down and getting back up since the late 90s. Tubthumping took the early filesharing my storm, at least it did with my peer group. I probably still have...
Not so sure about the soundtrack — Tubthumping seems like a weird choice for an American teen party setting
Why is this? I've been getting knocked down and getting back up since the late 90s. Tubthumping took the early filesharing my storm, at least it did with my peer group. I probably still have screenshots lying around some old hd of my win95 desktop with that song on the winamp playlist.
That’s fair, I’m not denying it was a popular song. I just expected something more in line with my own memory of what kids were listening to at the time: Green Day, Matchbox 20, Limp Bizkit,...
That’s fair, I’m not denying it was a popular song. I just expected something more in line with my own memory of what kids were listening to at the time: Green Day, Matchbox 20, Limp Bizkit, Eminem, Will Smith, TLC, Jay-Z, Christina Aguilera, and so on. That would vary by region and peer group, of course. It’s just where my nostalgia takes me, personally.
Haven't heard of this before. It is both intriguing and confusing. The concept looks cool, and I would think I would be in the target audience as I was a teenager in 1999. However, it kinda looks...
Haven't heard of this before. It is both intriguing and confusing. The concept looks cool, and I would think I would be in the target audience as I was a teenager in 1999. However, it kinda looks like it is aimed at teenagers today. Which is fine, but then a Y2K theme seems odd. Can't quite wrap my head around it or pinpoint exactly where it feels off, but it doesn't really seem retro enough. Doesn't look like it is set in 1999. It looks like it set in the present. But maybe that is exactly what they are going for, with a sort of retro-futuristic approach.
I thought everything felt authentic to 1999 except the young people. I can't put my finger on why, but I get the same feeling whenever I see teen actors in movies these days. It's sort of an...
I thought everything felt authentic to 1999 except the young people. I can't put my finger on why, but I get the same feeling whenever I see teen actors in movies these days. It's sort of an uncanny valley effect for me. I imagine part of it is just that I'm OLD now and aging has colored the way I look at whippersnappers younger generations. But I think there are some other factors at play, like...
The higher resolution and framerate of modern movies; see also, "soap opera effect".
Contemporary acting styles (I don't know enough about this, but there's something different about the way actors carry themselves and speak their lines onscreen these days).
The writing and dialogue in particular, in this case I don't think anybody said "get crunk" until the mid-2000s, for example. I'm expecting the comedy to feature the "wait what? lol awkward" style of humor that's popular today instead of period-appropriate laughs.
Digital retouching — this one's especially hard to pinpoint but CGI is everywhere now, in the most unobvious places, and though I can't point to a still frame and show where it's used, it's so pervasive that it lends almost every modern movie a weird sheen of artificiality that actual '90s movies never had.
I get a similar feeling. Maybe it has to do with the acting being too "polished" somehow? Like there's a certain bumbly awkwardness I'd expect from a teenager of that era that feels missing (based...
I get a similar feeling. Maybe it has to do with the acting being too "polished" somehow? Like there's a certain bumbly awkwardness I'd expect from a teenager of that era that feels missing (based on the trailer anyway).
I might have been exposed to it earlier than some because of growing up in Georgia, but I checked and Lil John released the album "Get Crunk, Who U Wit: Da Album" in 1997 and Outkast used the word...
I might have been exposed to it earlier than some because of growing up in Georgia, but I checked and Lil John released the album "Get Crunk, Who U Wit: Da Album" in 1997 and Outkast used the word in a song in '96. It was definitely gaining traction in the south in the late 90s, but I don't know how much it had penetrated the rest of the country at that point.
This looks amazingly bad, and I really want to watch it! Scream, Tucker & Dale, Cabin in the woods, all embrace horror clichés with comedic gusto and are all the more brilliant for it. I always...
This looks amazingly bad, and I really want to watch it!
Scream, Tucker & Dale, Cabin in the woods, all embrace horror clichés with comedic gusto and are all the more brilliant for it.
I always worry that previews show all the best punchlines in rapid fire succession, which is always mildly amusing, but ruins the lead up and payoff of actually watching the movie. I stopped watching the preview half way through, but I fear I watched too much already.
The big sequence where the year 2000 hits and everything from a toaster to a Tamagotchi goes homicidal is a chaotic blast, but once the film shifts into a broader comic gear, it never quite finds its heart again.
-Slant Magazine.
(I thought this was a documentary on Y2k, and while I normally run away from all previews, I need to watch previews for documentaries to decide if I should watch them)
Yeah, it's pretty clear it's going for a campy nostalgia vibe. The style of the gags are very in keeping with the 90's, and weaponizing a bunch of 90's tech is angling at that nostalgia similar,...
Yeah, it's pretty clear it's going for a campy nostalgia vibe. The style of the gags are very in keeping with the 90's, and weaponizing a bunch of 90's tech is angling at that nostalgia similar, and less seriously, than hackers did for the 80's tech scene.
I don't know of it's good or not, but I will probably watch it for the nostalgia bits.
As an aside, I can't think about Y2K without thinking back to a programmer I was speaking to who specialized in updating software for Y2K. I asked them what they planned to do after Y2K and they said that they planned to keep doing the same thing for the foreseeable future. I kind of scratched my head but avoided the obvious follow-up. They were a bit slow as programmers go and I suspect they didn't really understand the big picture of the work, just the mechanics. Got to love the 90's where you could get hired as a programmer because you knew how to open the control panel in Windows, lol.
I was a programmer during the 90's, and spent all of two weeks updating mission critical software to be y2k compliant. It wasn't complicated. This was for a mission critical 24x7 application that...
I was a programmer during the 90's, and spent all of two weeks updating mission critical software to be y2k compliant.
It wasn't complicated.
This was for a mission critical 24x7 application that supported 80% of all companies in the fortune 500. So they tested the shit out of it. Didn't find a single bug. But they kept testing it for seven months.
At first, I was rolling my eyes at another dumb straight bro comedy. Then I was smiling at what seemed like a clever, fun apocalypse movie. In the end, it’s still seems to be a dumb straight bro...
At first, I was rolling my eyes at another dumb straight bro comedy. Then I was smiling at what seemed like a clever, fun apocalypse movie. In the end, it’s still seems to be a dumb straight bro comedy and that’s just not for me.
Yeesh? There’s no reason to be offended. “Straight bro comedies” may not be the most PC phrasing, but they’re a real and thoroughly explored genre. Other terms are “raunchy comedy” or “bro...
Yeesh? There’s no reason to be offended.
“Straight bro comedies” may not be the most PC phrasing, but they’re a real and thoroughly explored genre. Other terms are “raunchy comedy” or “bro comedy”. They don’t reflect accurately the nuance and normalness of straight men 16-24, their target demographic, but they do project a lot of idealized fantasies that marketers see in that group (particularly white male suburban straight 16-24 year olds).
I call it a straight bro comedy because gay guys can be bros, but not in contexts where we’re outsiders. When gay men appear in these films, they are punchline stereotypes in a way that feels degrading to me. But much more importantly, the genre just doesn’t resonate with me.
I get it, it's the just the phrasing that's odd. Like, Whoopi got in shit for calling Russia vs. Ukraine "just another white people war". Trump (deservedly) got flack for saying that people...
I get it, it's the just the phrasing that's odd. Like, Whoopi got in shit for calling Russia vs. Ukraine "just another white people war". Trump (deservedly) got flack for saying that people crossing the border were taking "black people jobs".
While this wasn't race related, I yeeshed purely because there are ways of calling a spade a spade without attaching it to a demographic. Call "college movies", "raunchy comedies" or "lowbrow humour" what you will, but I don't think it's helpful.
I’d like to respectfully pose that, in going with your initial reaction of perceiving — justly enough— disrespect or hostility, you are resisting a perspective outside of the norm. The difference...
I’d like to respectfully pose that, in going with your initial reaction of perceiving — justly enough— disrespect or hostility, you are resisting a perspective outside of the norm.
The difference between black people jobs or white people war and straight bro comedies is huge. One is devaluing an oppressed population, one is papering over death and displacement, and one is generalizing an already specific group that is already, or rethe dominant demographic for a lot of media and not subject to violence and significant discrimination.
The other is that I used the phrase for a specific reason; there is a lot of casual homophobia in these films. There’s also the reduction of women to objects of pursuit or otherwise ugliness/slutiness, and the typecast way men themselves are cast. Bro comedy implies that, as a gay guy— im not a bro or can’t enjoy a bro comedy. As im sure you gather from the tenor of our conversation, nothing could be further from the truth.
They’re low brow comedies, I get that. I like low brow comedy! This genre, though, too often insults me for being gay. So I’m not a fan.
It’s not an easy genre to find gay characters treated as normal, but there are some or some in adjacent genres. If you’re familiar with Broken Hearts Club, Booksmart, Neigbors 2, or Keanu, or The ToDo List, you can appreciate what I mean maybe.
Good position paper, and frankly, I don't disagree that many of those things exist in these movies. So many of them are poop on screen for teenagers looking for cheap laughs, and yes, they were...
Good position paper, and frankly, I don't disagree that many of those things exist in these movies. So many of them are poop on screen for teenagers looking for cheap laughs, and yes, they were extra terrible back then.
That said, it's the little jab that's behind a statement like that -- the kind that serves to instigate fights or reinforce stereotypes -- that help no one. It's the kind of vindication that self-assured 'right side of history' types throw around to provoke rather than acknowledging that the obvious thing to do is nothing at all.
Spite begets spite. Be nice. Be kind.
**Edit - I want to qualify my answer a little. I completely empathize with how shitty these movies must have been for gay people - especially gay men growing up. They and the ready of Hollywood were not kind for a good long time. That said, I hope that you understand my position that if we're going to move past stereotyping behavior, it has to stop full circle.
So, I want to thank you for engaging respectfully, and I do appreciate the sentiment of advocating for respectful dialogue. I have to say, though, I’m disappointed in your response. Your...
Exemplary
“Tone policing is when someone (usually a privileged person) in a conversation about oppression shifts the conversation from the oppression being discussed to the way it is being discussed. Tone policing prioritizes the comfort of the privileged person in the situation over the oppression of the disadvantaged person.”
So, I want to thank you for engaging respectfully, and I do appreciate the sentiment of advocating for respectful dialogue. I have to say, though, I’m disappointed in your response.
Your discomfort with “straight bro comedy” as a term became the focus. When I explained the much more problematic decades (and continuing, not merely in the past) marginalization and mockery of gay people, you continue to advocate for not offending you with a “little jab.”
The irony here. It might make you uncomfortable, but it is calling out a real normalization of making fun of and mistreating gay people. That is what should make a decent person uncomfortable.
When you say “spite begets spite” and call for “nice and patient”, it’s kind of suggesting that as a gay guy, if I don’t choose my words carefully and craft them for straight sensitivities, I risk further marginalization and malice against gay people. Like it’s my responsibility, but not yours to really reflect. You’ve got the power dynamics on your side; basically it’s a “you can ask us to respect you, but if you do it disrespectfully, get ready.” This isn’t about the right side of history, and I wasn’t reveling or being spiteful in my defining of the genre— I was labeling it to accurately reflect its behavior.
“When tone police tell people that they can’t or won’t listen because of tone, what they are really communicating is, “I don’t care about your experience with oppression or how it makes you feel. I only care about how it is discomforting for me to hear about it.”
I don't think that you want to thank me for engaging respectfully. If that was the case, you'd in-turn be respectful by exploring the point that I'm making that words matter. "Yeeesh" was a...
I don't think that you want to thank me for engaging respectfully. If that was the case, you'd in-turn be respectful by exploring the point that I'm making that words matter. "Yeeesh" was a playful nudge. If I heard somebody classify a Queer As Folk, a Greg Araki film, the Birdcage as "gay guy movies", I'd find it to be in poor taste and offensive as a queer person myself.
"Straight Guy Movies" - especially when linked with trashy films like you listed is also in poor taste. The history is what it is -- gay people (like many others in those movies) have been the subject of unfair and nasty ridicule. Is it that they're mean, heartless movies that makes them for straight guys? You have plenty of other, more accurate words to select from to describe these. Why choose to make it about somebody's sexual orientation?
My problem is not with the meaning behind what you said, it's with the words chosen. I don't disagree with your reason for saying it. Slights are slights no matter the historical context, and frankly, (again, speaking as a queer person) I find it to be in extremely poor taste when people who I have a shared history with trod out the long oppression narrative to justify using bigoted labels.
I'd like for people of different walks of life to get along. When labels, loaded language and stereotypes are thrown around, it accomplishes none of that.
Sorry, you keep trying to put things in the past when they still happen in the present. I have been respectful to you and thank you for being respectful to me. I did engage with your playful...
Sorry, you keep trying to put things in the past when they still happen in the present. I have been respectful to you and thank you for being respectful to me.
I did engage with your playful nudge. I explained the accepted genre of Bro comedy, why I would not call it that because to do so would imply that gay people are not bros.
Then brought it back to the substance of my point, which was the casual homophobia ever present in these films. Then you continued to ignore that, except to minimize the issue and suggest it’s in the past, to talk about tone and being nice. And now I’m done done with it.
why choose to make it about sexual orientation? Maybe, as a queer person, you or a friend of yours might be able to understand or explain how rampant homophobia in youth oriented comedies affected and affects the lives of gay men. Straight bro comedies suck.
Well, we're probably both at the point where we're done with not being understood here. I feel like my point was repeatedly about a flippant choice of words for a genre (one that I've never heard...
Well, we're probably both at the point where we're done with not being understood here.
I feel like my point was repeatedly about a flippant choice of words for a genre (one that I've never heard called what you called it) that you don't acknowledge might be hurtful to that specific group.
Misunderstandings suck. You seem to understand my responses to your answers as disregard for the casual, everyday homophobia of the 90s and (somehow) an attempt to 'tone police' your behavior rather than a nudge to spread respect over stereotypes.
Tildes is a place to unpack large and small issues and frankly, if we were to start again, I bet we'd land in a similar spot. That said, I don't think it's worth wasting any more time. We're obviously not making progress.
Regardless of how good this is, it'd be interesting if it kicks off a trend of movies and shows set in this era. I wouldn't mind that personally, so long as they're reasonably accurate.
Regardless of how good this is, it'd be interesting if it kicks off a trend of movies and shows set in this era. I wouldn't mind that personally, so long as they're reasonably accurate.
Jonah Hill is one of the producers, but despite that I think this will be nothing of the caliber of Superbad. It looks focused on the bespoke horror plot rather than the universal relationship...
Jonah Hill is one of the producers, but despite that I think this will be nothing of the caliber of Superbad. It looks focused on the bespoke horror plot rather than the universal relationship drama that made Superbad great.
It also has Kyle Mooney involved as a producer, and as much as I want to like his humor, it just doesn’t capture wide appeal.
It truly feels like a movie that ChatGPT threw together based off of a few inputs and while enough to fool an out-of-touch rich guy to find it, I doubt it will actually attract a genuine audience.
It’s a horror movie right before Christmas, for “Christ’s” sakes! October is when you release good horror movies. December is when you clean house to take the loss on your financial reporting.
I'm intrigued by the concept but the execution looks like it might not be my thing. Although, if it's actually funny then I will probably enjoy it anyway.
I like my dark, brooding dramas quite a bit, so I was hoping this would be a more serious look at what would have happened if the worst possible Y2K scenario had come to pass.
Looks like you'll get CTR-monitors duct-taped to skateboards, lol. Honestly, it looks fun but I wished someone nerdy enough to actually think it through was on the writing team to give it some grounding. There's plenty of apocalyptic fiction you could do with the scenario (banks shutting down and the entire monetary system collapsing, military equipment malfunctioning and accidentally creating a WW3 type scenario, etc).
The sets, costumes, props, hairstyles, even the typography seem authentically late-'90s to me. Not so sure about the soundtrack — Tubthumping seems like a weird choice for an American teen party setting. Like @Wolf_359 said, it's not really the sort of Y2K movie I'm really interested in watching, but I had to geek out about the historical verisimilitude a bit. I was surprised to see Alicia Silverstone too. Just pulled up her IMDb and I guess she's been active this whole time but I don't think I've seen her in anything since Blast From The Past. Seems like some appropriate casting there!
Why is this? I've been getting knocked down and getting back up since the late 90s. Tubthumping took the early filesharing my storm, at least it did with my peer group. I probably still have screenshots lying around some old hd of my win95 desktop with that song on the winamp playlist.
What? Around that time, that song was the bomb, I saw it over and over on MTV.
That’s fair, I’m not denying it was a popular song. I just expected something more in line with my own memory of what kids were listening to at the time: Green Day, Matchbox 20, Limp Bizkit, Eminem, Will Smith, TLC, Jay-Z, Christina Aguilera, and so on. That would vary by region and peer group, of course. It’s just where my nostalgia takes me, personally.
Very good alternatives indeed :-)
I think its just supposed to set the vibe for a goofy adventure-comedy, I don't think they are going for cultural accuracy.
Haven't heard of this before. It is both intriguing and confusing. The concept looks cool, and I would think I would be in the target audience as I was a teenager in 1999. However, it kinda looks like it is aimed at teenagers today. Which is fine, but then a Y2K theme seems odd. Can't quite wrap my head around it or pinpoint exactly where it feels off, but it doesn't really seem retro enough. Doesn't look like it is set in 1999. It looks like it set in the present. But maybe that is exactly what they are going for, with a sort of retro-futuristic approach.
I thought everything felt authentic to 1999 except the young people. I can't put my finger on why, but I get the same feeling whenever I see teen actors in movies these days. It's sort of an uncanny valley effect for me. I imagine part of it is just that I'm OLD now and aging has colored the way I look at
whippersnappersyounger generations. But I think there are some other factors at play, like...I get a similar feeling. Maybe it has to do with the acting being too "polished" somehow? Like there's a certain bumbly awkwardness I'd expect from a teenager of that era that feels missing (based on the trailer anyway).
I might have been exposed to it earlier than some because of growing up in Georgia, but I checked and Lil John released the album "Get Crunk, Who U Wit: Da Album" in 1997 and Outkast used the word in a song in '96. It was definitely gaining traction in the south in the late 90s, but I don't know how much it had penetrated the rest of the country at that point.
"Y2K" fashion is very much a thing right now, so the theme makes a lot of sense for trying to capture a younger audience.
This looks amazingly bad, and I really want to watch it!
Scream, Tucker & Dale, Cabin in the woods, all embrace horror clichés with comedic gusto and are all the more brilliant for it.
I always worry that previews show all the best punchlines in rapid fire succession, which is always mildly amusing, but ruins the lead up and payoff of actually watching the movie. I stopped watching the preview half way through, but I fear I watched too much already.
-Slant Magazine.
(I thought this was a documentary on Y2k, and while I normally run away from all previews, I need to watch previews for documentaries to decide if I should watch them)
Yeah, it's pretty clear it's going for a campy nostalgia vibe. The style of the gags are very in keeping with the 90's, and weaponizing a bunch of 90's tech is angling at that nostalgia similar, and less seriously, than hackers did for the 80's tech scene.
I don't know of it's good or not, but I will probably watch it for the nostalgia bits.
As an aside, I can't think about Y2K without thinking back to a programmer I was speaking to who specialized in updating software for Y2K. I asked them what they planned to do after Y2K and they said that they planned to keep doing the same thing for the foreseeable future. I kind of scratched my head but avoided the obvious follow-up. They were a bit slow as programmers go and I suspect they didn't really understand the big picture of the work, just the mechanics. Got to love the 90's where you could get hired as a programmer because you knew how to open the control panel in Windows, lol.
I was a programmer during the 90's, and spent all of two weeks updating mission critical software to be y2k compliant.
It wasn't complicated.
This was for a mission critical 24x7 application that supported 80% of all companies in the fortune 500. So they tested the shit out of it. Didn't find a single bug. But they kept testing it for seven months.
At first, I was rolling my eyes at another dumb straight bro comedy. Then I was smiling at what seemed like a clever, fun apocalypse movie. In the end, it’s still seems to be a dumb straight bro comedy and that’s just not for me.
"straight bro comedy". Yeeesh
Yeesh? There’s no reason to be offended.
“Straight bro comedies” may not be the most PC phrasing, but they’re a real and thoroughly explored genre. Other terms are “raunchy comedy” or “bro comedy”. They don’t reflect accurately the nuance and normalness of straight men 16-24, their target demographic, but they do project a lot of idealized fantasies that marketers see in that group (particularly white male suburban straight 16-24 year olds).
I call it a straight bro comedy because gay guys can be bros, but not in contexts where we’re outsiders. When gay men appear in these films, they are punchline stereotypes in a way that feels degrading to me. But much more importantly, the genre just doesn’t resonate with me.
Here’s an IMDb thread on the genre: https://m.imdb.com/list/ls523831840/
Here’s a Reddit thread on the genre: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/jMSm9w2tEZ
Here’s a list of some:
As a straight white bro I must say that's a solid list of films. Some didn't age well but that's life.
I get it, it's the just the phrasing that's odd. Like, Whoopi got in shit for calling Russia vs. Ukraine "just another white people war". Trump (deservedly) got flack for saying that people crossing the border were taking "black people jobs".
While this wasn't race related, I yeeshed purely because there are ways of calling a spade a spade without attaching it to a demographic. Call "college movies", "raunchy comedies" or "lowbrow humour" what you will, but I don't think it's helpful.
I’d like to respectfully pose that, in going with your initial reaction of perceiving — justly enough— disrespect or hostility, you are resisting a perspective outside of the norm.
The difference between black people jobs or white people war and straight bro comedies is huge. One is devaluing an oppressed population, one is papering over death and displacement, and one is generalizing an already specific group that is already, or rethe dominant demographic for a lot of media and not subject to violence and significant discrimination.
The other is that I used the phrase for a specific reason; there is a lot of casual homophobia in these films. There’s also the reduction of women to objects of pursuit or otherwise ugliness/slutiness, and the typecast way men themselves are cast. Bro comedy implies that, as a gay guy— im not a bro or can’t enjoy a bro comedy. As im sure you gather from the tenor of our conversation, nothing could be further from the truth.
They’re low brow comedies, I get that. I like low brow comedy! This genre, though, too often insults me for being gay. So I’m not a fan.
It’s not an easy genre to find gay characters treated as normal, but there are some or some in adjacent genres. If you’re familiar with Broken Hearts Club, Booksmart, Neigbors 2, or Keanu, or The ToDo List, you can appreciate what I mean maybe.
Good position paper, and frankly, I don't disagree that many of those things exist in these movies. So many of them are poop on screen for teenagers looking for cheap laughs, and yes, they were extra terrible back then.
That said, it's the little jab that's behind a statement like that -- the kind that serves to instigate fights or reinforce stereotypes -- that help no one. It's the kind of vindication that self-assured 'right side of history' types throw around to provoke rather than acknowledging that the obvious thing to do is nothing at all.
Spite begets spite. Be nice. Be kind.
**Edit - I want to qualify my answer a little. I completely empathize with how shitty these movies must have been for gay people - especially gay men growing up. They and the ready of Hollywood were not kind for a good long time. That said, I hope that you understand my position that if we're going to move past stereotyping behavior, it has to stop full circle.
So, I want to thank you for engaging respectfully, and I do appreciate the sentiment of advocating for respectful dialogue. I have to say, though, I’m disappointed in your response.
Your discomfort with “straight bro comedy” as a term became the focus. When I explained the much more problematic decades (and continuing, not merely in the past) marginalization and mockery of gay people, you continue to advocate for not offending you with a “little jab.”
The irony here. It might make you uncomfortable, but it is calling out a real normalization of making fun of and mistreating gay people. That is what should make a decent person uncomfortable.
When you say “spite begets spite” and call for “nice and patient”, it’s kind of suggesting that as a gay guy, if I don’t choose my words carefully and craft them for straight sensitivities, I risk further marginalization and malice against gay people. Like it’s my responsibility, but not yours to really reflect. You’ve got the power dynamics on your side; basically it’s a “you can ask us to respect you, but if you do it disrespectfully, get ready.” This isn’t about the right side of history, and I wasn’t reveling or being spiteful in my defining of the genre— I was labeling it to accurately reflect its behavior.
On tone policing: https://medium.com/@chanda/what-s-the-harm-in-tone-policing-e933d90af247 and https://blog.apaonline.org/2022/05/10/tone-policing-and-the-assertion-of-authority/
They ain’t wrong.
I don't think that you want to thank me for engaging respectfully. If that was the case, you'd in-turn be respectful by exploring the point that I'm making that words matter. "Yeeesh" was a playful nudge. If I heard somebody classify a Queer As Folk, a Greg Araki film, the Birdcage as "gay guy movies", I'd find it to be in poor taste and offensive as a queer person myself.
"Straight Guy Movies" - especially when linked with trashy films like you listed is also in poor taste. The history is what it is -- gay people (like many others in those movies) have been the subject of unfair and nasty ridicule. Is it that they're mean, heartless movies that makes them for straight guys? You have plenty of other, more accurate words to select from to describe these. Why choose to make it about somebody's sexual orientation?
My problem is not with the meaning behind what you said, it's with the words chosen. I don't disagree with your reason for saying it. Slights are slights no matter the historical context, and frankly, (again, speaking as a queer person) I find it to be in extremely poor taste when people who I have a shared history with trod out the long oppression narrative to justify using bigoted labels.
I'd like for people of different walks of life to get along. When labels, loaded language and stereotypes are thrown around, it accomplishes none of that.
Sorry, you keep trying to put things in the past when they still happen in the present. I have been respectful to you and thank you for being respectful to me.
I did engage with your playful nudge. I explained the accepted genre of Bro comedy, why I would not call it that because to do so would imply that gay people are not bros.
Then brought it back to the substance of my point, which was the casual homophobia ever present in these films. Then you continued to ignore that, except to minimize the issue and suggest it’s in the past, to talk about tone and being nice. And now I’m done done with it.
why choose to make it about sexual orientation? Maybe, as a queer person, you or a friend of yours might be able to understand or explain how rampant homophobia in youth oriented comedies affected and affects the lives of gay men. Straight bro comedies suck.
Well, we're probably both at the point where we're done with not being understood here.
I feel like my point was repeatedly about a flippant choice of words for a genre (one that I've never heard called what you called it) that you don't acknowledge might be hurtful to that specific group.
Misunderstandings suck. You seem to understand my responses to your answers as disregard for the casual, everyday homophobia of the 90s and (somehow) an attempt to 'tone police' your behavior rather than a nudge to spread respect over stereotypes.
Tildes is a place to unpack large and small issues and frankly, if we were to start again, I bet we'd land in a similar spot. That said, I don't think it's worth wasting any more time. We're obviously not making progress.
Regardless of how good this is, it'd be interesting if it kicks off a trend of movies and shows set in this era. I wouldn't mind that personally, so long as they're reasonably accurate.
Superbad called, they want their Superbad back
Jonah Hill is one of the producers, but despite that I think this will be nothing of the caliber of Superbad. It looks focused on the bespoke horror plot rather than the universal relationship drama that made Superbad great.
It also has Kyle Mooney involved as a producer, and as much as I want to like his humor, it just doesn’t capture wide appeal.
It truly feels like a movie that ChatGPT threw together based off of a few inputs and while enough to fool an out-of-touch rich guy to find it, I doubt it will actually attract a genuine audience.
It’s a horror movie right before Christmas, for “Christ’s” sakes! October is when you release good horror movies. December is when you clean house to take the loss on your financial reporting.